<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "IG or SM?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net IG or SM? IG or SM? Based on what I know, they are both good starter armies. I can't choose them based on looks, because I think both look awesome. I can't choose them based on strategy either, because I like how both play (massed troops and awesome armor for the former, elite infantry for the latter). And because of these reasons, I can not choose an army. Are there any reasons why I should take one over the other?

Thanks for your input. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777064.page GMT Re:IG or SM? IG for two reasons.
The first is I want an army with which I would be able to send wave after wave of my own men at the enemy
The second is with IG, if a foot list doesn't work (or most other lists for that matter) you can mech up and go from there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777079.page GMT IG or SM? IG because i play both and it does kind of suck when you go places and there is always a space marine play other then yourself. The IG, like BB Lucifer said it does give you some options and isnt it nice to send 142 men in a single troop choice. It brings an army out not many take and it is fun to play IG so long story short start IG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777135.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
The ONLY downside is the physical cost of the army.

And moving 150 models if you play foot guard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777148.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2777739.page GMT IG or SM? IG then. Thanks guys!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2778092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2778092.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
Still interested? Then fall in trooper! We'll make a guardsman of you yet!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2783000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2783000.page GMT IG or SM?
Marines are an army that has very few specialized units, which means you're always spending too much for whatever you're trying to accomplish, while always wasting some part of your units' capabilities. It's an inefficient army, which is bad for beginners.

Furthermore, SM as a whole is a shooty army. Not only are shooty armies less good in 5th ed than they were in 4th, but SM is a pretty cruddy shooty army by shooty army standards.

Finally, there are a LOT of marine players out there. This means that everybody that you're going to be playing against likely has a fair amount of practice against marines, and likely has stuff in their list built specifically to counter some of your units (because the odds of them running into marines at some point are high).

Marines can be played competitively, but it's really tough, and along the way you're going to face off against people who have had experience trashing your kind of army.

Not a good starter at all.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784341.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
Will20017]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784811.page GMT IG or SM? Id say Guard

mainly because they are so much more fun.

Marines are ok..but you dont get many for your points, they cost alot money wise to (because of their popularity) and...well who wouldnt want guard with loads of expendable troops and guns and TANKS!!!

did I mention lots of TANKS!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784820.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784820.page GMT Re:IG or SM?

Do spess mahreens get the cool WW2 army? No? Nuff said ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2784977.page GMT IG or SM?
I don't think IG are a very good starter army. As a COMPETITIVE army, they are very, very good, but as a starter army they lack certain qualities that Marines have.

Flexibility - IG are highly specialised, whilst Marines can do a little bit of everything. In competitive play specialisation (for the most part) reigns supreme but again, if you're just starting out Marines give you the capability to do a little bit of shooting and a little bit of assault and generally allows you to get a stronger grasp of the game mechanics because of this.

Survivability - IG die in droves. You will be scooping models off the table pretty much from the opening salvo. Marines have the statline and the armour to allow them to emerge (comparatively) unscathed from most firefights. Again, as a beginner this is a good thing as your guys don't die as fast so you get more play-time out of them and so learn quicker.

Forgiving - Following on from the above, the inherent toughness and armour of the Marines allows players to make a few mistakes throughout the course of the game and still pull out a close-fought win/draw. As a beginner you *will* make mistakes, why choose an army that punishes you more because of this when you don't really know any better?

Expense - Marines are relatively inexpensive compared to IG. You'll be dropping a TON of money on infantry and tanks when compared to how 'cheap' Marine kits are; again an important thing to note when starting out.

Painting - Marines are easier to paint (this is entirely subjective based upon your skills as a modeller).

Essentially, if you were asking which army would be the best competitively, I think for once, practically the whole board would agree on IG. However, you are asking which would be best army to start with and on that basis I just Marines are the better choice here.

L. Wrex]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785386.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
Space marines are a more suitible army for beginers but many people get bored of them rather quickly. Guards possibilities are almost endless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785488.page GMT IG or SM?
What's the best way to decide? Play both armies. Find a FLGS and see if you can either:

1. Have an IG/SM player show you how the army works or see if they even let you play with their army.

2. Watch a game with both armies fighting each other.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785589.page GMT IG or SM? IG. What I just wish is that there were easier ways to make an army of Valhallans. But they cost more, and have less. I would like to see an improvement in that area. Although I could just use the models, but that is still $10 more then the Cadian squads.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785711.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
If you want it to be unique, grab some heads from Pig Iron or West Wind Miniatures (Separate Head System: World War II) and kitbash those with the Great Coats. Voila: Space Russkies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785914.page GMT Re:IG or SM? SM army you really love the look of, or the same for IG, no shame in going for the pretty!

