whitedragon said:

Kinda a "pseudo" Deathwing, although the only reason I brought Mordrak is he seems nifty, I really want the Grand Strategy for some scoring Dreadknight love... I'm also trying to decide if I should find a way to fit a dread or two in there as well for more target saturation and valuable shooting.

Sanguinis wrote:

whitedragon said:

Kinda a "pseudo" Deathwing, although the only reason I brought Mordrak is he seems nifty, I really want the Grand Strategy for some scoring Dreadknight love... I'm also trying to decide if I should find a way to fit a dread or two in there as well for more target saturation and valuable shooting.

Dreadnaughts can't score, I started a post on here under YMDC about how I think Dreadnaughts can score and the majority of people said Grand Strategy doesn't allow Dreadnaughts to score, I'm not starting up the argument again I'm just making the point that you should check out my post under YMDC (it's locked now though) and check with your FLGS before you make a list around that.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Prevalence of FNP has re-killed Termies(non TH/SS); you need AP 2/1 or high str to deny FNP, which every army has access to now; so any termies not carrying SS get toasted(especially when your army has little to no FNP).

dnanoodle wrote:It's really simple. GKTs get grenades because you can't throw grenades with your hands full. They have a free hand because of the Storm Bolter wrist mount. Other terminators hold a gun and CC weapon. Or if they wear a power fist, they can't grip a grenade.

Sanguinis wrote:

whitedragon said:

Kinda a "pseudo" Deathwing, although the only reason I brought Mordrak is he seems nifty, I really want the Grand Strategy for some scoring Dreadknight love... I'm also trying to decide if I should find a way to fit a dread or two in there as well for more target saturation and valuable shooting.

Dreadnaughts can't score, I started a post on here under YMDC about how I think Dreadnaughts can score and the majority of people said Grand Strategy doesn't allow Dreadnaughts to score, I'm not starting up the argument again I'm just making the point that you should check out my post under YMDC (it's locked now though) and check with your FLGS before you make a list around that.

Grey Knight "Deathwing" doesn't really work as well as actual Deathwing. Why, because you don't have a 3+ invulnerable. Grey Knight Termies only ever have a 5+ invulnerable and at best have a 4+ in CC. This means that a single Medusa Pie Plate or Mawloc Pie Plate or even Plasma Spam could easily wreck an entire 5+ man squad. Which means 200+ points worth of Termies dead in 1 turn and thats assuming thats the only AP 2 that your opponent has.

Your better off attempting (although I haven't seen it done competitively yet) a Draigo Paladin army. The reason for that is because even though you only have a 5+ invulnerable (and Medusa's will still wreck your day) at least you can play wound allocation shannagins to help your Terminators survive longer.

Sanguinis wrote:Grey Knight Termies only ever have a 5+ invulnerable and at best have a 2+ in CC.

wuestenfux wrote:Terminators with grenades is something new in the 40k universe.
I agree with some posters saying that the 5++ save is nothing to count on,
when AP2 weapons are targeting the unit, and there are AP2 weapons out there. like Executioners or Oblits .
I agree also with Whitedragon that this list is not very lengthy and so its doable.
AP2 weapons are devastating vs Termies but have usually S 7 so that they cannot instantly kill Paladins.
Therefore, Paladins would be my pick here.

Problem with full pallies is they come with a +275 point modifier . With the Grand Strategy, they can be troops anyway, but would we benefit from mixing paladins and regular terminators in an army? I think this army will shine by spamming psycannons, and I don't think the Pallies help me out here, unless they can take 2 per 5 man unit.

winterman wrote:

Problem with full pallies is they come with a +275 point modifier . With the Grand Strategy, they can be troops anyway, but would we benefit from mixing paladins and regular terminators in an army? I think this army will shine by spamming psycannons, and I don't think the Pallies help me out here, unless they can take 2 per 5 man unit.

Paladins can take 2 per 5 and they get them 5 points cheaper then regular terminators -- so 315 for 5 w/ 2x psycannon. So 160ish points per psycannon as opposed to 225.