<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Starting Ork Waagh!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Starting Ork Waagh! IG are solid, so I want to start Orks. They look really fun to model and paint, plus just plain ridiculous to play with. But I do have some questions before I run out and spend teeth like a dentist.

1)Looted Wagons- I saw in the codex that they can be any vehicle from any army. Do they all make the blanket change to the stats in the box or can I have some be a little more akin to their nonlooted counterparts? For example, would a looted land raider be any better than a looted rhino?

2)Along the same lines of the looting, can I use other walkers(dreads/sentinels/tau stuff) with fiddly bits added for deffdreads/kans without running into problems with TO and others? I am sure it is fine for friendly games but I want to make sure I can play in tourneys also.

3)With looting(apparently a theme I am going with ) is it better to run primarily boyz or should I get some specialists like kommandos/bikes?

I can't wait to get started on this, thanks in advance!

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2958997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2958997.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! 2. In friendly games, it doesnt matter. If your planning on using them in a tourny, as always you have to ask the tourny organizer if its kosher or not. And as with everything else Orky, rule of cool usually over rides any problems you might other wise run into.
3. The depends entirely on the build you go with. If you have looted sentinels/warwalkers for kans and use them in a kanwall, youd be using alot of boyz. If you loot alot of vehicles to use as trukks/wagons/BW then youd be running mech and by default not using alot of boyz.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960610.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! le vie. Looting a monolith might be fun though...

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960725.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2960981.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! LW as a transport. Kit that thing out with a Boomgun and give it the 'ard case upgrade. Let it sit back and throw ordinance at the enemy all game long.

By the way, it sounds like you're looking to put together a Deathskulls army. (or possibly Blood Axes.) Deathskulls love looting stuff. Blood Axes too, but not as much as the 'skulls. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2961503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2961503.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! How come everyone sees Blood Axes as using nothing but looted imperial vehicles and weapons? Am I missing some important part of fluff here? I've even seen Blood Axe armies using nothing but imperial/space marine weapons, why should they ever do that? When I picked up the game I had the impression that they would use any means necessary to win, including strapping rokkits to their backs, tactical retreat or sneaking behind enemy lines. However, whenever anyone talks about them, they come across as imperial impersonators, even ditching ork stuff for much worse imperial stuff. Don't really read that from the fluff.

/rant of a Blood Axe warlord]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2961828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2961828.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
BTW, are orks due for an update anytime soon?

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962293.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! AOBR boxes...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962317.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! CSM player years ago, and I got sick of everytime they improved on the dex, the next one would suck it up big time. So Im nervous with Orks getting that treatment, though compared to their old dex the current one is better, though it did lose some flavor (Also Id LOVE to see the choppa rule come back)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2962653.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
And Jidmah, it's more Blood Axes and Deathskullz. Blood Axes do a lot more allying with other armies so it would make sense that at some point they'd accumilate a small array of ex-Imperial/Xeno vehicles. Deathskullz sprang to mind more since they just take everything.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2963696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2963696.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2964049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2964049.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2964069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2964069.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! WH40k at all was the BW model. Right after falling of a chair laughing because a friend of mine left his ork codex lying around. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2965170.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2965170.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Jidmah wrote:Don't think so, would mess up their top-selling AOBR boxes...
I doubt that. I heard sometime in 2012 they are going into a new edition. Going by what happened to WHFB they will probably ditch AOBR, but what the new starter kit armies will be I have no idea.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2965903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2965903.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! FLGS and picked up a kopy of kodex: orks

Looking at it, buying AoBR for $90 from them(the owner refuses to raise prices on items already in stock) I will save considerable change and can trade off the SM or use them to bolster my own chapter. 3 deffkoptas, a warboss, 20 boyz, and 5 nobs for $90 is amazing, plus the free dreadnaught that WILL be looted into a deffdread makes it all the sweeter.

