SngrFghtr wrote:I would like to play Either Tau, Necrons, or Dark Eldar.
Necrons- Would be awesome, but their book is old and everyone tells me its lame- I have a very small army of them
Tau- Would be pretty cool, but pretty much no close combat- I have a very small army of them
Dark Eldar- Are AWESOME!! Good from what I have heard and AWESOME!!! - I don't have any

I actually bought more FW than I need just because 1/4 of the legs in the sets are kneeling, and I want all-kneeling units so that they're shorter and can get more out of cover.

And I think SM (of every variety) are the SECOND worst army to start with, after anything horde. They just kind of...move forward...

im2randomghgh wrote:-Dark Eldar DO look epic, but with the fine-casting initiative, GW will all probably look better when they get their dex update.

-Necrons are epic because they die, then un-die, but it's not worth starting with an imminent update, because there is the risk of them being ruined.

-Tau have Godlike Firepower that won't ever let any enemies get anywhere near them so the Melee point is moot. Also, the XV8s (and XV9s) give you an enormous amount of room for strategizing, as well as the kroot teaching you how to use terrain cover to it's maximum.

im2randomghgh wrote:Also, a trio of manticore can destroy a horde army in a turn if you're lucky. 3 Manticores x 4 missiles x up to 3 warheads=36 LBT in a turn.

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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Didn't he say he's going necrons? While I can't agree with choosing anything but Guard over DE, at least it wasn't Space Marines...

Guard isn't tactical enough for a first army.

Step 1: Buy a Manticore

Step 2: laugh as everything before you is destroyed.

I must have different manticores, against SM/SW = fail.


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OP= Welcome to the game BTW. I'm surprised your not getting alot of "take your money and run" responses from the vocal anti GW crew.

It is too late. Can't you just feel his neckbeard forming?

Also, a trio of manticore can destroy a horde army in a turn if you're lucky. 3 Manticores x 4 missiles x up to 3 warheads=36 LBT in a turn.

Bad numbers on the missile friend. Only one missile per turn for each turret. That one missile has d3 warheads.

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im2randomghgh wrote:

Byte wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Didn't he say he's going necrons? While I can't agree with choosing anything but Guard over DE, at least it wasn't Space Marines...

Guard isn't tactical enough for a first army.

Step 1: Buy a Manticore

Step 2: laugh as everything before you is destroyed.

I must have different manticores, against SM/SW = fail.


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OP= Welcome to the game BTW. I'm surprised your not getting alot of "take your money and run" responses from the vocal anti GW crew.

It is too late. Can't you just feel his neckbeard forming?

Also, a trio of manticore can destroy a horde army in a turn if you're lucky. 3 Manticores x 4 missiles x up to 3 warheads=36 LBT in a turn.

Bad numbers on the missile friend. Only one missile per turn for each turret. That one missile has d3 warheads.

Pretty sure you can burn through all your ammo in one turn if you want to.

SngrFghtr wrote:Went with Dark Eldar
I bought a box of Warriors, wyches, and a raider(and the book)
Also I preordered a box of scourges, Wracks, and a Haemonculus

I am playing my friends tau in a tournament in a few weeks which is pretty awesome!

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im2randomghgh wrote:@SirP, Tau outshoot DE. Everytiime. DE are MUCH better in assault, but their shooty is inferior to that of guard and Tau.

DE=Mobile
IG=Firepower
Tau=perfect balance.

DE can be setup to be shootier than Tau. They can take masses of S8 lances, splinter weapons, and dirt cheap pieplates, albeit at the expense of assault elements. You're making the mistake I did when I first started playing: assuming that because shooting is what Tau do best, they do it better than everyone else. In contrast, DE can be tooled out to do anything better than any other army, aside from taking a punch. That's their only weak point, and it is a big one, but you tool them up to assault right, and there's nothing that can beat them in assault, tool them up to shoot, and there's nothing that can beat them in shooting, and in any configuration (except foot DE, but that goes without saying, since their vehicles are one of their biggest strengths) they'll dominate in terms of mobility, either through their vehicles or through coming into play in the center of the board through a webway portal. No matter what you do, however, they'll remain fragile, meaning your opponent can break them fairly easy if given the chance.

DE is the army I started with, so I know their strengths. Nevertheless, I believe I could outshoot any DE list with my XV8/XV9/XV88 spam.

I can tool my XV9s to accomplish ANY task, same with my XV8s, and my XV88s are one of the best transport-popping units in the game.

There are simply next to no units in the game that can beat a trio of XV9s equipped to counter them. Fusion cascades make a joke out of terminators and vehicles, Phased Ion Guns (PIGS) can destroy enormous units with their 8-shot-per-model VoF, pair of TL BC is...well at least it's accurate and the pulse submunitions rifle is a giant space shotgun.

Take a look at some of Dash's lists. Nine venoms lay down 108 shots at 36", for 585 points, doing an average of 18 wounds against 3+ armor. Going the Kabalite/Trueborn blaster route (one I don't think is a very good deal, I much prefer haywire wyches for antitank), those venoms will also have 14 blasters, for 684 more points (this also comes with 24 splinter rifles), for another eight (average) wounds, barring cover. Tri-ravagers would have either 9 dark lance shots, or 27 disintegrator shots, depending on how tailored against crisis suits it was, meaning either five or twelve (again, average) wounds, for 315 points. These aren't necessarily optimal configurations, but they outrange the Tau, and can lay down enough fire to wipe every crisis suit off the map on turn one, before mopping up whatever's left on the next. Broadsides are expensive overkill against AV10 skimmers, and not assured to bring anything down on account of their 5+ invuln save.

*Note that I don't particularly like that list configuration, however effective it may be, I'm just including it for the sake of example.

Pretty sure you can burn through all your ammo in one turn if you want to.

You can't, it specifically enumerates that one rocket may be fired per turn. Guard codex page 54: "Note that only a single rocket can be fired by a Manticore Rocket Launcher each turn."

I can't see them winning in a melee against any non-tzeentch daemon army. Either units that are crazy skilled at melee (khornate) will always, always strike first (slaaneshi) or are damn-near impossible to kill (Nurglite)