Also, among the guys I play with one has Dark Angels, one Blood Angels, so we've got a lot of neat special SM codex armies to play with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785923.page GMT IG or SM? IG are a very good starting army.

You do need to learn when to sacrifice and when to stay safe, but that's something dependent upon you. Do you use the ratlings with their +1 to cover saves to draw fire, or do you put them elsewhere to take out other units? sure my ratlings got slaughtered in CC with some terminators, but my opponent had to waste a deep strike unit to do so.

IG can handle hordes and they can handle specialist squads, and they boast the longest ranged weapons for a vehicle.

SM are fine and dandy as well, but there's the difference between the two armies; SM stay alive and IG sacrifice. If you want to play SM you want to keep them alive, but if you play IG you are willing to let some go for the overall battle. Look at Chenkov for example, that reusable conscript squad is a good tank shield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2785977.page GMT IG or SM? SM and it was the worst mistake i have ever make

The down sides of playing SM

(1) Half the time you will be playing against the same army.

(2) because a lot of people play SM every one else knows how to bet them

(3)They are an elite army. so they are harder IMO to start with

(4) SM army do not have the best resale value (At least at my FLGS)

The good things about a SM army

(1) most people can give you good advise about playing SM

(2) SM will be cheaper in the long run



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2786063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2786063.page GMT Re:IG or SM? http://advancedtautactica.com/ I was able to know them inside and out - my first two 1500 pt games ended up being a draw vs. BA and a win vs. Eldar. So do your homework and you can use any army to good effect right out of the starting gate.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787431.page GMT IG or SM? IG are a great army to play, but they are a bad starter army.

1) They cost a lot more money than meq.

2) More models to paint, and more difficult to paint.

3) less newbie friendly with more complex tactics.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787469.page GMT IG or SM? IG, but its not a starter army. Its very expensive and can’t really bridge into a different army if you find out you don’t like the play style.

IG IS a far more competitive codex. It has a bit more of a learning curve then SM.

SM models can be used for more then one codex, so you can switch to SW/BA with out completely starting over. And as both of these codex are competitive in there own right. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2787725.page GMT IG or SM?
SM have units that are always mixed, and thus more confusing for how they should be used, and they are so expensive pointswise that it's rather unlikely that they'll have backups, meaning the loss of any one unit is going to hurt your strategy that much more.

Although it is true that SM armies take a lot less time and energy to go from boxes of sprue to tabletop.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2788336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2788336.page GMT IG or SM? SM.
IG little difficult army to start, it takes lots of money and you need years of experience to rise them to level, that is needed to tournaments. (This doesnt matter so much, playing is for fun, not to win!)
SM is simple strong and very versatile. Its also cheaper to start than IG and is not vunereable to assault and/or horde armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2788391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2788391.page GMT IG or SM? ig. ig is very different from space marines.

PLUS if you switch to ig after playing marines, you'll know all the tricks of how to kill marines with ig, or how to win against marine equivalents.

everything in guard is weak by itself. guard is a horde army more than anything. hordes of tanks, infantry, etc. it is much easier to coordinate a small group of superstars than a hundred grunts. ask any real life military commander.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789038.page GMT IG or SM?
Ailaros wrote:I'm surprised that people are saying that the guard is more difficult to use. Every unit is a specialist, so you always know what each unit should be doing (this vet squad has 3x melta, so I should go attack a tank, etc.), and they're so cheap that you're always bringing at least two of anything, meaning that they're much more forgiving (oh, yeah? Let's see you take out these OTHER three power blobs!).

SM have units that are always mixed, and thus more confusing for how they should be used, and they are so expensive pointswise that it's rather unlikely that they'll have backups, meaning the loss of any one unit is going to hurt your strategy that much more.

Although it is true that SM armies take a lot less time and energy to go from boxes of sprue to tabletop.