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2966472.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2966472.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2966494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2966494.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! aobr 20sih shipped, nobs are about 10 bucks, and def coptas shipped at around 15 so all in all around 48 but if you do buy iot and sell the SM stuff you can actually sell them for more so it is a tossup if you want to bother to sell. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2967817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2967817.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! FLGS and pick up AoBR. I'm using the Space Marines for my Chapter and the Orks will be used for Waaagh! Ardskul

I have to look into fluff D:

Good luck, looking forward to seeing a fellow new Waaagh!

Question:

How are Orks orgnized? I mean in terms of

Tribe
Klan
Waaagh!

etc?

It goes
Klan>Tribe>Waaagh! right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971468.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
It's a little hard to explain but once you get it(basic idea being the orks are incredibly simplistic) it is easy to understand.

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971507.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Warbands are in Klans, Klans are in Tribes, and Everehthang is in the Waaagh!?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971552.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! Btw, what is the plural of Waaagh!?

There are 6 or so major klans, each devoted to slightly different ways of krumping 'eads. Much less of a clan as we know it and more of a way of life/method of warfare. These are galaxy spanning and have no real politkal affiliation.

Hope that helps!

-cgmckenzie

ps- best thing about diskuzing orks on forums is misspelling everything.

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Jidmah wrote:Slightly derailing:
How come everyone sees Blood Axes as using nothing but looted imperial vehicles and weapons? Am I missing some important part of fluff here? I've even seen Blood Axe armies using nothing but imperial/space marine weapons, why should they ever do that? When I picked up the game I had the impression that they would use any means necessary to win, including strapping rokkits to their backs, tactical retreat or sneaking behind enemy lines. However, whenever anyone talks about them, they come across as imperial impersonators, even ditching ork stuff for much worse imperial stuff. Don't really read that from the fluff.

/rant of a Blood Axe warlord
The blood axes trade with Imperials, so that may be part of the reasoning, however I dont see why they would haveall looted stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971797.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
As for plural Waaagh! I believe it's Waaagh!

I have led 32 Waaagh! in my lifetime o.O]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2971998.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
That second '!' is important!

And that's the thing about Orks. Loot everything. Skratchbuild. Kitbash. You can buy the first of your vehicles and just put them together, but after that, you shouldn't be spending more than 10 bucks on each additional vehicle, between bitz, sprue, plasticard, and sundry fings you pick up off the side of the road.

Buy a ton of AoBR boyz, and get real good at choppin those arms off. They're easy enough to glue back on if you decide you want Slugga boyz, but if not, you now have a clean slate for everything from Shootaboyz, to Lootaz, to Burnaboyz, to Tankbustas, and even boyz for pilotin' vehicles. A box of Boyz and a box of Loota/Burnaz gives you enough equipment for double the number of torsos.

Be as cheap as possible, and be inventive. I've got roughly 4000 points of Orks, and I've spent less than 200 dollars on them so far (this includes a Stompa), and that's without kitting them all out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2972141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2972141.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! AOBR or just scratch build a bunch of stuff?

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973047.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Anvildude wrote:Buy a ton of AoBR boyz, and get real good at choppin those arms off. They're easy enough to glue back on if you decide you want Slugga boyz, but if not, you now have a clean slate for everything from Shootaboyz, to Lootaz, to Burnaboyz, to Tankbustas, and even boyz for pilotin' vehicles. A box of Boyz and a box of Loota/Burnaz gives you enough equipment for double the number of torsos.

So, how do you get the second arm off on the AOBR models if they have their arm close to their body? If I simply cut it off, it looks really ugly and my modeling skills aren't great enough to fix it with green stuff...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973203.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973446.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973570.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973570.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
in a normal army it is good to buy 1 unit at a time, then eventually build up you spare parts.
but with orks, i think its better to buy (maybe not assemble) a few extras at the beginning as they really benifit from kit-bashing.

a box of nobs and a box of loota/burnas will make sure you can personalise your nobs in the units so they are not all the same, or make a big unit with the AoBR Nobz changing the arms. It gives you spare burnas for giving meks or kommandos, extra guns for if you decide (probably wont) on flash gitz. you can even make a (little) big mek from the burna box. also for giving the warbuggies skorchas/rokkits. Once you buy one ork vehicle you have bitz for more too.

