<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Dead orks every time"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Dead orks every time Thing is i love using my sm and have put alot of time and effort into them but when i turn up with them every one starts on the old (here we go no point playin now the over powered space marines have turnt up) and this is not because i cheat in fact i do the complete opposite i normally let the rules slide in my opponents favour just to get a challenge.
So i guess my question is are there any ork players on here that are succesfull against space marines and what they usually use to play them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157171.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time SM. Mostly by tabling the SM, except for the Land Raiders, there shell is pretty hard. We need a sample of his standerd list to really tell what the issue is, becouse SM are the easiest fight for Orks. SM shouldn't beable to handle the amount of dice there forced to roll. If he is losing that much he either has a bad list or needs to learn how to use his Orks. Even Termys die to 60+ attacks on the Waaagh!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157225.page GMT Dead orks every time gazzy
10 nobs
def dread with 4 claws
3 killa cans
9 bikers
battle wagon open topped with burnas in it
30 ard boys
30 boys
30 boys
6 defkopters
and the guy with the shock attack gun

he has recently started throwing in some lobbas
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157250.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157250.page GMT Dead orks every time KFF Mek is suicide.

It is his list that is the problem, not Orks as a whole. If he switches to Kanwall or BW spam, then your SMs are in for a big suprise.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157271.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157271.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157273.page GMT Dead orks every time a predator with las
or 2 razorbacks
mostly dont run termies but sometimes 10
devastator squad
2 or 3 dreads in drop pods
LRR most the time
2 or 3 tactical squads with missile launchers
but again this can all change i never field the same army twice in a row


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Sorry for my ignorance but what is kanwall or bw spam
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weiler wrote:Incase you ask i normally field a whirlwind and thunder fire cannon at the back
a predator with las
or 2 razorbacks
mostly dont run termies but sometimes 10
devastator squad
2 or 3 dreads in drop pods
LRR most the time
2 or 3 tactical squads with missile launchers
but again this can all change i never field the same army twice in a row


Well, your stuff is all over too, so pretty much any solid Ork build can crush it: Kanwall, BW spam, Speak Freaks, etc.

Kanwall = 9 KillaKans, 2KFF Meks, boys on foot, then add Lootas, Koptas, and Dreads to taste.
BW spam = 3+ BWs w/Deffrollas protected by KFF, filled with any combination of Boys, Nobs, MegaNobs, and Burnas.
Speed Freaks = Combination of Trukks, Rokkit Buggies, Bikes, and Koptas.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157304.page GMT Dead orks every time The kanwall and bw spam sound awesome though played a couple guys at my local gw using the speed freaks type army and its never faired well against me. Also to clarify that list is not his either but it never has the sort of consistency of any of the ones mentioned here
I get called a cheat when i play my proper lists]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157381.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time
Is Ghaz and Nobz on foot?
1 dread with all DCCW on it? So once thats immobolised its useless.
9 bikers? Bikers are arguably a hard unit/playstyle to use. They are pricey and still easy to kill in combat, not to mention dont have the numbers/fearless that the other boyz do.
Bunch of boyz is nice. But if he wanted to maximize that more, he could drop ten from each, and with that, add another unit of 20 boyz w pk/nob/bosspole.so 4 units of 20 boyz, and drop the Ard boyz upgrade, thats really just a gimmick most the time and makes cheap boyz not so cheap. So thatll give him a bunch of points to take something more useful, like a KFF BigMek Id bet.

Back to the nobz how does he field them do you remember? Because if its just plain jane nobz, they will still do stuff but wont be near as badass as they could be. On the flip side if they all have PK then its a huge waste of points.


