http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net hq choice, a lot of people have suggested kharn but i not really interested in a glass cannon, is there any other choices besides him and if there are then in what situations are they useful and what are their drawbacks

-thanks in advance]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077216.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077216.page GMT hth sledgehammer, take abaddon. He's expensive, but unlike a demon prince you can hide him in a unit.

If you want a do it all unit, take a slaanesh sorcerer with lash.

An alternative is a sorcerer with warp time, familiar and wind of chaos.

But yeah...if you want hth like most chaos players do, stick with Abaddon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077422.page GMT CC, has a force weapon, unfailable psychic attacks, termi armor and FNP.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077514.page GMT CCWs. True world eaters you know lol. Sometimes not the most effective though.....

I actually Think Abaddon is great if you have the points to spend. And if your playing nilla Chaos with marks use Fabius Bile because he can make them super deadly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3077530.page GMT DPs are in danger to get killed rather quickly.
Then I'd consider Slaaneshi Sorcerers sticking them into units (mounted in a Rhino casting the lash).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3079735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3079735.page GMT HQ you can get, bang for buck. Everyone else either costs you a land raider or is just plain crap (lucius and bile). Hit on 2's with monstrous creature stats is pretty sweet. Yeah you can kill some of your own guys too but blood for the blood god amirite?

Lucius is horrible this edition (lol as if he wasn't crap last edition too) as he can't take a retinue and your opponent can allocate his attacks. That just means that all powerfists and powerswords go his way while normal riflebutts go to everyone else. Even then, it's not like he has a reliable 2+ save or something so even if you COULD allocate tons of wounds to him, you'd risk getting him killed.
Hell, he doesn't even have a remotely impressive statline. Every single loyalist HQ and their mother has something better these days.

Bile is even worse with his DERP upgrade. You pay a hefty cost to "upgrade" your troops when you might as well take cult troops by that point. I've played bile lists and it basically ends up being a vanilla cult-less CSM list with even fewer models. Its not like your CSMs are suddenly CQC monsters or bezerkers for that cost. It'll still take you half the game to kill a squad of tactical marines.

As for typhus, wasn't impressed at all. For a 200+ points HQ, you shouldn't have to constantly be afraid of every single sergeant with a powerfist that comes your way. Or a monstrous creature with S8+ attacks. Yeah hes pretty resilient against small arms but if you paid that many points for an HQ to just soak up wounds, then somethings going wrong there. He's pretty niche imo and is decent against certain units but totally unimpressive for his cost against others.

Personally when I'm not using wing'd prince with warptime, I use terminator lord (because the model is orgamisc) but lash in a rhino sounds real sweet too. Haven't tried it yet as slannesh doesn't agree with me. My 3+ save when using slannesh units become 5+ statistically. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3080507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3080507.page GMT CC]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3081677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3081677.page GMT DP, you've basically got Abaddon and ze lash sorc if you don't want glass cannons. All the CSM HQ's except abaddon and DP's suffer from what others have mentioned- the powerfist of "you die instantly now, ha ha ha 5++ good luck!". Having a beatstick that had a good chance of one round of beating before being ID'd, kind of gets tiring/annoying when you pay 140+ for a decent CSM HQ Beatstick. Lash sorc's have utility/can slap people in melee alright, Abaddon is a beast, DP is a monsterous creature. Choose thy flavor pretty much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3081870.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3081870.page GMT IC with a real toughness of 4, not 5. So PF still insta killed. But his Force/Daemon Weapon is really cool, plus the additional Psychic powers.

As far as Lucius goes, I tried it once in a NM squad with another DS. It was a total joke, cause 2 Doom Sirens is complete over kill. Other than that he does suck, although I did hold an objective in a 75k+ apoc game with him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3082167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3082167.page GMT apoc game , ive played chaos (which i never do) i did get in charge of friends nurgle forces. Led by typhus, with some termies DS'ing. All i can tell is on paper typhus rocks, however in game he just got instant killed by lucky shot from some las can...

On the other hand, i felt in love with Kharn, other friend was in charge of Khorn units. Kharn with some zerkers decimated to 3-4 (focused titan/vendetta fire opened on their LR) cut his way trough 70+ guardsman blob (my friend has to bare dog poo in his pockets, as far his luck goes) in few turns even scored few hits on a titan...


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I will also runa chaos lord with blissgiver, MoS, and wings for fun. I run him as an assassing lord in a rhino with marines or thousand sons. He does really cool things when I have to take on pallies, nobs, and MC!

That is a glass cannon though... I normally run him with Abadon or a Lash Sorcerer. But my most used HQ are a pair of DP, lash and tzeench]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3086976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/383364/3086976.page GMT