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We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

AgeOfEgos — GMT

Question 1:

Special Actions. Is this correct?

A model may perform a special action or a a combat action. If you perform a special action, you may not perform a combat action. if you perform a combat action, you may perform additional actions (including special attacks)==provided you spend focus.

Question 2:

Epic Nemo and Shake Off. ENemo can allocate focus during his activation, however Shaken requires focus during the Control phase (Which I assume ENemo can still do, as his ability states "may"). However, does this focus during the Control Phase go to the limit of the Jack (3?). Or he can he allocate a focus to a Jack during control----use it for shaken---then later during his activation allocate another 3 to the jack (total of 4 this turn)?

Question 3:

Power attacks. Regardless if you are a Warjack or not---you cannot make a Power Attack AND charge. You either slam, or charge---not charge, then slam?

Question 4:

Special Attacks. You may make a special attack only at the start of your combat action---and THEN buy additional attacks with focus. You cannot make normal attacks---then use a focus to make a special attack?

Cheers and thanks!

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Casper — GMT

Question 1: I think you have it right (No rulebook nearby) remember special attacks take up all your initial attacks

Question 2: I play eNemo (yes you can allocate normally), and I want to say no because you are still allocating a focus to that jack, it just spends it and then gets focus allocated again. However I'll be glad if i'm wrong on this one.

Question 3: You declare a charge, slam, trample etc and then do the action. Remember if you are prevented from charging in any way you can't slam either.

Question 4: Correct, a *attack takes all of your initial attacks. The only way around this is a chain attack of some sort - hitting with a certain weapon or two - which then grants a free headbutt, throw, lock etc.

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Tarot — GMT

1) Correct, although you cannot make special attacks after your initial attacks.

2) A jack may only be allocated 3 focus per turn, period, no exceptions. So no, you still cap out at 2 after shaking, although you can still allocate one during standard allocation as normal and fill back up to 2.

3) Charges and Slams are seperate types of actions, although their movement requirements is similar.

4) Correct. SPecial attacks replace your initial attacks. If you have made any initial attacks, you cannot make a special attack (or action).

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Hey, thanks guys----I really do appreciate both of you taking the time to answer!

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

Actually above posters are wrong about 2nd question, you can indeed allocate focus to that jack. As long as as jack has 2 or less focus he can be allocated focus, game doesn't "track" how many focus he was allocated this turn, only thing that matters is how much focus he has at the moment.

Prime MkII, Pg73, CORTEX wrote:This model can be allocated focus. This model can have no more than 3 focus points at any time as a result of allocation.

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malfred — GMT

Grahg the Elfmuncher wrote:Actually above posters are wrong about 2 question, you can indeed allocate focus to that jack. As long as as jack has 2 or less focus he can be allocated focus, game doesn't "track" how many focus he was allocated this turn, only thing that matters is how much focus he has at the moment.

Prime MkII, Pg73, CORTEX wrote:This model can be allocated focus. This model can have no more than 3 focus points at any time as a result of allocation.

This comes into play with things like Vyros's feat. It allocates focus to 'jacks
when models (probably faction) kill. So you can give a Phoenix 3 focus, and
it can spend focus, kill a model and gain focus back up to 3 over and over
again.

It's kind of gross.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Ahh, that makes ENemo a bit better. Shake off won't cost you an attack focus then.

You could also allocate 3 to Ol'Rowdy during the control phase----then later he does his attacks---then when ENemo activates back, you could throw another focus on him for Grudge? I'm sure there are other ways to break that too...but I'm too much of a rook!

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:Ahh, that makes ENemo a bit better. Shake off won't cost you an attack focus then.

You could also allocate 3 to Ol'Rowdy during the control phase----then later he does his attacks---then when ENemo activates back, you could throw another focus on him for Grudge? I'm sure there are other ways to break that too...but I'm too much of a rook!