Also his problem might come down alot to how he uses his Orks. Orks are one of those armies where they can be easy to start off with for newer players as they are more forgiving, but also soft enough that if you make a couple bad decisions they can get tabled. Does it seem like he makes alot of poor choices when he plays? If so you should probably give him pointers like "oh no no no, move those guys back, and assault that unit there instead" or "if you were to ask my opinion, Id make that unit hug the terrain for another turn anyways" ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157433.page GMT Dead orks every time 2.the nobz dont all have pk
3. he doesnt seem so much to make bad moves just doesnt seem to have enough of one element to overrun me like id imagine orks to do and have done to me before.

so using the things i have listed him having and dropping the points of the battle to make an ork army that could fight with more fluidity, how would you guys run it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157513.page GMT Dead orks every time
If he wants to be competitive, he has to determine the type of Ork army he wants to play and then invest in those models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157549.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157586.page GMT Dead orks every time
- What point levels are you playing at? Ghazzy isn't really appropriate unless you're playing at 1750 minimum. He's good, but too expensive for 1000 or 1500 lists. Also, he better have a ride. Ghazzy almost demands a Battlewagon.

10 nobs

- Too many Nobs for one mob. 6-8 is usually plenty depending on how you equip them. Painboy is a must! Does he put them in a Battlewagon? Doesn't sound like it, and he probably should.

def dread with 4 claws

- This is fine depending on how he uses it and what else he has in the list... but it doesn't sound like he has it. Dreads and Kans need the KFF to be REALLY awesome. Otherwise they're weedy.

3 killa cans

- See above.

9 bikers

- These just don't fit in with anything that's been brought up. If he wants a fast, mobile unit in a list like this, I'd use some Stormboyz instead. Instead of 9 Bikers, use 4 Nob Bikers with a Warboss on a bike as number 5, and you've got a winner.

battle wagon open topped with burnas in it

- With what you've mentioned he has, I'd put Ghazz and the Nobz in here, not Burnas. If not the Nobz, put 20 'Ard Boyz in there. KFF Mek goes great inside too.

30 ard boys
30 boys
30 boys

- Good amount of Boyz. 30 'Ard boyz are likely overkill. 'Ard Boyz are best stuck in a Trukk or a Battlewagon so they get into assault ASAP and get to actually USE that 4+ armor save.

6 defkopters

- I'd use a smaller squad of 2.

and the guy with the shock attack gun

- Could be good, but doesn't have ANY synergy with his list.



My tips for your friend:

1) Get a KFF Mek
2) Get some Lootas
3) Ditch Bikers. Replace with Nob Bikers or Stormboyz or Buggies.
4) Optimize the Nobz and the Battlewagon.

Lobbas is the last thing he should be adding to this list. His list is somewhere in between a footslogging hoard list and a Kan Wall. I'd focus on those aspects and less on his Fast Attack options.

If you want to go easy on your friend, just don't bring your Land Raider. It's really really hard for the Orks to deal with since we basically have nothing in our entire codex we can SHOOT at it to hurt it.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157589.page GMT Dead orks every time I gave him 15 lootas he doesnt really use so will get him to put these in and i also gave him big mek. We play anything from 1000 to 3000 points but i have made the battles more like 1000p these days just so he can try getting to terms with a play style.
Sorry but to clarify whats the biggie with the kff/ best way to use it i dont play orks gave him my ork stuff
Thanks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157664.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157664.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time KFF Mek gives everything within 6" of it a 5+ cover save, 4+ for vehicles. If you put the Mek in the Battlewagon, that 6" is measured from the Battlewagon's hull, making for a large area of protection.

He'd want to use a Battlewagon loaded with a squad of Nobs and the Big Mek, flanked by a Deff Dread on one side, the three Kans on the other, and the Boyz behind.

The KFF will give a 4+ cover save to the Battlewagon, the Dread, and the Kans, making them much harder to destroy. The Boyz benefit from the cover that all the vehicles in front of them will give them. He already has a lot of Boyz, so that shouldn't be an issue. In my Kan Wall list I use three squads of 20 Boyz each and it works well.

Then you have options. I could see some Nob Bikers zooming up the flanks, and then the Lootas in the back. How much he can fit in depends on what points you play at.

