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				<description><![CDATA[ I am in a game next week teaming with a 2500 point Ork list and we are facign off against a 5.5k mix of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> and Sm (Blood Angels and Red Scorpions)<br /> <br /> My Team mate will be taking:<br /> <br /> warboss with powerklaw - 105<br /> 7 nobz, painboy - 235<br /> big mek with kustom forcefield - 90<br /> 3 man biker squad - 110<br /> 12 boyz in trukk - 162<br /> 12 boyz in trukk - 162<br /> 12 boyz in trukk - 177<br /> 30 boyz (probs in skullhamma) - 220<br /> 3 deffkoptas - 180<br /> 10 burnaz in trukk - 210<br /> 3 killakanz - 175<br /> 5 lootas - 75<br /> Skullhamma - 400<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Here is what i was thinking of taking as primarily anti armour and long range support (thinking the orks will take care of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> aspect)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, Wings, lash   - 155<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MoTF</span> on Bike (chaos conversion)   - 165<br /> <br /> 5 Plague Marines - 2 Meltas, Rhino (Combi melta)   - 180<br /> 5 Plague Marines - 2 Meltas, Rhino (Combi melta)   - 180<br /> 5 Plague Marines - 2 Meltas, Rhino (Combi melta)   - 180<br /> 10 Berzerkers - Sjull Champion (power axe), Land Raider   - 490<br /> <br /> 3 Obliterators   - 225<br /> Defiler - extra <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(571);'>DCCW</span>   - 150<br /> Defiler - havoc Launcher   - 165<br /> Brass Scorpion   - 400<br /> Basilisk   - 150<br /> 5 Havocs - 2 Missile Launchers, 2 Lascannons   - 145<br /> Doomsday Device   - 400<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I was thinking of dropping the Termeis in favour of a 400 point Doomdday Device.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Praxiss]]></author>
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				<title>help required with a 2500 CSM apoc lis</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ YES!! The doomsday device is thee most awesome thing to use in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(7);'>Apoc</span>. I had three in the last game I played.<br /> <br /> Why do you have a Basilisk and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MoTF</span>? You are playing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> right?<br /> <br /> Other than that your model count seems really low. You have around 30 guys on the board, and in a 2500 pt game thats small. I mean you should be able to take out 3 trukks and a BW with your Oblits, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span>, and Havocs. And with the amount of Pie Plates you're throwing out the other infantry is gonna be hard pressed to survive. My only oncern is that whats gonna happen if they reach you?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:51:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think you misunderstood.   I am teamign with the Orks.     We are playing against a mix of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>.<br /> <br /> <br /> hence the low model count, my ork teammate is taking a bucket full of infantry so i am providing anti-armour.<br /> <br /> I am indeed playing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSm</span> but as it is <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(7);'>Apoc</span> and i am playing Iron Warriors i thought the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MOTF</span> woudl work as a fluffy <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choice.  PLus i have 3 Bassies that i never get to use.<br /> <br /> i haven't actually finished making the Doomsday Device yet, how do you find they perform in game?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:55:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Praxiss]]></author>
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				<title>Re:help required with a 2500 CSM apoc lis</title>
				<description><![CDATA[  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> and then  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> and then  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> again.<br /> <br /> Now it makes sense. Umm yeah so...<br /> <br /> I like the Basilisk and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(384);'>MoTF</span> idea with being <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span>. That makes sense. I just didn't know what was going on, cause <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(76);'>IW</span> was a 4th ed thing. Knowing this makes the list seem totally fine.<br /> <br /> As far as the Doomsday Device goes, its really hit or miss. If you're lucky it'll go off on turn one. Its usually gonn take till turn three. Other than that, once its activated its hilarious to use. Just be careful in case you roll a 2 or 12. Also remember that it has three structure points, so don't be afraid to maybe put it out in the open a bit. I've always wanted to lure people close to it then rolling a 12 and killing everything.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:26:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah the plan (assuming i can get it finished in the next wek or so) is to put it on some raised terrain for <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span> but also quite central to amke the most of the potentially HUGE blast if/when it goes up in flames.<br /> <br /> Do you think it is worth dropping the Termies and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> in favour of the Device?]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:52:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its up to you. With the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(87);'>LR</span> you will have a working unit on the board from the get-go. With the device you're gonna have to wait and theres still no gaurentee. If and when it goes off it'll do some damage for sure. The question is which unit would you prefer.<br /> <br /> I took three of tem in a 75k game. And we played for over 18 hours and only got to the bottom of turn three. So I didn't get to use it too much. But the few times I got to it was always good.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:05:21]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Billie_Joe]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hmmmm, i think wehave agreed to up the points cost so i can take the Device.  they are going to borrow my Shadowsword so they get something nasty to play with as well.<br /> <br /> <br /> With that in mind i am now thinking of ditching the terminators anf fillign the Raider with Berzerkers instead.  I figure i've got enough anti-tank so losing 2 chain fists and 2 combi meltas wont make too much of a difference.<br /> I've updated the above list to show the changes.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:54:46]]> GMT</pubDate>
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