That doesn't work, he must activate Grudge during his activation, and he has to end it for Nemo to activate.

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12thRonin — GMT

I think what he's saying is to put on him so he can use it during Rowdy using Grudge, not to activate the imprint.

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

12thRonin wrote:I think what he's saying is to put on him so he can use it during Rowdy using Grudge, not to activate the imprint.

It that case it still doesn't work since you can't spend focus to boost attack or damage rolls outside your activation.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Ahh, thanks Grahg---that's clear now.

RE: Nemo throwing more than 3 on a Jack---so you can allocate one during control, then another 3 when ENemo activates. That makes him even better at pushing Jacks!

Another question; Throwing a model

Where do you measure from--and can a model throw another model in any direction he wants (Like over his back)?

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malfred — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:Ahh, thanks Grahg---that's clear now.

RE: Nemo throwing more than 3 on a Jack---so you can allocate one during control, then another 3 when ENemo activates. That makes him even better at pushing Jacks!

Another question; Throwing a model

Where do you measure from--and can a model throw another model in any direction he wants (Like over his back)?

Not quite. You can allocate more focus during a round only if you have a
way to burn the extra focus and keep it under three. Unless the warjack
is bonded, of course. Then you can allocate 4.

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12thRonin — GMT

Throwing has to be away from you. So it's pretty much straight forward. One of the cool things is the rules define away, straight away, toward, and straight toward. The throw cannot get you any closer to the model's base than it started.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

malfred wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:Ahh, thanks Grahg---that's clear now.

RE: Nemo throwing more than 3 on a Jack---so you can allocate one during control, then another 3 when ENemo activates. That makes him even better at pushing Jacks!

Another question; Throwing a model

Where do you measure from--and can a model throw another model in any direction he wants (Like over his back)?

Not quite. You can allocate more focus during a round only if you have a
way to burn the extra focus and keep it under three. Unless the warjack
is bonded, of course. Then you can allocate 4.

Ahh, ok---thanks Malfred.

12thRonin wrote:Throwing has to be away from you. So it's pretty much straight forward. One of the cool things is the rules define away, straight away, toward, and straight toward. The throw cannot get you any closer to the model's base than it started.

Right, it has to be away from you---but does this mean you can throw it over your back in another direction---or does it consider facing/proximity of the model as you throw it

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yastobaal — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:

12thRonin wrote:Throwing has to be away from you. So it's pretty much straight forward. One of the cool things is the rules define away, straight away, toward, and straight toward. The throw cannot get you any closer to the model's base than it started.

Right, it has to be away from you---but does this mean you can throw it over your back in another direction---or does it consider facing/proximity of the model as you throw it

As 12thRonin says it has to be away from you. If you are trying to chuck it behind you then at the beginning it is going toward you and therefore illegal. I don't think facing matters when resolving throws apart from working out if the attacker can actually make the attack.

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

Away means it must go away from you during the entire move. So basically you can throw in the 180 degree area in front of you. Quick illustration:

Model A is throwing model, model B is thrown model, red area is area where it can be thrown.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

I'm with you and thanks for the illustration. I guess my question revolves around the point of origin and double handed throw mechanics (as it doesn't state it must be away, just a model in LOS).

So I'm sold on the one handed throw explanation, thanks. Does this pertain to two handed throws at models too? Or can I pick up a jack on one side of me and throw it at another model on my other side?

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

Infernal (these are the guys who are basically the law when it come to rules) said that all throws must be away.
http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?7084-Throwing-behind&p=122023&viewfull=1#post122023

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Ahh, ok that answered my next logical step RE: Two handed. Thanks again, you've been a great help!

Ryan

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12thRonin — GMT

Depending on the movement of your jacks, positioning, and angles, you can move around it so that you could throw the target back to your lines by changing how your jack is facing.

So with Grahg's diagram, move A to the south of B and turn 90 degrees to the left. That would allow a throw back to your lines. You are however potentially giving up position since your own back will be more exposed as a result.