This way you can make the AoBR boyz (which are actually pretty good) or nobz go a lot further.

Sorry if this seems silly advice, but i learned the rubbish way of getting 1 box then another, it took a while before i had room for converting stuff. and now my first couple of units look a bit too "out of the box"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973817.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973834.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2973986.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! AoBR boys. I much prefer regular boys as there is a little more freedom to creating a unique amy. Plus you get a nob in every box with a big shoota and rokkit. If you buy the boys, burna and nobs you have enough parts to create a big mek kff (with odd bits)and a painboy too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2974293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2974293.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! AoBR, 3 boyz, 2 nobz?

To start.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2975695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2975695.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
A BW rush list requires about 60 boys where a green tide can be close to 120. A Kan wall about 60-90. You may not even need that many nobs for kan wall or Greentide. The AOBR is good because you get koptas but ebay can really help your wallet as stated earlier.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2975908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2975908.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
4000pts for less than $200!? Did you ebay a lot of AOBR or just scratch build a bunch of stuff?

-cgmckenzie


Yes, yes I did skratchbuild, actually most of my stuff. I got a skratchbuilt Stompa (that somehow is almost the exact size and shape of a GW Stompa when I've never actually seen one), one/two skratch Battlewagons (one of them is rather, well, large. More of a Battlefortress, really), 3 scratch Kanz, 4 scratch Meganobz, I skratched some bodies up for some Boyz, Nobz and Tankbustas (using spare arms and heads from the boyz and Nobz boxes) 2 skratch Deffdredds (don't think I'll actually ever buy that box, except for bitz. It's just way too much fun building your own!), a Skratch Mega Armoured HQ (either Boss or Mek, depending on points and mood) and a mostly scratch KFF Mek. Everything else is Kitbashed from traded Bitz, or from one of the boxes I bought. I've bought, lets see, 1 box of Nobz, Boyz, Kanz, Tankbustas, an IG Heavy Weapons team (5 guns for 15 dollars!), a Meganob, and a Battlewagon.


Jidmah wrote:
Anvildude wrote:Buy a ton of AoBR boyz, and get real good at choppin those arms off. They're easy enough to glue back on if you decide you want Slugga boyz, but if not, you now have a clean slate for everything from Shootaboyz, to Lootaz, to Burnaboyz, to Tankbustas, and even boyz for pilotin' vehicles. A box of Boyz and a box of Loota/Burnaz gives you enough equipment for double the number of torsos.

So, how do you get the second arm off on the AOBR models if they have their arm close to their body? If I simply cut it off, it looks really ugly and my modeling skills aren't great enough to fix it with green stuff...


??? The one arm (the one that's snap-on) you can just take off. Twist it off if it's been glued. I was talking about the other arm. Use a sharp xacto knife, and work your way around it, from the shoulder-pad, down to the armpit. Don't be worried about taking too much off, that's an area that's usually covered up by either the arm or the shoulder-armour anyways. Don't go too hard at first, or you risk slipping and gouging a hole into your thumb artery (I speak from experience. I think I cut a nerve there, too. Never regained feeling). But if you just ease your way around and around, slicing and pressing lightly, you should get a good chanel going. Then get a good cutting board (that is, not just a piece of cardboard or thin plastic- some thick wood or an actual rubber cutting mat), place the model face/back down, and start pressing harder with a decent angle to the blade. About 60 degrees elevation from the board. Do that to the underarm and the shoulder, then flip the model, and repeat. Keep going, the arm should get nice and loose, and then you can either rip it off and clean up the remains, or just keep cutting until it's off.