You're approaching this topic from a competitive standpoint - not a beginners. How many brand-new players have access to 3 x meltaguns? (which don't come in any of the boxes bar the CCS ones) How many new players can afford to run three/four power blobs? Marines are simplified, streamlined, perform acceptably at every phase in the game, and are the most 'complete' army directly out of the box. Again competitive =/= beginner friendly, it just means competitive.

L. Wrex

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789045.page GMT IG or SM? SM. I love my IG army, but when it comes to forgivability, SM's are where it is at.

The SM's save, and also the 'non-specialization' is a huge boon. The save allows you to take risks and make mistakes and not lose a game for it, and the 'non-specialization' means redundancy. Something that every player needs, but with SM's it comes built in.

IG can be your dream army, but $$ and the safety of SM's allow you to progress faster. SM's are popular for a reason.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789080.page GMT IG or SM? SM.






Or better yet, join the Tau Empire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2789332.page GMT IG or SM?
Lycaeus Wrex wrote:
Ailaros wrote:I'm surprised that people are saying that the guard is more difficult to use. Every unit is a specialist, so you always know what each unit should be doing (this vet squad has 3x melta, so I should go attack a tank, etc.), and they're so cheap that you're always bringing at least two of anything, meaning that they're much more forgiving (oh, yeah? Let's see you take out these OTHER three power blobs!).

SM have units that are always mixed, and thus more confusing for how they should be used, and they are so expensive pointswise that it's rather unlikely that they'll have backups, meaning the loss of any one unit is going to hurt your strategy that much more.

Although it is true that SM armies take a lot less time and energy to go from boxes of sprue to tabletop.


You're approaching this topic from a competitive standpoint - not a beginners. How many brand-new players have access to 3 x meltaguns? (which don't come in any of the boxes bar the CCS ones) How many new players can afford to run three/four power blobs? Marines are simplified, streamlined, perform acceptably at every phase in the game, and are the most 'complete' army directly out of the box. Again competitive =/= beginner friendly, it just means competitive.

L. Wrex



When a player masters an army using the army seems effortless, which often makes veteran players terrible newbie teachers. There a a lot of little tricks that go into playing ig that guys like Aliros don't even process on a concious level anymore, thus they have become standard operating procedure.

Newbies often have poor target priority, poor deployments, and poor objective planning. Ig is a top tier codex, but that alone doesn't make it good for newbies.

The other good reason sm is a good newbie army is most people play sm so a newbie can learn more by loosing sm on sm fights rather than getting crushed by a very different army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790459.page GMT IG or SM?
Units that don't have a clear role are confusing. Marines have lots of units without good, clear roles. Guard have lots of units with units that are very straightforward. I'd assume that new players would want things that were less confusing. Likewise, I'd assume that new players would want to be able to make a mistake that sees them lose a unit, but have that be okay, because they have backups. Being more forgiving sounds like a better thing for new players.

New players may have serious problems, but it seems to me that a guard army helps with things like how to deploy or target units. New players will make mistakes, but it seems to me that it's easier to make mistakes with marines, and that they are less forgiving of mistakes. This would help newer players to be more competitive early on. I'm not talking about uber-players, but playing an army that sees you get whomped a lot early on doesn't seem to be a good starter army to me. That you have more players to give you advice seems to be offset by how much advice there is out there for how to beat marines.

Really, it's just the hobby aspect that is so pro-marines. It's cheaper and faster. How much of a consolation that will be when a new player whips out an army that's nothing but tac squads with missile launchers and flamers and gets destroyed over and over.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790627.page GMT IG or SM?
A lot of people disagree and claim marines are forgiving while IG are not. Me? I can't think of anything more forgiving than plopping 10+ AV12 vehicles onto the table.

I do agree about all the amazing builds out there, in fact, I would say that the tweaking of your list is where the experience comes in with building guard. Are Vendettas an auto-include in a competitive guard army? Many say yes, I do not. It depends on your build. I can think of effective armies where sentinels are a better choice, or Devil Dogs. You just have to make sure you cover all your bases if your goal is to make an all-comers army.

I will say something else about all the builds though: no matter which one you pick, opponents will declare it as cheesy ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790667.page GMT Re:IG or SM?
Great Marine starter army with great options when you decide to expand.