It's not a perfect Kan Wall formation, but it's close enough to be effective. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3157837.page GMT Dead orks every time

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Also i thought it made vehicles obscured not 4+]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158303.page GMT Dead orks every time OP and that you are a cheat, so if he has gotten that stuck in his head, then he won't feel that bad about losing, because he'll just say "Oh, it's because he's a cheater and uses OP lists." He needs to fix his attitude if he wants to win.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158420.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158466.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158466.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time SM list then? Try everything that is considered to be a poor choice and convince him to use advice here? That way itll be more in his favor.....possibly.

You can show him this thread with everyone saying, that vanilla SM are FAR from over powered. Infact I think SM and Orks are a pretty close match. My best/closest matches are against SM players. But to you, I say stop taking even remotely optimized lists, and get him to get some type of coherent ORk build going, he will see a huge difference in how Orks play when he focuses on building them right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158531.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158566.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time whiners just piss me off, but if you dont have a large group or whatever, sometimes its the best choice to just try and fix his problem. If its a big group like a store or similar then yea, Id try my best for a little bit, but after a while, Id turn his army into a crater]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158682.page GMT Dead orks every time Just one more thing how does this cover save on vehicles work from the kff if i get penetrating hit he can then cover save it, is this correct?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158771.page GMT Dead orks every time
Alerian wrote:

Well, your stuff is all over too, so pretty much any solid Ork build can crush it: Kanwall, BW spam, Speak Freaks, etc.


Speak Freaks- the most eloquent of the all the orks]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158865.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158882.page GMT Dead orks every time
He needs a KFF Mek. The KFF Mek has one of three possible jobs. The Ork army will be based around the kind of job the Mek is assigned:

1.) Stand in the middle of his 3 mobs of 30 Boyz so that they all benefit from the KFF Save, generally this is best with one mob up front that gets the 5+ KFF Save, and the squad behind get the 4+ Cover save from the other mobs.

2.) KFF Mek goes with Boyz in a Battle Wagon, the other Battlewagon (they generally want to be run in pairs, if not in three's), and all the Wagons get a 4+ Cover save from the KFF Mek riding in the middle wagon.

3.) KFF Mek is kind of like the one in Job #1, except that he has 9 killa Kans and he provides a 4+ Cover Save to them. Though with the new FAQ, you may need to run two KFF Mek's to get the Cover Save on all the Kanz and the Boyz mobs.

Other things he can do:
Take Lootas. They kill most marine vehicles and can handle the Thunderfire cannon.

Have one unit of Boyz be Kommandos and take Snikrot, it can come into the SM Players backfield and screw up the artillery/blast units that are screwing with his main force of Boyz.

The fact that you run a Whirlwind is likely his biggest problem. If you want to make life easier on him, don't run the Whirlwind.

Please note that these kind of advice threads are hard if it requires him to buy lots of new models. Based on what he has, he can immediately improve his army as a whole by buying just one KFF Mek Model and running it properly.

With the KFF Mek, the 'Ard Boyz don't need to count as having the extra armor (it's not worth it), just have 90 Boyz + Dread + KFF Mek + 3 Kanz running at you all getting cover saves from the KFF should make life pretty hard. If he ran the Nobz in the Battle Wagon and kept it close enough to the Mek, that can sort of work too. It's not ideal, but it can work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158907.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158907.page GMT Dead orks every time kff and how that cover save works on vehicles cant find any info on it if i pen his wagon or dread he can then get a 4+ cover save]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3158931.page GMT Dead orks every time KFF Mek counts as Obscured. That means that if you get a glancing or penetrating hit on that vehicle, he gets a 4+ Cover save before you can roll on the damage table. Page 62 in the rulebook, FYI.

