Billie_Joe wrote:It looks like it would be fun to play with/against. The only thing I can see that would help is if you gave the Champs PF instead of PW. Right now the only thing that can really deal w/ any high T models is Typhus. The PF will help give the squads a little more versatility. Also they should have IoCG. We can get over run unlike our "loyal" brothers, so having that re-roll really helps out.

Otherwise good luck man.

Commissar Typhus wrote:Hey dakka, been having some difficulty working with a CSM mech list but with Iron Warrior theme.

1st List

HQ
Typhus 225

Elites
Chaos Terminators 180
4 models 240 (LR)
3x LC
LC & HF
Slaanesh
Land Raider w/ Possession

Troops 235 x 3 = 705
CSM Squad x3
9 models & 1 Aspiring Champion w/ PW
2x Meltagun
Rhino

Heavy Support
Vindicator w/ Possession 145

Total 1495

Few things:
I know I could take Abbaddon over Typhus for 50 points but I love Typhus (plus, he hasnt failed 13 times to destroy the Imperium).

I have been thinking of taking out the Aspring Champions, replace them with a regular marine, drop the 3rd CSM Squad, then add another Possessed Vindicator and 2x Obliterators.

I don't want to do Plauge Marine spam, I find it unattractive.

C&C welcome

B-DWAGGG wrote:
Typhus is....ok... but there is alot bettter HQs....AKA DPs lol.

Also whats with the LCs and HF on the termis, you could just run them naked and they'd almost just as good for MUCH less points, which would free up more modles to b added to ur amry and remember more marines=more wounds the enemy has to make on you.

LRs in my experince have been 260pts worth of a bullet magnet. lol. They do good versus armies that dont have good anti-mech, but vs Tau and DE and the likes might as well not even feild the thing. The only LR I've feilded I thought actually worth the points is a BT LRC filled with TH/SS Termis lol.

Regular CSM arnt very bad, but I'd rather have cult troops. I understand your trying for a Iron Warriors themed list, but whatever man when a Plauge Marine is as good as it is idc if I'm playing a themed list there getting put in there lol.

vindis I've heard are good with Demonic possesion, I've never run one before, so I have zero experience with it, just going off what I've heard lol.

And considering ur calling this an Iron Warriro themed army you are really lacking in vehicles, from what I understand the whole thing about Iron Warriors is they use a rediculous amount of vehicles with seige style tactics.

mercer wrote:Obliterators are cool and multi purpose but if you need weight of fire go Havocs. They are 155 points for 4 missile launchers which is 5 points more than normal Marine Devs and only 5 points more for 2 Oblits which have less ranged fire power.

mercer wrote:Obliterators are cool and multi purpose but if you need weight of fire go Havocs. They are 155 points for 4 missile launchers which is 5 points more than normal Marine Devs and only 5 points more for 2 Oblits which have less ranged fire power.

Dreads are cool you just need to know how to use them right. Take a missile launcher and if firing at your own vehicles fire a frag.

Chosen don't have to outflank, I found were great for Rhino saturation. At 2k I had six Rhinos moving up the board which was great.

Commissar Typhus wrote:@mercer

that list comes out to 1120, but overall i think you are right as that would be better. I will probley add in oblits but what next? HS is all used up and Im going with an Iron Warriors theme so its got to be siege-y, and i dont trust dreads as ive seen them kill their own friends plenty of times. Either more Plauges or outflanking Chosen? I heard outflanking Chosen in a rhino work pretty well.

@B-DWAGG

I guess I will be getting Plauges after all, might just use regualr CSM models and count as, i kinda hate the actual Plauge model, plus it cost a little $$$ lol.

mercer wrote:No worries. I guess you've read Storm of Iron (awesome book!) there's Havocs in there blasting this bunker to pieces.

Commissar Typhus wrote:

mercer wrote:No worries. I guess you've read Storm of Iron (awesome book!) there's Havocs in there blasting this bunker to pieces.

lol yeah that was a great book. Even though there were only 3 Havocs in the entire army lol. That book was actually the inspiration for my guard army lol.

@B-DWAGGG

Idk, i might be able to get away with a mechanical look if I put a lighter silver on some parts of the CSM and spare mech bits, might get to show the augmetics to give that +1 toughness and FNP

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

B-DWAGGG wrote:

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

Yeah....they arnt really worth 240 pts, but they feel that way sometimes just mowing through things and aborbing all those shots lol. Except missle spam. That kills them turn one.

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

mercer wrote:

B-DWAGGG wrote:

DP is definetly the best HQ choice in the codex. And one of the best choices in the whole book for any slot lol. (just justifying my undying love of DPs lol)

Daemon Princes are the best HQ choice in the codex. You just exaggerate how good they are. They are definately not worth 240 points. And in 2k games and any other games Princes come in pairs, not singles.

Yeah....they arnt really worth 240 pts, but they feel that way sometimes just mowing through things and aborbing all those shots lol. Except missle spam. That kills them turn one.

They don't really asborb much fire power either. Standard they are T5 3+ armour save so mass bolters could take some wounds off, they are only 4 wounds as well. Anyone would be blasting them with AP2 fire such as lascannons, plasma cannons and even missile launchers to force the invulnerable which at beast is 4+.

What Princes are awesome for is a very cheap monstrous creature which is great for mashing normal infantry i.e Guardsmen, Tactical Squads etc. It cannot duke it out with dedicated c.c units i.e Terminators nor can it survive in attrition against hordes.

Praxiss wrote:When i do rust i do a light stipple of Dark Flesh over the base colour of the model (so for IW paint all the boltgun/silver armour etc, then apply the rust effect). once that is dry i do a drubrush of Blazing Orange over the edges/bolts/rivets etc.

Here's an exampel of how my last effort turned out (the rust effect was doen over a base coat of Tin Bitz)