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CATACLYSMUS — GMT

Grahg the Elfmuncher wrote:
12thRonin wrote:I think what he's saying is to put on him so he can use it during Rowdy using Grudge, not to activate the imprint.

It that case it still doesn't work since you can't spend focus to boost attack or damage rolls outside your activation.

I think you can, if you have it to spare.

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Grahg the Elfmuncher — GMT

CATACLYSMUS wrote:I think you can, if you have it to spare.

Nope.

Prime MkII Pg73 wrote:FOCUS: BOOST
This model can spend 1 focus point to boost any of its attack rolls or damage rolls during its activation. Add an extra die to the boosted roll. Boosting must be declared before rolling any dice for the roll. Remember, a single roll can be boosted only once, but a warjack can boost as many different rolls as you can afford.

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12thRonin — GMT

Yep. This is the reason that Kara's feat is a pale imitation of pHaley's.

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btemple0 — GMT

Subscribed for my own benefit.

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CATACLYSMUS — GMT

Hmmm... seems I have misinterpreted. Do you have any reference saying that you cannot outside of activation, or is this one of PP's rare omissions? I ask because: 1. Two different press gangers have told me otherwise in tournament play, and 2. PP is usually more specific with regards to IFF situations.

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Laughing Man — GMT

There doesn't need to be something saying you can't do it outside your activation if the rule allowing you to do so only allows you to do so during said activation.

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CATACLYSMUS — GMT

But, as quoted, the rule does not state ONLY during activation. It only states it as one of the things you can do during activation. Thus the loophole, and thus my question.

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yastobaal — GMT

Hang on the rule, as quoted above, goes:

This model can spend 1 focus point to boost any of its attack rolls or damage rolls during its activation.

So we have the baseline here. Grudge reads:

During this model's activation, it can spend 1 focus point to use Grudge. For one round, when this model is hit by one or more melee attacks during an enemy model's combat action, immediately after that combat action ends this model can make one normal melee attack, then Grudge expires.

So you spend a focus point to use the imprint. Then the enemy hits you. Rowdy hits back and you say I'll use this focus to boost damage. Are you in this models (Rowdy) activation? No, therefore you can't spend the focus as nothing in Grudge says that you can ignore this rule.

Can you point out the loophole?

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Laughing Man — GMT

CATACLYSMUS wrote:But, as quoted, the rule does not state ONLY during activation. It only states it as one of the things you can do during activation. Thus the loophole, and thus my question.

What loophole? Is there a separate rule allowing you to boost outside of your activation?

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12thRonin — GMT

The only exception I'm aware of is Darth Stryker's feat and its because it specifically says it can be done. Which proves the point about it not normally being allowed outside of the model/unit's activation.

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Wehrkind — GMT

Great thread guys! Even though I am starting Hordes the info on general game processes is really valuable. Thanks so much!

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Alfndrate — GMT

Speaking of Hordes though,

I had a question about thrown weapons.

Troll Impaler has a thrown spear as a weapon. It says POW (instead of P+S) does this mean that I don't add the strength of the troll who is throwing this? It makes sense because it says POW instead of P+S but other games with thrown weapons add the strength... SO... am I reading too much into this

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Wehrkind — GMT

Pretty certain the weapon also has the "thrown" attribute which says you add Str to the Pow for damage rolls. The Tharn chicks do at least, and the Ironhide guy's ax too. I don't have the book on me, but I think it should be there.

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Thanatos_elNyx — GMT

All Thrown weapons that I can think of have the Thrown special rule which states to add your strength to the POW of the ranged attack.

Ninja'd or should I say Rhyas'd

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Alfndrate — GMT

>_<

You're entirely correct, I neglected to flip the card over, and for the life of me couldn't find anything in the hordes rulebook (I probably just wasn't looking in the right place).