Most importantly, don't be afraid of messing up the model. You can always use it for Bitz. DO, however, be afraid of messing up yourself. Knives are dangerous.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2976150.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2976150.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
Jidmah wrote:Slightly derailing:
How come everyone sees Blood Axes as using nothing but looted imperial vehicles and weapons? Am I missing some important part of fluff here? I've even seen Blood Axe armies using nothing but imperial/space marine weapons, why should they ever do that? When I picked up the game I had the impression that they would use any means necessary to win, including strapping rokkits to their backs, tactical retreat or sneaking behind enemy lines. However, whenever anyone talks about them, they come across as imperial impersonators, even ditching ork stuff for much worse imperial stuff. Don't really read that from the fluff.

/rant of a Blood Axe warlord



The Blood Axes are an Ork clan and were the first to encounter the Imperium. During their exposure and battles they picked up many human tactics, such as using camouflage (although often it is too bright to actually disguise the Ork) and retreating when they're losing. They trade with humans for equipment and vehicles, and have even worked as mercenaries for the Imperium at times (such as the Battle at Big Toof River). All of these things lead followers of other clans to brand them as dangerously treacherous, cowardly, and downright un-Orky. Most Blood Axes are back-stabbing Kommandos. Their clan symbol is two crossed axes.

Taken from :

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Axes

Not saying that using imperial vehicles is a must, but I can see why people do.
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Anvildude wrote:

2 skratch Deffdredds (don't think I'll actually ever buy that box, except for bitz. It's just way too much fun building your own!)


Do you know MiniWarGaming? If so, Mike does an awesome set of videos where he builds a Deffdread out of random pieces and some plasticard. If you don't know MiniWargaming, you should check it out.

Also: I'm hesitant of the AoBR now.. It doesn't feature units for the Space Marines that I particularly need, none of the units are very customizable... only reasons I'm hesitant are 'cause it's extremely cheap for what's in the box and that it features two of my current armies. I may just have to take turns getting one or the other... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2977599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2977599.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Anvildude wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
Anvildude wrote:Buy a ton of AoBR boyz, and get real good at choppin those arms off. They're easy enough to glue back on if you decide you want Slugga boyz, but if not, you now have a clean slate for everything from Shootaboyz, to Lootaz, to Burnaboyz, to Tankbustas, and even boyz for pilotin' vehicles. A box of Boyz and a box of Loota/Burnaz gives you enough equipment for double the number of torsos.

So, how do you get the second arm off on the AOBR models if they have their arm close to their body? If I simply cut it off, it looks really ugly and my modeling skills aren't great enough to fix it with green stuff...


??? The one arm (the one that's snap-on) you can just take off. Twist it off if it's been glued. I was talking about the other arm. Use a sharp xacto knife, and work your way around it, from the shoulder-pad, down to the armpit. Don't be worried about taking too much off, that's an area that's usually covered up by either the arm or the shoulder-armour anyways. Don't go too hard at first, or you risk slipping and gouging a hole into your thumb artery (I speak from experience. I think I cut a nerve there, too. Never regained feeling). But if you just ease your way around and around, slicing and pressing lightly, you should get a good chanel going. Then get a good cutting board (that is, not just a piece of cardboard or thin plastic- some thick wood or an actual rubber cutting mat), place the model face/back down, and start pressing harder with a decent angle to the blade. About 60 degrees elevation from the board. Do that to the underarm and the shoulder, then flip the model, and repeat. Keep going, the arm should get nice and loose, and then you can either rip it off and clean up the remains, or just keep cutting until it's off.

Most importantly, don't be afraid of messing up the model. You can always use it for Bitz. DO, however, be afraid of messing up yourself. Knives are dangerous.


Yeah, I meant the arm that you can't just pull off. There are two kinds of bodies, one has an arm that rather easy to cut off, while the other is somewhat more complicated. I've got about 20 AOBR boyz with those hard-to-cut-off arms lying around and already messed up a couple of them. I'll try your way(save for the thumb thing), I'm still missing 3 tankbustas for a full unit.