IG is a fantastic army but requires alot trial and error to get down. When played with the right list they are fantastic no doubt. But for a starter, I would stick with the simplicity of Space Wolves. They are a very competitive army if you ever decide to go all in with em. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790697.page GMT IG or SM?
Lycaeus Wrex wrote:You're approaching this topic from a competitive standpoint - not a beginners. How many brand-new players have access to 3 x meltaguns? (which don't come in any of the boxes bar the CCS ones) How many new players can afford to run three/four power blobs?

I've seen lots of a hundred Guard infantry sell for the cost of two boxes of Marines, complete with special weapons and whatnot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2790767.page GMT Re:IG or SM? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2791037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2791037.page GMT IG or SM?
Ailaros wrote:Well, hey, I thought I was giving real reasons here, not some godlike message from on high.

Units that don't have a clear role are confusing.


Confusing? Or versatile? Just because a unit is a jack-of-all trades doesn't make it confusing to use, it just means that it can do a little bit of everything. I wouldn't have thought that new players would want to, or be advised to, ignore whole phases of the game due to the strengths/weaknesses of their chosen army.

Ailaros wrote:Marines have lots of units without good, clear roles. I'd assume that new players would want things that were less confusing. Likewise, I'd assume that new players would want to be able to make a mistake that sees them lose a unit, but have that be okay, because they have backups. Being more forgiving sounds like a better thing for new players.


I disagree completely about Marine units lacking roles; it all depends on how you equip them. ML, flamer, and combi-flamer is one of the cheapest set-ups and, when combat squad-ed, can be used to fight armour and infantry simultaneously from ranged, whilst still being able to dish out and take a few knocks in the assault. A forgiving army doesn't revolve around shrugging whenever a unit gets wiped and saying 'Oh well, I have another' that's being sacrificial. It's being able to weather the storm brought about by your mistake and then rectifying it with the survivors, something which the statline/armour of a Marine allows whereas IG do not.

Ailaros wrote:New players may have serious problems, but it seems to me that a guard army helps with things like how to deploy or target units. New players will make mistakes, but it seems to me that it's easier to make mistakes with marines, and that they are less forgiving of mistakes.


Every army helps players deploy and target units. IG are no different from Tyranids, Eldar or Orks in that respect. I agree that new players will make mistakes, but is it worse to lose 3-4 Marines because of an error, or a squad or two of IG?

Anyway, I think this whole arguement is moot, as the OP has decided to go with IG and I therefore wish them the best of luck! They really are a fun army to play just not, in this humble poster's opinion, the easiest to get started with.

L. Wrex]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2791873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2791873.page GMT IG or SM?
Ailaros wrote:Well, hey, I thought I was giving real reasons here, not some godlike message from on high.

Units that don't have a clear role are confusing. Marines have lots of units without good, clear roles. Guard have lots of units with units that are very straightforward. I'd assume that new players would want things that were less confusing. Likewise, I'd assume that new players would want to be able to make a mistake that sees them lose a unit, but have that be okay, because they have backups. Being more forgiving sounds like a better thing for new players.

New players may have serious problems, but it seems to me that a guard army helps with things like how to deploy or target units. New players will make mistakes, but it seems to me that it's easier to make mistakes with marines, and that they are less forgiving of mistakes. This would help newer players to be more competitive early on. I'm not talking about uber-players, but playing an army that sees you get whomped a lot early on doesn't seem to be a good starter army to me. That you have more players to give you advice seems to be offset by how much advice there is out there for how to beat marines.

Really, it's just the hobby aspect that is so pro-marines. It's cheaper and faster. How much of a consolation that will be when a new player whips out an army that's nothing but tac squads with missile launchers and flamers and gets destroyed over and over.



...Or you could play Tau. Everything has a VERY defined role.

FW=fill out FoC, distract enemy

Kroot=tarpit

Battlesuits=Doing all the REAL work.

Nothing else is actually any good with Tau though...either way, XV8s are awesome. They are basically jump infantry dreadnoughts that suck in melee that you can squeeze a dozen into your FoC. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2793956.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2793956.page GMT IG or SM? IG. They just appeal to my play style more then the SM or the Tau, not that there is anything wrong with either. I have two friends that are starting to play both. The main reason for the decision is because I like having very clear, defined roles for squads. This also goes with the IG fluff, where every Guardsmen supports his fellow brothers in arms. Not to mention the commands, which I guess I will find out whether or not they will be effective. I also think the look of the army is really cool: massive tides of infantry supported by massive amounts of transports, tanks, artillery, and more. And are the Kasrkin (or Storm Troopers, which ever floats your boat) really as bad as I have heard?