Question answered :(

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CATACLYSMUS — GMT

Laughing Man wrote:
CATACLYSMUS wrote:But, as quoted, the rule does not state ONLY during activation. It only states it as one of the things you can do during activation. Thus the loophole, and thus my question.

What loophole? Is there a separate rule allowing you to boost outside of your activation?

I think we are disputing two separate things, here. I was not speaking of Rowdy's rule specifically, but about using focus, in general. There are a couple of instances with the protectorate that make the distinction important, but those are off topic, so I withdraw the question so as not to make the learning curve any steeper for new players.

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Sgt.Sunshine — GMT

Alright for future reference card rules trump book. If there's something that says you can specifically spend focus outside of your activation then awesome. Your model is unique in that regard yadda yadda. However, the book is very clear in stating what focus can be used to do. The fact it specifically says WHEN you can use the focus should be clear. It essentially answers the question "when can I use focus?" by stating "You can use focus to boost during your turn." the inclusion of an only is not really necessary. The rules for Warmahordes aren't really that loose in that regard. If you're really not sure ask on the privateer press forum for issues like these. There you can get an infernal ruling, but boosting out of your activation would be too...good in some cases.

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12thRonin — GMT

It is clear. The rules state you can only use focus during your activation on page 75 on how to use focus.

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ratch — GMT

Grahg the Elfmuncher wrote:Away means it must go away from you during the entire move. So basically you can throw in the 180 degree area in front of you. Quick illustration:

Model A is throwing model, model B is thrown model, red area is area where it can be thrown.

What about models with 360^o front arcs? could you throw behind you then without changing facing?

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

As I understand it ratch, no. The model must move away from you during the entirety of its move---and if you threw it backwards at one point it would actually be moving closer to you.

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ratch — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:As I understand it ratch, no. The model must move away from you during the entirety of its move---and if you threw it backwards at one point it would actually be moving closer to you.

well what i am getting at is this has to do with your Front arc and the 180^o but if your front arc is 360^o then i would say that would be the exception to the throw... i am just trying to pose some questions to help clarify the throw rules to the fullest.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

ratch wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:As I understand it ratch, no. The model must move away from you during the entirety of its move---and if you threw it backwards at one point it would actually be moving closer to you.

well what i am getting at is this has to do with your Front arc and the 180^o but if your front arc is 360^o then i would say that would be the exception to the throw... i am just trying to pose some questions to help clarify the throw rules to the fullest.

I think there are two caveats here;

One is for a two handed throw (to throw at another model) you must draw LOS to the model. This would require front arc. The 360 might circumvent that but...

Two, the model must move away from you during the entirety of the move. Regardless of facing, LOS or anything else---this means the base cannot come closer to you as it's being thrown---which means you have very limited angles when throwing. For example;

If I throw using the red arrow (Over my head)---as it travels it grows closer to my base and actually crosses over my base--before finally moving away from me. As it must move away from me during its move, this is illegal.
If I throw using the green arrow--at no point does the model grow closer to me (So it's allowed).

As I understand it but as you can tell by the thread title---I'm new to the game as well. So if I'm right, it will help get the rule in my gut---if not, I'm sure someone with more experience will point out how I'm wrong so we can both learn .

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ratch — GMT

the more i think about it, the more i am wrong in this. i am making the assumption that 360^o arc means you would have the starting point in the backside. but the more i think of it. thats wrong. your front arc is your front arc 360^o just means your "Aware" in your Back arc. i was making the assumption 360^o meant you could twist your waist like an owl twists its head lol. i make stupid assumptions with frequency. i got it now. 360^o would not allow you to throw behind you lol

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Ok a few more...reading up and getting ready to try out my Hordes army and wanted to make sure I understand this;

1. If you decide to throw your own model---you must still roll contested strength (and roll to hit). You can mitigate this by back striking your model and using two hands (as you will get 2d6, your other model will only get 1d6--even if he has two hands as well).