Operate! Operate!
Still time to operate!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2978948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2978948.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! AOBR boyz, simply cause I am planning on during sluggas and choppas for the bulk of it. Orks are bad at shooting, so why pay for things I don't really need?

So my plan for this army is as follows-

Kan wall, probably 2 units of 3 kans with a deffdread in there so I have an excuse to use the dreadnaught from AOBR.

2 units of 20 boyz, each with a nob with power klaw

big mek with PK and KFF

3 deffkoptas

looted wagon with RPJ

This is 1000 exactly, so I think it is a decent starting point. Good thing is I can scratch the kans and either convert the dread from AOBR or scratch one if I get Orks from ebay, so I just need to buy something to be a looted wagon, big mek, and 20 more boys. I can get out of this with less than $200!

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2979298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2979298.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Kan walls usually run all shootaboyz, as there is not much point in running past your kanz.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2979718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2979718.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! accurate shooting. At general shooting, they're actually pretty good, if only through sheer volume. Hard to dodge a bullet when you have a solid wall of them coming your way.


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BoA.Raccoon wrote:
Anvildude wrote:

2 skratch Deffdredds (don't think I'll actually ever buy that box, except for bitz. It's just way too much fun building your own!)


Do you know MiniWarGaming? If so, Mike does an awesome set of videos where he builds a Deffdread out of random pieces and some plasticard. If you don't know MiniWargaming, you should check it out.

Also: I'm hesitant of the AoBR now.. It doesn't feature units for the Space Marines that I particularly need, none of the units are very customizable... only reasons I'm hesitant are 'cause it's extremely cheap for what's in the box and that it features two of my current armies. I may just have to take turns getting one or the other...


I saw the first video, but I can never find the rest of them... The bits where he puts it all together and paints it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2981036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2981036.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
cgmckenzie wrote: Orks are bad at shooting, so why pay for things I don't really need?

-cgmckenzie


I know not everything should be compared to a marine, as its a bit more complicated but an ork boy is as likely to inflict a St4 Ap5 shot as a bolter. but he is 6 points!
Rokkits are all over the codex and really cheap (twin-linked for 35points) and Lootas speak for themselves.

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Anvildude wrote:
BoA.Raccoon wrote:
Anvildude wrote:

2 skratch Deffdredds (don't think I'll actually ever buy that box, except for bitz. It's just way too much fun building your own!)


Do you know MiniWarGaming? If so, Mike does an awesome set of videos where he builds a Deffdread out of random pieces and some plasticard. If you don't know MiniWargaming, you should check it out.

Also: I'm hesitant of the AoBR now.. It doesn't feature units for the Space Marines that I particularly need, none of the units are very customizable... only reasons I'm hesitant are 'cause it's extremely cheap for what's in the box and that it features two of my current armies. I may just have to take turns getting one or the other...


I saw the first video, but I can never find the rest of them... The bits where he puts it all together and paints it.


I'll try to find it. I'll edit them in.


LINKS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d_JQqLFxk4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um-OQpPFzIA
(he shows his orks including the finished dread) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIL260c2d9g&playnext=1&list=PLD56685B3359851F9

EDIT: Whoops, the last two are from a dreadnaught. I forgot they're different. Still, they're useful to see for inspiration]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982440.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
KingCracker wrote:The way to look at Ork shooting is sorta like Napoleonic tactics. The musselloaders they used back then, werent really that accurate by themselves, so to counter that, youd line up your rank and file, and shot out a big ass volley at the enemy right? Its sorta like that, but a bit more Orky and louder, with an occasional wrench and screw flying past your face.


I use shoota boyz more then slugga boyz and I can tell ya from experience, you can take down some bodies with Ork shooting


I agree with all of what was just said.

