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HQ:
Vulkan He’stan (190 pts)

Troops:
10-man Tactical Squad w/ Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (210 pts)
10-man Tactical Squad w/ Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (210 pts)

Elites:
Dreadnought w/ Multi-melta, CCW, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod w/ locator beacon (160 pts)
5-man Assault Terminators w/ TH/SS, Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi-Melta (460 pts)
Dreadnought w/ two Twin-Linked Autocannons (125 pts)

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Squadron: 3 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (210 pts)
Land Speeder Squadron: 2 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (140 pts)
Land Speeder Squadron: 2 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (140 pts)

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Vulkan and his hammer time troops run up with the rhinos following behind. Rifle dread is sipping tea. Dread drops and hopefully the droppod lasts for the squadrons to come in.

Speeders drop unlease alot of death....

I would be scared of this list mainly due to any AV being threatened + their threat range.

However, I dont feel like the rifle dread fits in the list. I would rather see more terminators and another speeder... but its hard to put those points somehwere else.

(dropping down to 1750, loose the rifle dread and add 1 more termy- > donzo) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2964209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2964209.page GMT DS-ing the speeders might work too. It takes some heat off the LRC making it more survivable and would be in the opponent's face on the next turn if not dealt with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2966393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2966393.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968629.page GMT
- GK's with their silly increased str bolters
- IG that get first turn (DS speeders in this case)
- High mobility and lists that can hunker down in cover with some str 7+ weapons.
- a bad round of shooting

As a blood angel player the list which I could potentially run normally to ruin your day would be.

DoA angels with meltas, it becomes a game of reserve rolls and deep striking which the BA have a advantage on.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968936.page GMT tac squads with scout squads in MM or HF armed LS storms might emphasize your point. The sergeant can be given a combi-weapon to take advantage of vulcan's rules. Gives you some stealth/outflanking capability too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968973.page GMT
Also two troops is a little light unless you combat squad them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2968995.page GMT tac squads.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2970225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2970225.page GMT MMs or HF in front of opponent), so technically it's not an alpha strike list.

Rifleman is there mainly because I have a model, and I have spare 130 pts. Yes, he's trying to compensate for the lack of long range AT and I know he wouldn't be enough (compared to say, two Autolas preds) but at least there's long range AT?

Let me also add that this list is an evolution of a list I made early on, so there are elements (like the rifleman dread) that might've made sense on the following list but not on the speeder spam:


HQ:
Vulkan He’stan (190 pts)

Troops:
10-man Tactical Squad w/ Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (210 pts)
10-man Tactical Squad w/ Meltagun, Multi-Melta, Rhino (210 pts)

Elites:
Dreadnought w/ Multi-melta, CCW, Heavy Flamer, Drop Pod w/ locator beacon (160 pts)
5-man Assault Terminators w/ TH/SS, Land Raider Crusader w/ Multi-Melta (460 pts)
Dreadnought w/ two Twin-Linked Autocannons (125 pts)

Fast Attack:
Land Speeder Squadron: 1 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (70 pts)
Land Speeder Squadron: 1 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (70 pts)
Land Speeder Squadron: 1 speeder w/ Multi-Melta and Heavy Flamer (70 pts)

Heavy Support:
Predator w/ Autocannon, lascannon sponsons (120 pts)
Predator w/ Autocannon, lascannon sponsons (120 pts)

(45 points remains unspent)

So which list would be better?
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My Iron Clad has a CCW, seismic hammer, HF, melta & assault launcher. Makes him a real assault threat with some close range punch with the melta and HF... so he's *never* ignored if I place him right. And that HF can really make a difference if he survives late into the game. Even with all of this he frequently dies very early, but my opponents usually have to expend a considerable amount of effort to take him out, which relieves the pressure on the rest of my army.

Best of luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2973869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/377468/2973869.page GMT