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				<description><![CDATA[ here is my list for a upcoming tourney let me know what you think<br /> <br /> 1 terminator lord with mark of nurgle and plague bringer daemon weapon<br /> 4 terminators with mark of nurgle 2 combi-melta and 2 combi-flamers<br /> <br /> 7 plague marines<br /> rhino<br /> <br /> Kharn<br /> 8 berzerkers<br /> 1 champ with fist<br /> rhino<br /> <br /> 9 berzerkers<br /> 1 champ with fist<br /> rhino<br /> <br /> 10 lesser daemons<br /> <br /> 3 defilers w heavy flamer and extra combat arm<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 25 Jun 2011 06:19:50]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> need some special weapons. Either 2x Melta or Plasma, just something. Also I hope you gave your Zerker Champs Icons cause if not then only your Temies can summon those Daemons, which aren't that good. Switch them out for...anything.<br /> <br /> I like the idea of 3 Defis, but you have close to zero long range anti-tank. Yes a S8 AP3 large blast is good, but when it scatters its useless. If you're dead set on useing three all the more power to ya, I'd just recommend having RACs instead of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(336);'>HF</span> since I think you have enough crowd control anyway.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:59:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>7 plague marines<br /> rhino</div></blockquote>I'll second Billie Joe's advice, two special weps are a must. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MGs</span>.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>Kharn<br /> 8 berzerkers<br /> 1 champ with fist<br /> rhino<br /> 9 berzerkers<br /> 1 champ with fist<br /> rhino</div></blockquote>The rhinos ought to have EA to ensure delivery of Kharne and crew.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>10 lesser daemons</div></blockquote>Like BJ indicated, you'll need a few more icons for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LDs</span>.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:46:54]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Brothererekose]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Take out the demons and Plagues, and put in 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> Dreads, since you already have 3 Defilers. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:00:16]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i gave them a icon i just forgot to put it on the list i posted. I played the list last night against space marines and was crushed thoroughly. i seem to do well against most armies except vanilla marines which i have never beaten i have tied a few times. I seem to be doing really well with my Daemons army against the same people which is making me want to switch up my list all together to mirror something closer to it. I love my defilers but armor 12 is so easy to pop it seems like taking multiple would models would make more sense. Also I love Kharn but he gets insta-killed way to easily without eternal warrior. So here is my revamped list let me know what you think.<br /> <br /> 2 Daemon Prince w/ wings and lash<br /> <br /> 3 obliterators<br /> 3 obliterators<br /> 2 obliterators<br /> <br /> 7 plauge marines w/ melta and flamer<br /> 1 champ w/ combi melta and powerfist<br /> rhino w/ combi-melta and extra armor<br /> <br /> 9 Khorne Berzerkers<br /> 1 champ w/ powerfist and melta bombs<br /> rhino w/ extra armor and combi-melta<br /> <br /> 9 Khorne Berzerkers<br /> 1 champ w/ powerfist and melta bombs<br /> rhino w/ extra armor and combi-melta<br /> <br /> i can also drop a few oblits for some more troops if needed or lesser daemons.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 26 Jun 2011 15:50:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ caim]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>7 plauge marines w/ melta and flamer<br /> 1 champ w/ combi melta and powerfist<br /> rhino w/ combi-melta and extra armor</div></blockquote>Make the special weps the same to focus the unit's purpose. I'd go all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MGs</span>. Why EA on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span>' rhino? Eh, it is not a major thing. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> But it's points that could be spent on another troop **(see below).<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>9 Khorne Berzerkers 1 champ w/ powerfist and melta bombs rhino w/ extra armor and combi-melta<br /> <br /> 9 Khorne Berzerkers 1 champ w/ powerfist and melta bombs rhino w/ extra armor and combi-melta</div></blockquote>You could save points on the Melta-bombs as he already has a PFist, which will be <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>STR</span> 9 on the charge if you're hitting AV14. <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>caim wrote:</cite>i can also drop a few oblits for some more troops if needed or lesser daemons.</div></blockquote>As has been discussed, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(82);'>LDs</span> will need points spent on icons <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> And you're right, in that another troop is needed (for competitive 1850). KhorneBs tend to get too busy and maybe not be able to do objective duty after assaults *however*, don't look to cut the Oblits yet-- <br /> <br /> My 1850 list is close to yours (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>):<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> crew x7 w/ 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>pgs</span><br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> crew x7 w/ 2 flamers, rhino<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(527);'>KB</span> crew x10 w/ 2 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span>-pistols, Skull Champ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(486);'>PW</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(254);'>MBs</span>, rhino EA/blades<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> x9 w/ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, Lash Sorcerer, rhino EA (Did I have a Pfist Champ here? I don't think so <img src="/s/i/a/8f7b3f87df347f2cf6c1e7d5e119a067.gif" border="0">  Been a while ... hmm).<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> wings/lash<br /> 8 oblits<br /> <br /> So, I think you should keep the oblits. With 2 lashes it makes for a great list. Instead, trim all the combis and rhino upgrades (but keep EA for the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(527);'>KB</span> rhinos). I don't have Champs in my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> crews, because I generally keep them out of h2h, letting the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(527);'>KB</span> unit and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> do the assault duty. The walking <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PMs</span> pick a close objective and use the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(329);'>PGs</span> on incoming enemies. The others only pick on weakened targets.<br /> <br /> **<br /> As pricy as a Aspiring Champion is, an Oblit is just a few more points, and look at what you keep over the Asp/ Champ:<br /> Many guns, PFist *and* T-Armor  <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> It makes more sense to me to cut out the Champions in favor of Oblits.]]></description>
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