Also note, that if the KFF Mek is inside a vehicle, the effects of the KFF are measured from any point on the hull of that vehicle, which greatly extends the KFF's range. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3159125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3159125.page GMT Re:Dead orks every time KFF on the pens/glances. Make sure he does the glances/pens separate so you dont get hoed. Whatever is failed, then you continue on with the damage chart]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3160613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3160613.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3160766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3160766.page GMT Dead orks every time

as for how my army is built yeh it is pretty much all over the gaff but i'm gradually doing different things with it but with having no money the squads i use are small so puts me off them. my problem is i'm not sticking to one set build i tend to just chuck in a bit of everything.

every game we play i enjoy i may lose most of my boyz but i will always win my mission objective. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331238.page GMT Dead orks every time gw models... with good convertiond people tend to like em

if you have any modeling questions or army liist questions throw em out here you already have some of the best tactical advisers you could as for in this thread]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331392.page GMT Dead orks every time
Captainlanger wrote:i am the Ork that weiler here is talking about. just to clear things up my attitude to him cheating came about because well 1. i hate space marines and 2. the first few game we started once we got back into battles he did play things wrong. (we all have) so i never let it go that yeh he has cheated but i don't use it as an excuse for me i just like to annoy him.


as for how my army is built yeh it is pretty much all over the gaff but i'm gradually doing different things with it but with having no money the squads i use are small so puts me off them. my problem is i'm not sticking to one set build i tend to just chuck in a bit of everything.

every game we play i enjoy i may lose most of my boyz but i will always win my mission objective.


You're being a jerk to him then. If you hate space marines, don't play them, but don't use it as an excuse to try to apply social pressure to someone to force them not to play what they want to play. It's a good way to drive people away from the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3331603.page GMT Dead orks every time
weiler wrote:Yeah i have stopped playing my land raider and my trio of whirlwinds against him for obvious reasons
I gave him 15 lootas he doesnt really use so will get him to put these in and i also gave him big mek. We play anything from 1000 to 3000 points but i have made the battles more like 1000p these days just so he can try getting to terms with a play style.
Sorry but to clarify whats the biggie with the kff/ best way to use it i dont play orks gave him my ork stuff
Thanks


First off, you've listed several ork models that you have given him. Lootas, a big mek, and I think you said you also gave him some Kanz and he's whining? Stop giving him models. Beggers can't be choosers.


weiler wrote:So i take it this would work better with 5 kans because i gave him 2 old metal ones just need to get him to fix them up

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Also i thought it made vehicles obscured not 4+


weiler wrote:great advice guys i will pass all this on thanks.
Just one more thing how does this cover save on vehicles work from the kff if i get penetrating hit he can then cover save it, is this correct?


I strongly recommend reading the BRB again. Obscured Vehicles get a 4+ cover save unless it specifically states a different rating by the item/ability that grants it. A KFF makes any vehicle within 6" Obscurred, meaning they get a 4+ cover save against ANY glancing or penetrating hits.

People run KFF Big Meks in Battlewagons because the rules state that when you have an abilities like this, you measure it from the hull. So you suddenly have this huge KFF bubble that you can put on the table

Captainlanger wrote:i am the Ork that weiler here is talking about. just to clear things up my attitude to him cheating came about because well 1. i hate space marines and 2. the first few game we started once we got back into battles he did play things wrong. (we all have) so i never let it go that yeh he has cheated but i don't use it as an excuse for me i just like to annoy him.

as for how my army is built yeh it is pretty much all over the gaff but i'm gradually doing different things with it but with having no money the squads i use are small so puts me off them. my problem is i'm not sticking to one set build i tend to just chuck in a bit of everything.

every game we play i enjoy i may lose most of my boyz but i will always win my mission objective.


Some suggestions for you Captainlanger:

1) Your friend gave you 15 lootas, 2 Kanz, and a big mek (did I miss anything in that list?). That's what, $200 worth of models that he GAVE you. You should be grateful that your friend did that. He could have sold the models or kept them for himself, instead he gave them to you to enjoy the game.

2) Take what people have posted here as suggestions and try proxy'ing a few games. Heck, use poker chips to represent models, they're almost the same size as a standard base.

3) Focus your army around specific tactics. You are all over the place. Chose a specific type of army to run, proxy it a few times, and see how it goes. If you like it, then start getting models to suit it.

4) Are you really annoyed that he can lay down blast weapons? Seriously? Spend a few minutes thinking about many blast templates you can lay down on the table each turn if you fielded 9 Kanz with Grotzookas. Or 6 Kanz with Grotzookas and 3 Lobbas (I personally like having indirect fire options).

