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League Match #1 vs Lizardmen:
Played against a good friend of mine today with my Warriors of Chaos. He ran Lizardmen which I found today are extremely sick in the Magic phase! It was my first battle vs them with my Warriors. It was my 4th game with Warriors >_>

WoC list: (mine)
Sorc Lord: Tz, Charmed, Puppet, Ironcurse Icon, Talis: Preserve
Hero: BSB, Tz, Shield, Third Eye, Book of Secrets, Dispel Scroll

41 Marauders: Khorne, Greater Wep, FC
5 Warhounds
5 Warhounds
5 Warhounds
18 Warriors: FC, Tz, Halberd, Shield, Banner of Flame
14 Warriors: FC, Tz, Shield (Sorc here)
17 Warriors: FC, Khorne, Halberds, Shields (BSB here)

Warshrine: Tz
Hellcannon
Hellcannon

Lizardmen list: (rough guess)
Slann + TG - had cupped for sure
19 skinks
2x 25 man saurus blocks with a saurus leader in each one
1 skink priest
3 razordons
2 flamer dinos
(thats all I could remember off the top of my head)

We deploy like so...

Flamer Dinos ==== Saurus Block 1 ==== TG + Slann ==== Razordons ==== Saurus Block ==== Skinks + Priest
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Dogs = Shrine = Dogs w/ Marauders behind == Khorne Wars + BSB == 2x HCs == Tz Wars + Sorc == Tz Wars == Dogs


Turn 1:
Liz - He shuffles around. Moves skinks up and shooters. Slann rolls double 1's for magic! Yes! He gets off throne and I fail to stop it on one dispel dice.
WoC - I march everything up except 1 Hellcannon that stays on a hill. Dogs on right shuffle to give my Wars soft cover. Dogs on left shuffle to give my Marauders a Screen. In the Magic Phase I get off Pandemonium and I IF Infernal Gateway on Saurus Block on the right...and...and...I roll an 11 for the Str value so they get sucked into the Realm of Chaos! :O Shooting really sucks for the HCs all game...I will probably just run them up and destroy things in combat from now on...I forgot to dispell his throne which screws over my Pandemonium + Puppet combo since he can discard miscasts on 2+ now.

Turn 2:
Liz - Ok now I start to see how scary Liz are in the magic phase. He rolls Dwellers for my Marauders and I have to dispel scroll it. I can't lose so many of them yet! He gets some buffs off on his Razordons that are going to get charged by my HC next turn. The 4+ regen save and +4 Toughness. Ouch..this isn't going to be easy for my HC anymore :( I dispel thrones at the end of the magic phase. He failed to dispel Pandemonium.
WoC - Everything marches up again. HC gets it's charge off and loses 4 wounds to the stand and shoot from the Razordons. (2 on HC and 2 lost on crew) 2 artillery dice when they stand and shoot! I do 1 wound because of their insane toughness. Ouch...Magic phase wiffs because he dispels everything. Only spell I get off is +2 T on my Marauders who will have charge range next turn.

Turn 3:
Liz - His shooting puts 2 Tz warriors down in the Flaming Banner squad. Puts 1 wound on my HC in the back. His magic rolls really low again, I think he got a 4 (2x 2s) He casts dwellers I believe on my Marauders and kills...16! Dang...
WoC - Marauders and Khorne Warriors with BSB charge and make it into the TG + Slann. Both Tz warriors on the right side both march up again, Tz warriors with the Sorc Lord turning to face off the skinks on the right and Tz Warriors with Flame Banner turning left to go help kill the Slann. I just learn that the Slann cannot be hurt by my normal attacks...ouch...I can't hurt him other than spells now! The BSB challenges and he accepts with the champion. I obliterate it. My Khorne Wars (5 got to attack) kill I think 6 or so TG. He kills 3 Marauders and 1 Warrior. My Marauders who got +1A for Khorne and +1A in my Eye of the Gods roll for my Warshrine. 3 A each at 5S WS4...ouch...I wipe out the rest of the TG the Slann is sitting with. He needs double 1's to pass LD. Was hoping he would fail LD so I could chase and kill him because now I can't "win combat" to try to kill him by chasing him down because he has nothing in his unit anything I can kill and none of my guys can touch him because of no magic weapons...He rolls double 1s! Yay...My hellcannons prey no longer has +4 T and I decimate them.

Turn 4:
Liz - My friend has an appointment to go to and hes pretty much already out of the game with so much of his stuff gone...he shuffles skinks a bit and shoots my Tz warriors that were facing them and kills 1. He shoots my Warshrine that is marked Tz and it passes all its saves. He rolls low on magic and I am able to dispel his casts. I can't hurt his Slann so we stare at each other and he does nothing.
WoC - I move my Warshrine in front of his Saurus block that is now in position to flank my Marauders side. So now he has to charge my Shrine. My 2 HC's one has only 1 W left and no crew all turn to face the Skinks. I spam Infernal Gateway on his Slann and he fails to dispel it. I roll 4 hits...at S8, and he passes all ward saves but 1. :( Again his Slann and my non magic attack guys stare at each other...

