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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "[Blood Angels][2000]"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net [Blood Angels][2000] DoA list:

Blood Angels - 2000
The Sanguinor
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius
5 Honor Guard - 4 Meltaguns, Jump Packs
5 Honor Guard - 4 Meltaguns, Jump Packs
Sanguinary Priest - Jump Pack
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
5 Vanguard Veterans - Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
Total - 2000

I believe it combines everything I like. I've got my beatstick HQ, plenty of Meltas for swatting enemy vehicles, and masses of Power Armor.

The only other (slightly more competitive) change I see is to drop the Sanguinor and one Meltagun per Honor Guard squad in favor of a 2nd Librarian and a 2nd Vanguard Veteran squad. I think I'm going to leave the list as it is though.

Thoughts?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122804.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] FNP. Also one of the biggest things the Sanquinor does is buff units close. If he is not on the board then you are losing his buffs.

Now if you are going to start with everything on the board, then that is a different story.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122866.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] IC Priests.

So in a sense, I have 3 Priests in the list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122886.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122886.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
Just something to think about.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122905.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] AM units.
I'd drop one and add another Vanguard unit plus one Priest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122948.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122948.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]

wuestenfux wrote:Well, you do not need more than 3 full AM units.
I'd drop one and add another Vanguard unit plus one Priest.

Why do you always say this? What is your thought process to back this statement up? What are the point breaks where you need a 4th Troop choice?

Not saying your wrong, just asking you to defend your position. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3122990.page GMT Re:[Blood Angels][2000]
Blood Angels
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
5 Honor Guard - 4 Plasmaguns, Jump Packs
5 Honor Guard - 3 Meltaguns, Jump Packs
2 Sanguinary Priests - Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
Total - 1995

I'm currently anti-Vanguard. I may be throwing a bit of my local meta into my reasoning here, but I don't believe they're worth the price tag. Ideally, they'll tie up an enemy heavy weapons team. In my area, that means a Dev squad here and there. If I don't DS them, I've waited the points I spent on them (as opposed to normal Assault Marines). I'm really not going to drop them in against foot Orks or Nids. With all that said, at the end of the day, they could simply scatter out of assault range entirely and they lack Meltaguns.

While I really like the Sanguinor, I have a very hard time justifying his cost. He's 275 points for T4 and only 3 wounds. Shame really. Plus, I don't believe I'll require his +1 attack or the Sergeant blessing with Unleash Rage and all the extra Marines his price tag buys running around.

5 points remaining. I could swap the 4 Plasmagun Honor Guard for 4 more Meltaguns and add the 4th Meltagun to the 2nd squad. I thought the Plasma could be really useful though. Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3124763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3124763.page GMT Re:[Blood Angels][2000]
I think you've gotten to the point where you're just tinkering, by the way. All the lists posted in this thread have been good, as far as I can tell. My suspicion is that you just need to play to figure out what works best for you in your local meta.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3124882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3124882.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
I was having a hard time justifying the cost for the Honor Guard and Vanguard Veterans, but being reminded a Priest is 75 points really put the Honor Guard in a different light in my mind.

I just don't want to pay 30 points per model for Vanguards for a mediocre ability that is descent at best and a complete waste at its worst.

I could drop one Power Fist for a Power Weapon and add the 4th Meltagun to the Honor Guard.

As opposed to 8 Meltas, you think 4 Plasma and 4 Melta on the Honor Guard are the way to go? You can see that's how I've already written the list. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3127017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3127017.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3127540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3127540.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
Blood Angels
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
5 Honor Guard - 4 Plasmaguns, Jump Packs
5 Honor Guard - 4 Meltaguns, Jump Packs
2 Sanguinary Priests - Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Weapon & Melta Bomb, Jump Packs
Total - 2000

I have considered running 2x4 Plasmas in the Honor Guard, but that requires me to drop the 2nd Priest.

Thoughts? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3130616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3130616.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
Have you considered about a Vanguard as mentioned?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3131696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3131696.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]

jbunny wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Well, you do not need more than 3 full AM units.
I'd drop one and add another Vanguard unit plus one Priest.

From play testing. Three full squads suffice even in objective based games. Then you can split the units to get up to 6 scoring units. Another reason is that AM are rather mediocre in cc. There are better choices out there like Sang Guard or Vanguard which can eventually charge upon arrival.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3131967.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3131967.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] . Plus it's also fair to say thay Sanguinary Guard cannot charge when arriving via deep strike, you need Dante to do that. Only Vanguard can assault after deep striking in the true sense. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3132014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3132014.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
Blood Angels - 2000
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
Librarian - Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Jump Pack
5 Honor Guard - 4 Plasmaguns, Jump Packs
5 Honor Guard - 4 Plasmaguns, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
10 Assault Marines - 2 Meltaguns, Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
5 Vanguard Veterans - Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
5 Vanguard Veterans - Sergeant with Power Fist, Jump Packs
Total - 1990
Models - 62

10 points to spare. I think 8 Plasmaguns and 8 Meltaguns will be a nice mix. I only have two Priests, but they can't be singled out in combat and aren't in squads that will be looking to get into combat. I'd rather put those same 75-150 points into other units. Locally, I face a lot of high strength / low AP weapons. Plus, that means I have a couple less easy KPs.

General plan is the Honor Guard devastate just about anything. With their 12" range, that gives me a bit more room for maneuverability when I opt to use DoA. Assault Squads can combat squad or not depending on my opponent and the mission. VVs will probably always be kept in Reserve and used to tie up enemy heavy weapons teams / whatnot. Librarians buff the army.

My first batch of Assault Marines should arrive Wednesday and the modeling will commence.

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3138835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3138835.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3142263.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3142263.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000]
id never combat squad the assault marines you want enough bodies to assault as well as keep the powerfist safe.

vanguard you want to deepstrike and tie up heavy stuff( depending on the army vs horde never deep strike). put melta bombs on the vanguard. if your taking 1 fist give all unit melta bombs.

for the honour guard id deepstrike them with the librarian to get them into a spot where they can us the plasma guns at a good distance.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3142804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3142804.page GMT Re:[Blood Angels][2000]
As for modelling, the one thing I'd suggest is magnetizing all backpacks and the arms of Sergeants and special weapon dudes. It's really easy. It even makes them easier to paint.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3144297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3144297.page GMT [Blood Angels][2000] http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3152082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/385877/3152082.page GMT