2. I throw my Wrastler 6 inches forward with another Wrastler. He takes Str + 2d6. He can then use his Animus to stand up---and this is not a shake off effect. Which means he can activate--stand up--then charge/whatever.

3. Barnabas and his swamp pits. I can't place them under a Jack--as it states 'cannot touch a model's base'---however I can cast it directly behind a Jack---then slam the Jack back (and put it's boiler out). There is no way to use the Wrastler take down and drown a Jack--as I cannot put the swamp pit under the Jack to begin with.

Right...wrong...?

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Blaque — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok a few more...reading up and getting ready to try out my Hordes army and wanted to make sure I understand this;

1. If you decide to throw your own model---you must still roll contested strength (and roll to hit). You can mitigate this by back striking your model and using two hands (as you will get 2d6, your other model will only get 1d6--even if he has two hands as well).

2. I throw my Wrastler 6 inches forward with another Wrastler. He takes Str + 2d6. He can then use his Animus to stand up---and this is not a shake off effect. Which means he can activate--stand up--then charge/whatever.

3. Barnabas and his swamp pits. I can't place them under a Jack--as it states 'cannot touch a model's base'---however I can cast it directly behind a Jack---then slam the Jack back (and put it's boiler out). There is no way to use the Wrastler take down and drown a Jack--as I cannot put the swamp pit under the Jack to begin with.

Right...wrong...?

All correct.

And stuff.

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Wehrkind — GMT

Wow, that there's some tricky thinking sir!

Here's a few minor questions that I think RiTides and I answered, but I want to make certain:

1: In a models's activation it moves first then gets to attack, do specials etc. Is there a particular order for non-movement activities?
1a: Can a warbeast move, use its animus, then do initial attacks? Can it move, do initial attacks then animus then addition attack?
2a: Warlocks can cast, then move, then cast, etc. Can they also Move, Cast, do initial attacks, and then cast some more?

2: Models knocked down can not be moved over freely for purposes of charging, right? So for example, if I have a warbeast on the other side of an infantry model from a warlock, I can't charge the warlock even if the infantry model is prone unless I have a straight line to contact with the Warlock without going over the model's base, right? Example:

W------------------I WB

W is the warlock who is in a straight line with a knocked down Infantry I and the warbeast WB.

Thanks!

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Blaque — GMT

Wehrkind wrote:1: In a models's activation it moves first then gets to attack, do specials etc. Is there a particular order for non-movement activities?
1a: Can a warbeast move, use its animus, then do initial attacks? Can it move, do initial attacks then animus then addition attack?
2a: Warlocks can cast, then move, then cast, etc. Can they also Move, Cast, do initial attacks, and then cast some more?

All of these are legit. "Any time during activation" things, like spellcasting, using animi, healing, and so on, can be done so long as the model does not interupt movement or in the middle of attack resolutions. So you can do it before oving, after moving, before attacks, and after attacks, but not:
- After making an attack, but before rolling damage.
- After rolling damage but before resolving effects.

Also, if a model runs, or fails a cahrge, their activation ends immediately. You pretty much can do absolutley nothing after one of these.

Wehrkind wrote:2: Models knocked down can not be moved over freely for purposes of charging, right? So for example, if I have a warbeast on the other side of an infantry model from a warlock, I can't charge the warlock even if the infantry model is prone unless I have a straight line to contact with the Warlock without going over the model's base, right? Example:

W------------------I WB

W is the warlock who is in a straight line with a knocked down Infantry I and the warbeast WB.

Thanks!

Correct. Knockdown only does exactly what it says it does. It offers not ability to move over the KD'd model and so you must still use movement vectors that do not cross the model's base.

And stuff.

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Wehrkind — GMT

Excellent, that is exactly what we came up with! (Even though I REALLY wanted my warpwolf stalker to jump past his apparently unkillable trollkin to squish his warlock )

Thank you good sir!