Turn 5:
Liz - Skinks kill 1 War and Slan and Wars + Marauders stare at each other some more. Shrine holds up and passes all saves.
WoC - 2x HC + Tz Wars all charge Skinks and obliterate them. Nothing dies in the stand and shoot. My BSB and Marauders and Wars just sit around...being sad that they are now stuck in combat with something they can't hurt...nothing in my army can really hurt...but...I cast Infernal Gateway again on the Slann and roll lots of hits and high Str and he fails all the saves and dies.

All that's left are the Flamer dinos and 1 block of Saurus so we call it because he has to go. Was a fun game and there was some rule misinterpretations but he was a very fun opponent and good friend. Wish he didn't have to rush to leave though so we could have talked about the match. Was only my 4th game with WoC but good game nonetheless!


Afterthoughts:

-I really like the Warshrine as being my unit I was looking for. I had filled it with Chaos Knights before and was usually disappointed. With the Shrine's lower point cost I can bulk up my Warrior units a lot more to be sturdier from shooting. In a way countering War Machines by allowing me to have more models by the time I cross the board.
-I really need to measure space between my units as I deploy. My 2 Tz warriors were stuck behind each other because I didn't have enough room to place my Flame Banner Tz Warriors between the HC and the other warrior block...
-Dogs are awesome as usual. Blocking and giving me soft covers is great. They never killed anything but for their point cost and use they were wonderful.
-I really like the 3rd Eye + Book of Secrets BSB I have. He's already great in combat but now he can jack spells and case whatevers. I was able to save a lot of Marauders by giving them Flesh to Stone from their Slann!
-One of my downfalls from my last games was probably lack of threats on the board. I ran much bigger and less blocks before. Now I have essentially 4 CC threats, 3 Warrior Blocks and 1 Marauder block. Makes it easier to do flanking tactics and the like.
-Hellcannons function the same way they normally do for me...really crappy at shooting and amazing at combat. I'm seriously thinking of just running them in from the start and never even shooting them!
-Tz Sorc Lord was amazing. I honestly have never tried Lore of Tz because of all the hype with Shadow and Heavens. I love it! Not just for the +1 casting and +1 Ward but the spells are great. Miscasts on any doubles at such a low cast is great. Panda is probably my favorite spell! Even though my Infernal Gateway absorbed an entire Saurus block on turn 1.
-Warshrine is amazing. Giving all my Champions eotgs rolls and then units later on as well. Love it! +1 A on my Marauders was just plain sick o_o They didn't even get to Horde it up!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3154914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3154914.page GMT Re:2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match BSB it is way over on pointage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3155520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3155520.page GMT 2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match Also AHW mok razor standard is nasty ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3155557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3155557.page GMT 2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match
Drop the shrine? The buff he gives to all my champions and to a single unit seemed really really awesome last game >_> Plus hes great at guarding my guys flanks! Really think he should get dropped?

Also I like the way my BSB has casting gear and 3rd eye since hes already good in CC. Why do you think he needs otherwise? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3156296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3156296.page GMT Re:2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3156445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3156445.page GMT Re:2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match
hamsterwheel wrote:Concerning your battle with the ethereal Slann. Just remember that combat resolution still happens irrelevant of whether you can hurt the Slann or not. So you would still count your banners and your rank bonus and he'd have to roll leadership minus the results.


Ya I should have thought about that. I completely forgot >_<]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157180.page GMT 2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match BSB, Tz, Shield, Third Eye, Book of Secrets, Dispel Scroll


I'm fairly certain that Exalted Heroes cannot take Arcane Items.

Could be wrong. Otherwise, nice game! I got to absorb a friends block of 40 lizards at Ard' Boyz. I felt crappy but I also got a Massacre which put me to the top of the tourney.

Good times.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157582.page GMT 2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match
The AHW with razor standard and mok put out 4 attacks a guy str 4 ap that takes away light armor and shield and heavy armor and reduces heavy armor and shield to 6+ save.

That would drop the lizards to what 6+ save and a parry save.
I belive math hammer says halberds beat ahw but seeing the combo is kind of scary.

Also maybe want a power familiar on the lord 1 extra pd is always nice to have.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157624.page GMT Re:2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match
.superted. wrote:not wanting to spoil it for you but just looking at your BSB it is way over on pointage.


Why is he over points? Looks legit to me. 50 points of magic items and 25 points of gifts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3157898.page GMT Re:2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match
Skelly wrote:
.superted. wrote:not wanting to spoil it for you but just looking at your BSB it is way over on pointage.


Why is he over points? Looks legit to me. 50 points of magic items and 25 points of gifts.


sorry my dumbass mistake. forgot 3rd eye is a gift (i should know as i use it hehe)

as for the dispell scroll i dont think your BSB can take it as he hasnt got a wizard level.

please dont take it as im trying to rip you, just pointing it out ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3158610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3158610.page GMT 2500 WoC vs Liz - League Match LOL >_<

Ya he's not over points. He's at exactly his max without a different weapon upgrade.

Anyways he can take the dispel scroll because Book of Secrets makes him a L1 wizard in the FAQ on top of its other effects. As oppose to the codex that just lets him know a random spell from the Fire Shadow or Death Lore without being a wizard. So now hes a L1 wizard and thus can take Dispel Scroll.

@Thunderfrog: Ya I felt bad when I did it because it's a good friend I was playing. Almost everyone in the league are good close friends. >_> But I can't deny how cool it was. It's my first time ever taking Tz too!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3158881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387703/3158881.page GMT