Byte wrote:I think GW does produce the most diverse, detailed, and widest range of minis.

Night's Blood wrote:Games Workshop has the most high quality minis on earth.

protomane0 wrote:so yeah, I ask you fellow dakkites, help me find some examples of models that arent GW but still of equal/better quality.

biccat wrote:

protomane0 wrote:he like myself is a very fluff driven person

Wait, he likes fluff, and somehow [i]prefers GW to Privateer Press[/url]?

Is it the detailed fluff of "We're Space Marines and we want to conquor the galaxy!"? Or "We're Chaos Space Marines and we want to conquor the galaxy!"? Or perhaps it's the ever popular "We're Necrons/tyrannids/tau and we want to conquor the galaxy!"? All forever stuck in 999.999999999M41.

Warmachine/Hordes is a much more story-driven game world that has a moving timeline. That's what makes it interesting. While GW's fluff is...well...Grimdark (tm).

protomane0 wrote:so yeah, I ask you fellow dakkites, help me find some examples of models that arent GW but still of equal/better quality.

Scibor does Space Marines better than GW does Space Marines. Avatars of War does fantasy better than GW does fantasy. Mantic does fantasy better and cheaper than GW, and will soon do Futuristic better and cheaper than GW.

I suppose you still have to go to GW to get good space-orks and space-elves, but at the point you're not really playing for model quality.

Note: I reall do like GW games, they're not too complicated, fun, and widely available. But they certainly leave a lot to be desired. And Fantasy, unlike 40k, actually has a half-decent storyline.

n0t_u wrote:

Night's Blood wrote:Are you serious? GW DOES do it in their rulebook, you obviously know this because you play 40k, they also do it in their codexs. The cherry on top are the novel, something PP does not have.

You haven't read codex fluff recently have you?

Having read a bit of both (Although I'll admit I've read more of GW, as far as PP I haven't gone too far past the Khador background) I'll agree that PP's seems to have a decent level of detail in the fluff, it's better but only by a bit so far. That is not including the more recent codex fluff as it seems to be going down in quality somewhat (super duper pure silver armour, add blood for 2x more super). Reading it PP doesn't seem to quite have a favorite to win too many battles so it at least remains interesting as its more of how they get to the end and what happens, rather than "how does the Imperium barely manage to stomp the enemies of humanity today".

Mostly though, like anything, it comes down to personal preference. People could argue for days on the most mundane of subjects as long as their opinions were different.

Platuan4th wrote:

Night's Blood wrote:
So ignore the whole thrust of my post for one inaccuracy. Regardless, you can't compare PP fluff simply because PP fluff is nowhere near the level or amount of GW. It simply doesn't compare. GW also has one NYTBS, where PP has none, so the point stands. Don't simultaneously throw GW under the bus while blatantly ignoring the faults of PP.

Actually, you CAN compare their fluff. It IS at the same level, and amount isn't an indication of quality.

Again, having novels written by non-staff and having one on the Best Seller list doesn't highlight some fault PP has, because that's NOT a fault. Game companies requiring novels from outside authors to tell their story because the company can't do it well enough itself is a fault, NOT the other way around.

Also, if you actually READ my post, you'll see I addressed your entire "thrust", most of which centers(again) on the Black Library, a subsidiary that doesn't have anything to do with the actual studio.

Night's Blood wrote:
Are you serious? GW DOES do it in their rulebook, you obviously know this because you play 40k, they also do it in their codexs.