<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
- Grey Seer, Talisman of Preservation, Ironcurse Icon, Dispel Scroll (315)

- Warlock Engineer, lvl2, Doomrocket (130)
- Chieftain, Battle Standard, halberd, Charmed Shield, Foul Pendant (107)

- 44 Clanrats, shields, musician, standard (210)
- 44 Clanrats, shields, musician, standard (210)
- 44 Slaves, musician (90)
- 44 Slaves, musician (90)
- 5 Giant Rats, packmaster (23)

- 6 Gutter Runners, Poisoned Attacks, slings (108)
- 6 Rat Ogres, 4 packmasters, Master-bred Rat Ogre (287)

- Warp Lightning Cannon
- Warp Lightning Cannon
- Hell-Pit Abomination, warpstone spikes (250)

Total: 2000
Fortitude: 5
Model Count: 204

The Seer goes in one unit of Clanrats, the Engineer and the BSB go in the other. Cannons where they'll cause damage and be sorta' safe, A-bomb on the soft flank, Rat Ogres on the other. Usually. I'm a little worried about whether or not I'm bringing enough bodies to the table.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3067382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3067382.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3069215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3069215.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Beyond that, I feel like putting him with a handful of models would just make his 315pts seem all the tastier. I'd gladly spend a turn of shooting or magic to nab nearly 500pts and ex-off a lvl4 caster.

I see what you mean, though. I just can't think of any way to protect him without spending too many points, or without giving too many up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3070961.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3070961.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted CC). 30 of them (with better survivability than 44 CRs) with FC will cost just under what you are paying for rat ogres. I just can't bring myself to bring ROs. I just don't see how they are making up for their cost without bringing a whole horde of them. Also, that's a lot of packmasters...don't you only need one per every three? dropping them down to two gives you points for four more clanrats, which is better protection for your grey seer in this setup. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076024.page GMT Re:Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076443.page GMT Re:Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
hulksmash1964 wrote:with 6 rat ogres you can have a maximum of 3 packmasters. 4 packmasters makes your current set-up illegal.


Not sure if you still can, but the 2 initial rat ogres you got 2 Pack masters, so he added 2 on making it 4.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3076548.page GMT Re:Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted OP could only have a maximum of 3 packmasters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077268.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Can anyone quote me on this?
I'm using an iPod to be on here...



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077344.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077344.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Q. Can I take a unit consisting of 2 Rat Ogres and 2 Packmasters
when I pick an army? (p104)
A. Yes.

@spyguyyoda: I'm not deluding myself. A clanrat isn't tough, but a big ol' block of them is. Clanrats have a 5+/6+ in CC. Stormvermin have WS4 and a 5+. Against almost everything, the Clanrats are more survivable.

6 Rat Ogres will bring 21 S5 attacks at I4 and 3 stomps to the table. 30 Stormvermin (less survivable than clanrats, when you consider unit size) bring...WS4 S4.

Also, 4 packmasters means that Ld5 and Stupid will hopefully not happen until after the initial charge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077672.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted CC they hide in the back rank. Unless they are master moulders they are not champions.

If you give SV shields, they have a 4+ against shooting. The shield will be useless in CC, so 5+ and no parry. CR will have 5+ 6++...against less than half of the units out there. Most things have a way of being at least str4. So both SV and CR will have 6+ armor saves...the thing is, WS4 means you will hit more often (since the majority of basic units are WS3), and because skaven usually hit first (except against elves, in which case the extra WS doesn't help much anyways), there are fewer models left to hit back. Also, even elves will be hitting them on 4s instead of 3s. WS4 is better than a 6+ parry IMHO. This is because you will take fewer saves. I leave the choice up to you, YMMV. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3077930.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Allow me to break this down:

- Stormvermin lose 16.7% less guys to shooting than Clanrats. Stormvermin cost 77% more than Clanrats. Clanrat units are thus more durable versus shooting.

- Stormvermin are hit 16.7% less against opponents that are WS4. Clanrats save 16.7% more of close-combat wounds than Stormvermin against everything. Again, Stormvermin cost 77% more than Clanrats. Clanrat units are more durable in close combat.

Also, the Step-Up rule means that, unless I kill enough guys that I've reduced the total unit size to less than two ranks, my casualties do zero to reduce the number of attacks back.

So there you have it. Stormvermin suck on the defense. They are, however, significantly better in the chopping department. But all I'm really looking for are character bunkers, and Slaves aren't exactly made for the task.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3083832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3083832.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Perhaps I misunderstood you, but you seem to have forgotten that SV are str 4, therefore they will do more wounds, meaning that they will not always lose the all-important combat res.

Anyways, SV are indeed significantly more expensive. If your purpose is to stand back and cast magic, then Clanrats could very well be the answer, but slaves will have the same ldr and have 40% more bodies than Clanrats; well worth the difference between 5+ and 6+ vs shooting. In combat I still stand by my SV. The difference between str 3 and 4 is even more significant than the difference in their ws. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3086817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3086817.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
And I didn't forget they were S4. I mentioned that above.

My plan is to engage my opponent with bodies and ranks and a standard after weakening them with warp lightning and magic, and then to send in the Rat Ogres or the A-bomb to do the actual killing in close-combat. Stormvermin are, once again, better at killing dudes than Clanrats. But they're still not that good at it. And they are too expensive. They're not terrible, mind. Just not nearly as good as other stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3088942.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3088942.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted
Anything else, folks?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3147527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3147527.page GMT Skaven 2000pt C&C wanted http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3168572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/382808/3168572.page GMT