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Hey Blaque,

Thanks for the answers (in both my and others posts). Much appreciated!

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mazgier — GMT

Wehrkind wrote:2: Models knocked down can not be moved over freely for purposes of charging, right? So for example, if I have a warbeast on the other side of an infantry model from a warlock, I can't charge the warlock even if the infantry model is prone unless I have a straight line to contact with the Warlock without going over the model's base, right? Example:

W------------------I WB

W is the warlock who is in a straight line with a knocked down Infantry I and the warbeast WB.

Blaque's answer about charge was 100% correct however you should not forget that if your Beast was a heavy one and the KD'ed model had small base you could still perform a trample power attack to reach enemy warlock.

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yastobaal — GMT

Just something about spells, feats and anytime abilities.

All of these can be done before movement, after movement, in-between attacks (so attack with one fist, use animus, attack with other fist) and after all attacks. Anytime abilities can also be used before a run. However, spells, feats and I think animi can't be used before a run.

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Blaque — GMT

yastobaal wrote:Just something about spells, feats and anytime abilities.

All of these can be done before movement, after movement, in-between attacks (so attack with one fist, use animus, attack with other fist) and after all attacks. Anytime abilities can also be used before a run. However, spells, feats and I think animi can't be used before a run.

Correct. The general rules don't prevent you from doing any-time actions during an activation in which a model ran. It is the specific rules of spellcasting, feats, and animi which prevent them.

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

Ok, so first game of Hordes tonight---wanted to make sure we have a few things 'in our gut' (and right);

Reave Fury: You can reave fury when your Warbeast dies to an enemy attack. You gain the Fury right then. You cannot Reave fury from a Warbeast that dies by transfer of damage.

Warlocks can discard Fury--only during their activation. You cannot discard Fury during the Control Phase of your turn (and then leech more Fury from your Warbeasts)

Right?

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12thRonin — GMT

Both are correct. To #1, you do not have to reave all the fury, you can do just some of if you want. #2 is spot on though.

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mazgier — GMT

Just to be precise: you reave all fury from a beast that dies. You just can't exceed warlock's FUR stat.
Primal Mk. II, page 76.

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12thRonin — GMT

There's a whole lotta folks are mis-playing this then. Good to know.

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AshAxe — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:Ok, so first game of Hordes tonight---wanted to make sure we have a few things 'in our gut' (and right);

Reave Fury: You can reave fury when your Warbeast dies to an enemy attack. You gain the Fury right then. You cannot Reave fury from a Warbeast that dies by transfer of damage.

Warlocks can discard Fury--only during their activation. You cannot discard Fury during the Control Phase of your turn (and then leech more Fury from your Warbeasts)

Right?

....and you can only reave the fury the beast had accumulated that turn? I may be wrong Age but I thought you guys may have been reaving FURY instead of fury in the game I was watching. Hope that made sense.

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Tarot — GMT

You can only reave the amount of Fury a beast currently has on it, whether it was accumulated that turn, or if it had been accumulating it over several turns.

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Wehrkind — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Reave Fury: You can reave fury when your Warbeast dies to an enemy attack. You gain the Fury right then. You cannot Reave fury from a Warbeast that dies by transfer of damage.

Wow, I had thought you could dump damage from your warlock off onto a warbeast then reave from it if it died in the process. That changes things in my head quite a bit.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

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AgeOfEgos — GMT

AshAxe wrote:
....and you can only reave the fury the beast had accumulated that turn? I may be wrong Age but I thought you guys may have been reaving FURY instead of fury in the game I was watching. Hope that made sense.

That's right Mike, I think we were doing it right.

Except the dumping of Fury during the Control phase---a Warlock can only do that during activation (We were dumping during Control). Which means, you can't squat Fury to transfer damage with no ill affect--as if you do not use the Fury to transfer damage--this will limit how much Fury you can uptake from your beasts next turn.

