http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GT, and especially one on the level of Nova Open, it's better for full mech.

HQ
Eldard
Autach with fusion gun.

Elites
5 Fire Dragons
-DT Wave Serpent, TL Scatter, Spirit Stones
5 Fire Dragons
-DT Wave Serpent, TL Scatter, Spirit Stones

Troops
5 Dire Avengers
5 Dire Avengers
10 Storm guardians, 2 Flamers Warlock, Destructor
-DT Wave Serpent, TL Scatter, Spirit Stones
10 Storm guardians, 2 Flamers Warlock, Destructor
-DT Wave Serpent, TL Scatter, Spirit Stones

Fast Attack
2 Vypers, EML
1 Vyper, EML

Heavy
Falcon, EML
Falcon, EML
3 War Walkers, 2 EML.

Total 1999

I have the Autarch in there so I can reserve and alpha strike because reserves are gonna' be on 3+. And we all know why Eldard is in there too.

This list has 12 vehicles, 6 AV12, and 6 AV 10. 9 of those can turbo boost too, so that's always great for late objective contests.

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2979189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2979189.page GMT EMLs on your vypers to scatter lasers to save a little bit of points too. With their BS 3 you won't be hitting too much with the EMLs]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2980819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2980819.page GMT DA's to get to where their going, disembark and unleash a bladestorm.

Other notes put all of the Vypers into one squad and instead of usingscatter laser as helvost suggested id use Shuriken cannons. Sure they dont get as many shots but the fact that they pin as well is a huge help. Final note. in my opinion falcons are only really worth the point if they are carrying something so if i were you i would switch them for fire prisms with holofields. the combined large blast kills marines on a 2+ and the S10 blast/ 2 S9 blasts will rip open any armour that the fire dragons miss out on.

hope this helps ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2981016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2981016.page GMT MEQ squad(10 wounds), but the dire avengers won't be able to shoot next turn, but the guradians can still assault with double the attacks, and the power to take out vehicles with a STR 9 witchblade. Although Dire Avengers have better stats and a better armor save, I still like my guardians. And that's only against 5 man T4 squads. However the guardians can do a lot more damage against hordes, because they shoot at more of them with the templates.

2. I don't want to put all of the vypers in one squad. I want to be able to turbo boost for different objectives. There is 2 vypers in one squad, so that can help them survive on kill points. I also like to have the missiles, because of the physiological effect they have on the enemy because I can move 12 inches and fire, there's this whole bubble of fear that people have, not to mention I can also fire it as a frag, which can help with BS.

3. Falcons are good, and thats why the 5 man dire avengers are in the transports. There good for objectives and stuff.

4. Shuriken Cannons aren't pinning. I'm not sure where you got that idea. Are you thinking of Shrieker cannons, the death jester weapon?



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2984842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2984842.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2985116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2985116.page GMT The vehicles are overpriced and troops are meh.
If you want to be competitive, take an MSU army with lots of Serpents.
Eldrad is not really needed, a Farseer with runes of warding should suffice.
How about a Seer Council to take on nasty enemy units?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2985143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2985143.page GMT
A seer council could be good, but I'm not going to put them on jetbikes, because I don't have the moniez to buy them or the actual desire to have them. But I would be okay with an on foot on in a Serpent. What would you recommend I drop so that I can have one?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2991339.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2991339.page GMT and 8 Warlocks (2x embolden, 1x enhance).
This is the standard loadout which I'm using.
Its a bit more challenging to play but also more rewarding.
Eldrad is probably not the best leader of a Council since he cannot FoF.
I'd drop one unit of Storm Guardians, one Vyper, and replace Eldrad by a Fortuneseer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2991639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2991639.page GMT
From there I could drop 1 of the vyper for a 5 man dire avenger sqaud. No transport just a backfield objective holder. I wouldn't less than 4 troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2992601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2992601.page GMT RTT with just 2 troops: 2x10 DA mounted in Serpents.
But a GT is certainly a different dimension.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2994641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/2994641.page GMT Less troops or more of a close combat punch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/3002449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/378251/3002449.page GMT