5) For fun, proxy a game where you have a unit of Burna Boyz in a truck and have your friend let them get within 12 inches of a unit just as an experiment. One of the scariest units you can lay on the table is a truck that can hit a unit with 12 flamer templates (they can all lay down their template in the exact same spot, so if you work out that you can hit 5 marines, then you hit each of those 5 marines 12 times. Bye bye marine squad!).


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I would suggest using scenarios and even rolling for random scenario usings something like Battle Missions...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3332558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3332558.page GMT Dead orks every time
weiler wrote:
Jihallah wrote:
Alerian wrote:

Well, your stuff is all over too, so pretty much any solid Ork build can crush it: Kanwall, BW spam, Speak Freaks, etc.


Speak Freaks- the most eloquent of the all the orks

Although pointing out that mis-spelling has amused me it wasnt the answer i was looking for

Lunar Eclipse wrote:
weiler wrote:So i take it this would work better with 5 kans because i gave him 2 old metal ones just need to get him to fix them up

Also i thought it made vehicles obscured not 4+


weiler wrote:great advice guys i will pass all this on thanks.
Just one more thing how does this cover save on vehicles work from the kff if i get penetrating hit he can then cover save it, is this correct?


I strongly recommend reading the BRB again. Obscured Vehicles get a 4+ cover save unless it specifically states a different rating by the item/ability that grants it. A KFF makes any vehicle within 6" Obscurred, meaning they get a 4+ cover save against ANY glancing or penetrating hits.


Speak freaks know aaallllll about that BRB I too would suggest having another crack at it

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willydstyle wrote:Actually the BRB specifies that obscured vehicles get the same cover save that a piece of terrain would give to infantry, so a vehicle obscured by tall grass, for example, would only get a 6+ cover save.


The question raised wasn't about terrain, it was about Kustom Force Fields. Read the BRB again:

If a special rule or piece of wargear confers to a vehicle the ability of being obscured even if in the open, this is a 4+ cover save, unless specified otherwise in the Codex.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3334996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3334996.page GMT Dead orks every time LC in a LRR, led by a chaplain in terminator armour. While dropping str10 large templates on him, be sure to laugh in an evil way. When the terminators hit a boyz squad causing perhaps 15 wounds with no saves be sure to laugh all the harder!

Thatll teach him for taking the mick out of marines!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335103.page GMT Dead orks every time http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335420.page GMT Dead orks every time
Being swarmed with boyz mobs has made me get happy and bring out my evil streak every time an ork player gets sad/mad lol.

Bloody kan walls! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335439.page GMT Dead orks every time AOBR and a battleforce, and he used his blood angels, his primary army.

Every game i play as his orks, i own him. I am a guard player so i know how to use blobs, and am used to crappy regular infantry. However it turns out ork infantry are crazy mofos, and their warboss on a bike with nob biker guards is extremely crazy.

My friends little 5 man tac squads and death company just get swarmed too easy.

So, despite only playing orks 3-4 times, i find they are very good at what they do - which is crazy choppy, or loads of shooty. My rokkits and kannonz and shootas did more than choppy! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3335540.page GMT Dead orks every time
Mechanized Space Corps wrote:If the ork player persists in calling you a cheater field 3 vindicators, a terminator assault squad with 5 LC in a LRR, led by a chaplain in terminator armour. While dropping str10 large templates on him, be sure to laugh in an evil way. When the terminators hit a boyz squad causing perhaps 15 wounds with no saves be sure to laugh all the harder!

Thatll teach him for taking the mick out of marines!


Oh no, no saves for his boyz!

Oh, wait.

15 Wound are arbitrary, by the way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3340646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3340646.page GMT Dead orks every time
Jidmah wrote:

Oh no, no saves for his boyz!

Oh, wait.

15 Wound are arbitrary, by the way.


True that. For those that need some prodding to think it through, da boyz have a 6+ save. 15 wounds statistically is 2.5 saves, so you're not really denying da boyz much when you kill 2.5 more than you would.

Marines, on the other hand, is an entirely different story ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3340865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/387841/3340865.page GMT