When I started off I was going for a very foot slogger army with sluggas but soon found that they were dwindling and my shootas were the real stars! I use a dread bashy/ big mek list that seems to do OK. I play orks for fun mostly, but I do like to win too haha. My list is BASICALLY this:

2xBig Meks with KFF and cybork

2x 20 shootas with two big shootas and a Nob w/ PK, 'eavy armor, and bosspole

12 sluggas (soon to be shootas) that take a trukk

10 Burna Boyz who ride in the trukk on turn one and abandon the 12 boyz squad to capture a home objective or do whatever.

3x Deff Dread with 2 skorchas each (soon to be 4 dreads and one with all DCCW only!)

Looted Wagon with Boomgun

I will soon be adding ~10-20 lootas as well.

cgmckenzie wrote:I am finally at a point where my IG are solid, so I want to start Orks. They look really fun to model and paint, plus just plain ridiculous to play with. But I do have some questions before I run out and spend teeth like a dentist.

1)Looted Wagons- I saw in the codex that they can be any vehicle from any army. Do they all make the blanket change to the stats in the box or can I have some be a little more akin to their nonlooted counterparts? For example, would a looted land raider be any better than a looted rhino?

2)Along the same lines of the looting, can I use other walkers(dreads/sentinels/tau stuff) with fiddly bits added for deffdreads/kans without running into problems with TO and others? I am sure it is fine for friendly games but I want to make sure I can play in tourneys also.

3)With looting(apparently a theme I am going with ) is it better to run primarily boyz or should I get some specialists like kommandos/bikes?

I can't wait to get started on this, thanks in advance!

-cgmckenzie


In answer to these questions at the beginning,

1) I use a converted Predator that broke and was salvaged by my orks (accurate to what actually happened I guess) for my looted wagon. It's not that good, but it is super fun to use and it's hilarious.

2) I don't see why you couldnt as long as the base of the model is roughly the same. The height should be about the same as well. SM and CSM dreads are about the same height and width so it should not be a problem. In tourneys I don't know. It depends on how strict they are I'm sure. You could always have one for the tourney and convert the AOBR SM dread cheaply for your own hilarity.

3) If you are doing Kan wall then more bodies is good. They will get cover from the kans but you will be SLOOOOOOOW. My list above uses the KFFs to give a steady cover to my boyz as they advance and once they get within 18" they hunker down and blast the nonsense out of the enemy then counter charge if necessary.

(Sorry this is such a long post). In reference to your color scheme I chose to do a mix of themes. They have a sort of Bad Moonz paitn scheme but with red, orange, and black instead of yellow and black. I like the whole idea of meks and their crazy contraptions and it seems like you do as well from your questions above. Big Meks are bad in CC but they let the dreads ad kans do the fightin' for them. I have had soem success with a Warboss, but it's just a different style.

Good Luck and I hope that all helped.

-WAAAGH!!

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982471.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! IG vs Orks, and did incredibly well(IG were mine). I technically lost because my opponent faffed about until his mom came to pick him up at the start of turn 5 but he was walking into my gun line, so he would have been tabled with the next round of shooting. I have now decided that I won't be playing against kids anymore...

Anywho, I noticed he had some pretty big problems, like letting his bikes get bogged down in combat(my blobs charged him), splitting fire too much(my stuff spread out enough that he had to follow suit and made templates almost guaranteed hits), and not taking anything stompy.

His battlewagon was loaded with burna boyz but was destroyed by Commissar Yarrick, and eliminated in the same turn by a failure to kill him and being caught. 15 models + BW killed by Yarrick in a single turn. There was cheering and high fives abounded.

The solutions I am seeing for these problems is to send in support for BW's, don't get charged, and bring stompy stuff. Would looted wagons be a good support for BW or would they do alright when paired with another BW?

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2982511.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Another problem is, everyone saw Dashofpepper kill terminatorz!!! with a BW full of burnaz, so every list is fielding a weagon full of burnaz now, because they supposedly kill everything. What people fail to see, is that the burna BW works for dash because it is in the right list, with the right support. For most people burna BWs seem to be the new nob bikerz, but they are no auto-include many people claim them to be. Actually, most lists would be better without them.

