<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK UK seems to be using webways a lot more. A post by stu on another forum indicated he would be incorporating them into his list soon. I will post the two lists here for the interest of all Dakkites:

Stuart Robertson Dark Eldar 40k Masters 2010 1750pts

HQ 1: Baron Sathonyx
HQ 2: Haemonculi, Shatter Shard

Elite 1: 5 Incubi

Troops 1: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 2: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 3: 5 Wyches, Haywire Grenades, Hek, Agoniser
Troops 4: 3 Wracks
Troops 5: 3 Wracks
Troops 6: 20 Hellions

Heavy Support 1: Ravager, Flickerfield
Heavy Support 2: Ravager, Flickerfield
Heavy Support 3: Void Raven, 3 Shatter Missiles, Toxin Missile , Flickerfield

Transport 1: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 1
Transport 2: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 2
Transport 3: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 3
Transport 4: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 4
Transport 5: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Troop 5
Transport 6: Venom, Extra Splinter Cannon, Transports Elite 1

[TOTAL POINTS – 1,750]

Gaz Jones Dark Eldar 40k Masters 2010 1750pts

HQ 1.1: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 1.2: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 1.3: Haemonculi, Webway Portal
HQ 2.1: Haemonculi
HQ 2.2: Haemonculi
HQ 2.2: Haemonculi

Elite 1: 9 Incubi
Elite 2: 3 Kabalite Trueborn, 2 Dark Lances
Elite 3: 3 Kabalite Trueborn, 2 Dark Lances

Troops 1: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 2: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 3: 10 Wyches, Haywire Grenades
Troops 4: 3 Wracks
Troops 5: 3 Wracks
Troops 6: 3 Wracks

Heavy Support 1: Ravager, Grisly Trophies
Heavy Support 2: Ravager, Grisly Trophies
Heavy Support 3: Ravager, Grisly Trophies

Transport 1: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 4
Transport 2: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 5
Transport 3: Raider, Grisly Trophies, Transports Troop 6

[TOTAL POINTS – 1,750]

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3001745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3001745.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK DE list would have its way with his list, Gaz as well seems like it would suffer against a mech DE list, and badly at that...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3001840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3001840.page GMT Re:Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK IC could jack their pain token and then they could hang out in back together and maybe score on a rear objective, but....there's really not enough room in the transports for such shennanigans.

If this was just some list that got posted, I'd probably offer several changes, but maybe I'm just not understanding how they're supposed to work]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3002743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3002743.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3003553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3003553.page GMT Re:Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK WWP on T2 and all your CC starts to come in using them from reserve. This is backed up by the firepower on the board. Having the troops reserved keeps them from being jibbed early in objectives games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004284.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
I think the Wracks are cheap objective scoring units while the Hellions make a possible a moving shield for the Venoms behind.

Second list the Haemonculus I think will split up (can they do that?) and join units to give pain tokens, but only can join the Incubi and Trueborn as I suspect the Wytches will be in a Raider. Though I really think the transports will start empty and everything come on the board via web way portal while the transports just act to add dark lances.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004455.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004534.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK UK than in Canada/USA. The first list has, not counting Haywire Grenades, eight anti-tank weapons. That's enough to, on average, get about one roll on the glance/pen chart after cover saves each turn. The second list has 16, which I think is barely enough for 1750 points.

Obviously, they're doing well over there with these lists. I wonder if the heavily mechanized lists prevalent on this side of the pond are as common in merry old England....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004549.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK DE players because the other 2 DE players in the UK are in the process of selling their army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004550.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK WWP's in a list seems like wasted points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004657.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
Agree on the WWPs. I really don't get what they're for in that list, especially noting the lack of Beastmasters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004737.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
Skill as a general probably has a lot to do with their records.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004747.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK WWPs - I think 2 should suffice here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004785.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004865.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

What list do we find there? Less mech, less spam, less competitive?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004882.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
wuestenfux wrote:
mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

What list do we find there? Less mech, less spam, less competitive?


Or more imaginative/willing to try out new tactics? Or better generals? Maybe the internet is a lie?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004986.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.
Phototoxin wrote:Wracks = cheap tough access to a transport?
Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference

Hahahaha oh why am I not suprised.

That's what 500 points more looks like, people.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004995.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3004995.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
terranarc wrote:
mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.


Forum or spam lists aren't anything to do with skilled play, people just believe that. They still can be used wrong if the tactics aren't right. Spam lists just find something good and repeatively take it. Though this is another discussion altogether. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005074.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005074.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005075.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005079.page GMT Re:Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK ETC is a Team Tournament comprised of Players from various nations from around Europe and the World. Last year the United States was supposed to be a major contender and pretty much sweep the tournament. In reality, this was not the case and team USA placed 5th overall. The results for other nations can be seen in following this link:

http://www.rankingshq.com/etc/tournamentprofile.aspx?EtcId=2&GameSystemId=3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005198.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK if you notice, there are a lot of grisly trophies on the transports in the second list. I belive th wracks are just a cheap option for a transport. And with everything having grisley trophies, cc units that take heavy damage in theturn after they win combat won't run, and can get into an empty transport for a 18+ inch assault instead of getting eaten by fire. 12 splinter cannon shots don't hurt either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3005435.page GMT Re:Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3006194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3006194.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3006209.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3006209.page GMT Lists of Top 2 DE players in UK
terranarc wrote:
mercer wrote:I think you'll find here in the UK tournament lists are nothing like lists you see here on forums.

TBH, I've always though of forum lists as lists that aren't meant for skilled play. They usually revolve around wargear spam like veterans in chimera spam, psycannon spam, razorback spam, this spam, that spam. Also, all of them always seem to be built around a map is completely barren with no cover where all units will be able to fire but deal mathhammer damage.
Phototoxin wrote:Wracks = cheap tough access to a transport?
Also in the UK games are typically 1000-1750 whereas in the US its 1500-2250 which makes a big difference

Hahahaha oh why am I not suprised.

That's what 500 points more looks like, people.

Absolutely great. Lol. I was always wondering why they play at higher pt levels in the States.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3008093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379464/3008093.page GMT