On a side note, there is probably no good way to make a Valhallans army, is there? That is the kind of army that I would want to make an army out of. Unfortunetely, I get less stuff (compared to the Cadian and Catachan squads) for $10 more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2794555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2794555.page GMT IG or SM?
forruner_mercy wrote:Well, I have decided. I will be going with the IG. They just appeal to my play style more then the SM or the Tau, not that there is anything wrong with either. I have two friends that are starting to play both. The main reason for the decision is because I like having very clear, defined roles for squads. This also goes with the IG fluff, where every Guardsmen supports his fellow brothers in arms. Not to mention the commands, which I guess I will find out whether or not they will be effective. I also think the look of the army is really cool: massive tides of infantry supported by massive amounts of transports, tanks, artillery, and more. And are the Kasrkin (or Storm Troopers, which ever floats your boat) really as bad as I have heard?

On a side note, there is probably no good way to make a Valhallans army, is there? That is the kind of army that I would want to make an army out of. Unfortunetely, I get less stuff (compared to the Cadian and Catachan squads) for $10 more.



but, but, but....Tau...


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forruner_mercy wrote:Well, I have decided. I will be going with the IG. They just appeal to my play style more then the SM or the Tau, not that there is anything wrong with either. I have two friends that are starting to play both. The main reason for the decision is because I like having very clear, defined roles for squads. This also goes with the IG fluff, where every Guardsmen supports his fellow brothers in arms. Not to mention the commands, which I guess I will find out whether or not they will be effective. I also think the look of the army is really cool: massive tides of infantry supported by massive amounts of transports, tanks, artillery, and more. And are the Kasrkin (or Storm Troopers, which ever floats your boat) really as bad as I have heard?

On a side note, there is probably no good way to make a Valhallans army, is there? That is the kind of army that I would want to make an army out of. Unfortunetely, I get less stuff (compared to the Cadian and Catachan squads) for $10 more.



but, but, but....Tau...

Admittedly they play somewhat similar to the guard, except that they are even worse in melee, and deploy fewer troops who have battlesuits...
actually not that similar now that I think about it...other than being the two shootiest armies...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2794831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2794831.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795014.page GMT IG or SM?
forruner_mercy wrote:You have the same thing twice, just to let you know.


I know :(]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795031.page GMT IG or SM?
im2randomghgh wrote:
forruner_mercy wrote:Well, I have decided. I will be going with the IG. They just appeal to my play style more then the SM or the Tau, not that there is anything wrong with either. I have two friends that are starting to play both. The main reason for the decision is because I like having very clear, defined roles for squads. This also goes with the IG fluff, where every Guardsmen supports his fellow brothers in arms. Not to mention the commands, which I guess I will find out whether or not they will be effective. I also think the look of the army is really cool: massive tides of infantry supported by massive amounts of transports, tanks, artillery, and more. And are the Kasrkin (or Storm Troopers, which ever floats your boat) really as bad as I have heard?

On a side note, there is probably no good way to make a Valhallans army, is there? That is the kind of army that I would want to make an army out of. Unfortunetely, I get less stuff (compared to the Cadian and Catachan squads) for $10 more.



but, but, but....Tau...

Admittedly they play somewhat similar to the guard, except that they are even worse in melee, and deploy fewer troops who have battlesuits...
actually not that similar now that I think about it...other than being the two shootiest armies...

Guard are shootier. Everything Tau do well, Guard do as well or better, cheaper, and they do most things the Tau can't do pretty well too.

forruner_mercy wrote:Well, I have decided. I will be going with the IG. They just appeal to my play style more then the SM or the Tau, not that there is anything wrong with either. I have two friends that are starting to play both. The main reason for the decision is because I like having very clear, defined roles for squads. This also goes with the IG fluff, where every Guardsmen supports his fellow brothers in arms. Not to mention the commands, which I guess I will find out whether or not they will be effective. I also think the look of the army is really cool: massive tides of infantry supported by massive amounts of transports, tanks, artillery, and more. And are the Kasrkin (or Storm Troopers, which ever floats your boat) really as bad as I have heard?