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Wehrkind wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:
Reave Fury: You can reave fury when your Warbeast dies to an enemy attack. You gain the Fury right then. You cannot Reave fury from a Warbeast that dies by transfer of damage.

Wow, I had thought you could dump damage from your warlock off onto a warbeast then reave from it if it died in the process. That changes things in my head quite a bit.

Thanks for clearing that up for me!

Hah, I don't know about clear on my end--that's for sure! I'm just using this thread as an ongoing learning document for our group--as each week a new query arises.

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12thRonin — GMT

Wehrkind wrote:
Wow, I had thought you could dump damage from your warlock off onto a warbeast then reave from it if it died in the process. That changes things in my head quite a bit.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!

IIRC, in Mk1 you could.

Re:We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

Blaque — GMT

AgeOfEgos wrote:Hey Blaque,

Thanks for the answers (in both my and others posts). Much appreciated!

Sorry for the delay on this, but yer welcome. I'm always glad to put imput where i can on these sorta thingies.

As a summary on fury, said in these posts to remember:

Discarding and Leaching Fury
A warlock only can do this during his or her activation. This means that while leaching, if already have fury on your warlock, it will count against what they can get off of theri warbeasts.

Reaving
You only get the fury currently on the warbeast when you reave. Not its FURY stat. Note that in WM/H, the all-caps version is the stat on the model's card, while the normal cased one is the points the model spends or has.

Also, you cannot reave from beasts killed by transfers or the attacks of friendly models. Continuous effects, like fire, death-causing side effects of attacks and Electroleap,f east, all that, will give you fury.

This being said, the warbeast must be destroyed. Effects that remove the model from the table or play before they reach the Destroyed step of damage resolution prevent reaving.

Hope, again, this helps any.

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Wehrkind — GMT

Oh wow, so if a Wold Watcher smacks the last bit of damage off an enemy warbeast, that warbeast's controller can't reave due to the Fertilizer ability?

Is it a general rule of thumb that if a model's going away doesn't generate a soul or corpse token (since the tips often clarify that) that they can't be reaved off of either?

We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

Blaque — GMT

That is precisely right. Be careful around those things. THat being said, in my own experience, Woldwatchers don't have a good track record of killing a lot.

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We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

Wehrkind — GMT

Hehe good point! I hadn't realized that was a side effect of it though, and a fair few Circle units seem to have a similar trick. I will have to keep that in mind!

Thanks again man!

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Blaque — GMT

It does come up. I have done it with Mohsar and Bloodweavers on a couple occasions, but the Circle options in this department are such that I wouldn't bet on them often. Be more afraid of warlocks with Carnivore and Snacking dire trolls.

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12thRonin — GMT

Don't forget the mighty Shredder.

Re:We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

AgeOfEgos — GMT

Rise from the ashes of the dead my mighty thread and tread this board once more!

So today we managed to confuse ourselves over movement, normal movement, charges, capital gains tax, etc. To make sure we are on the right track;

Normal movement includes any movement you conduct during your activation
Doubling your speed characteristic affects any speed based movement the model might make (be it during normal activation or not!)

Bonuses to movement act as as an addition to the movement--not an exponential modifier. So if something states "Gets +2 movement"---if that model were to run it would move at 2X Spd + 2 inches. If it were to charge, it would charge at Speed + 2 + 3
Bonuses to speed act as an exponential modifier to the base characteristics. So if something states "Gets +2 Speed"--if that model were to run it would move at: (Speed + 2) X 2. However just like a bonus to movement, if it were to charge, it would charge at Speed + 2 + 3

If an ability or spell allows you to make an additional move after your normal move activation, only bonuses to speed would apply (Provided they lasted the turn/round)
If an ability or spell allows you to make an additional move after your normal activation, bonuses to movement would not apply

Right?

We're slowly learning---but some general Warmachine Questions

malfred — GMT

Going to lock this.

Please post rules questions individually. (Easier to see them on the forum that way.)