+1 style points for the Yarrik move though ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983343.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983704.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! they do work, but your point was bang on, it works for him because he not only knows exactly how to use them right, but also because when you fighting against say, his BW, your not fighting JUST the BW, theres something else near by that will come at the attacks. If you charge into his monoliths to pop them, well not only are they all shooting you, but OH theres a Ctan popping out of the wood works to kick your face in as well. Hes a clever one


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BoA.Raccoon wrote:Yarrick is a beast. I just wish his face was less.. umm.. you know



Less taking a massive pooh?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2983715.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
KingCracker wrote:
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Less taking a massive pooh?


We'll put it that way ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984627.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984691.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh!
Jidmah wrote:Well, you are not going to stay Prince Charming after Ghazghkull Thrakka stomped you into the marble floor of a citadel.


And your face is rotting due to the ash and chemicals and smoke and CRAP that is all over Armaggeddon etc.

AS for burnaz I personally LOVE them. I used burnas with mixed results yesterday but that was mostly because i was fighting nurgle and their T5 and FNP just makes them a lot less effective. Even on the charge with power weapons they can't cut enough down sometimes. BUT I have had great success when fighting squishier things and even small units of SM and terminators. When they have to make 30+ saves there are going to be some 1s and 2s.

I have a trukk instead of a BW for some reason but I plan on getting one soon. To address the problem with keeping the BW alive i;d say use KFF Big Meks. Giving your BW's a 4+ save is invaluable when they need to get right in the face of someone.

Something stompy never hurts haha. If you do kan wall and footslog then get kans. I love deff dreads and will have 4 in my list + a Looted Wagon for the lolz.

-WAAGH!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2984761.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985313.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
KingCracker wrote:Eventually I will make enough dreads to have a 5 dread list. It will be fun, but I wont really be expecting to auto win anything. This is the type of list I dont really plan on winning with, more like, if I smash up 2 landraiders, or that lith and that unit or whatever, then I win in my mind


If your army looks awesome, it is auto-win!
5 Dread would be cool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985458.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh!
Ajroo wrote:
KingCracker wrote:Eventually I will make enough dreads to have a 5 dread list. It will be fun, but I wont really be expecting to auto win anything. This is the type of list I dont really plan on winning with, more like, if I smash up 2 landraiders, or that lith and that unit or whatever, then I win in my mind


If your army looks awesome, it is auto-win!
5 Dread would be cool.


These]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2985546.page GMT Re:Starting Ork Waagh! ID anything that can be ID'ed and Ive used one or 2 to take on characters before, depending on who the SC is, they can stand their own easy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2986205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377227/2986205.page GMT Starting Ork Waagh! SMs without any powerfists and laugh as they stupidly bash away at it. Munching about 3 a turn. Hilarious! Also, against Chaos SM have your dreads charge termies because a lot of Chaos SM players near me only use power weapons and not power fists. Bye-Bye terminators!

In my opinion the only really good counter to them is Long Fangs (which are a good counter to just about everything in the Ork list) and you will see them very often with all the people jumping on the cheese-wolf band wagon. Just gotta hope for the best. And extra armor, grot riggers, and meks are always good to keep those dredas chuggin' along.

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KingCracker wrote:That would be a fun army as well. See Orks = extreme fun. Even after all these years of their dex being out, they still have a huge variety of builds you can go with. Also, I wish I could afford the meggadread, that thing is just awesome looking


I play my Orks for lolz, but they are ALSO good. If you play the right way (i.e. like an Ork) and make Orky decisions, more often than not, things work out OK. By now means am I a tournament player, but I am not BAD at the game. And Orks are a relatively stress free army to play as becuase you can have fun and not care too much. Which I think makes you play more effectively. Short of that, if you lose, you are Orks, who cares if you lose!?

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