Stormtroopers really do one thing: deepstrike next to or behind enemy armor with meltaguns; they're basically a suicide squad to pop a dangerous vehicle. In any other role, Veterans work better, and there's some debate as to whether or not the Stormtroopers' role is worth their cost (minimum squad and two meltas comes out to 105 points, 5 more than a vetsquad with three meltas; all they've got going for them is that rerollable deepstrike).

On a side note, there is probably no good way to make a Valhallans army, is there? That is the kind of army that I would want to make an army out of. Unfortunetely, I get less stuff (compared to the Cadian and Catachan squads) for $10 more.

If you're good with modeling you might be able to make coat and hat bitz from green stuff, then do resin casts of them, otherwise I'd say just try to find guard infantry second-hand, and slowly replace them with Valhallans as you go along, then just sell off what you bought second hand to recoup your losses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2795471.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2798199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2798199.page GMT IG or SM?
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Guard are shootier. Everything Tau do well, Guard do as well or better, cheaper, and they do most things the Tau can't do pretty well too.


But they don't have battlesuits...

Anyways, the main reason Tau can't match the Imperial Guard in a straight-up firefight at this point is because of the outdated codex (2006 was it?)

Because of this, Tau lists only really have one competitive build at this point: as many battlesuits as you can take, and JSJ like nobody's business. Full-size buildings are good for this, since you can break the line of sight when you JSJ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799196.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799215.page GMT IG or SM?
Fearspect wrote:Pewpewpew, guard rock. May the bitter tears of your opponents fuel your vendettas and chimeras.


+1.

Unless they fight custodes, in which case they are SCREWED.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799242.page GMT IG or SM? OP: guard are easily the most expensive army you can choose, dollars-wise. Just keep that in mind. All those troops and vehicles start to add up quickly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799257.page GMT IG or SM?
Fearspect wrote:Just a heads up about your decision, OP: guard are easily the most expensive army you can choose, dollars-wise. Just keep that in mind. All those troops and vehicles start to add up quickly.

Not to worry, I already know that. And it is most certainly not one of my deciding factors. They just appeal to my taste, damn the consequences.

I also do not want to be the one-billionth SM player. I have a tendency to take/like things that most people don't. Oh, and take the side of the underdogs, though in this case I do not know if that applies. Of course, the good thing about having so many SM players is that I can make an anti-SM list and more than likely, it will always be SM, with some small changes for a different army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799273.page GMT IG or SM?
forruner_mercy wrote:
Fearspect wrote:Just a heads up about your decision, OP: guard are easily the most expensive army you can choose, dollars-wise. Just keep that in mind. All those troops and vehicles start to add up quickly.

Not to worry, I already know that. And it is most certainly not one of my deciding factors. They just appeal to my taste, damn the consequences.

I have a tendency to take/like things that most people don't. Oh, and take the side of the underdogs, though in this case I do not know if that applies. .


HAHAHAHA

In case you didn't know, the IG is the second most played army in all of WH40K. They are only marginally less popular than Vanilla Marines.

If you want something less popular, play Tau/Necrons/DE.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799306.page GMT IG or SM?
And what exactly are Vanilla Marines?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799319.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2799599.page GMT IG or SM? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800485.page GMT IG or SM?
I am (hypocritically) sick of SM players... they're everywhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800489.page GMT IG or SM? Lol, I think that most people will agree.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800547.page GMT IG or SM? SM are by far the easiest army to learn, build, buy and teach with. They are fairly inexpensive and you can find them used everywhere. To a lot of the people that play IG at the tournament level already know that what units in the codex are poor, and how to min max any given units. It may be easy for us to say yea the CCS runs in a chimera with a 4 melta guns ……. But to the new player they see that power wep, and at first glance thinks wow I can ignore some ones armor sounds pretty good but must of us know there is more to it then that. Or I would hate to see some one build a LR nova.

SM are very strait forward, IG is only strait forward to those that have dedicated large amounts of money and time to learn.

As a note, just playing IG in no way mean you will win a poor IG army will get crushed buy any other army, even the worst built out of the worst codex. If you want look up IG battle reports on you tube, you will find far more IG losses then win. A poor build SM army are still SM, and have the 2ed best base weapon in the game, 3+ saves, BS4, and can use every type of CC weapon effectively. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/367450/2800678.page GMT