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wondering if any special tactics / things i should particularly watch out for?

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The main thing you need to worry about are Purifiers. If you can find a way of shooting them then you should be able to handle the army just fine, since mass Force Weapons don't really scare Boyz as their armor save is already bad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235845.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player kff, 2x 5 loota's, and 10 kommandos + snikrot and a warboss, oh and 3 deff rolla's

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235851.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player GKs seem to have a tough time with the BW's AV14. So, you've got a good foundation. In my experience, stay in the Battlewagons as long as you can. If you're taking shoota boyz, shoot from inside the wagon. Also, I've had good success with a BW full of Burnas against GKs. Good luck. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235900.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235900.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player
If you face paladins, or otherwise too i guess, stock up on instant-killyness, ie power klaws galore. You wont ever strike first, so might as well spread as many hits as possible to make sure as many paladins.

Also, Tank shock, dont underestimate it. Get them running, and keep them running, and you can focus your efforts on the ones not running

But, to summarize, its really hard with orks, especially if you play a skilled player.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235911.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player so burna boyz arent viable as they die too much against other armies too quickly, so i am in a rather bad dilema D:]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235929.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player KFF is a must for this type of army so that's a good choice, outflanking Snikrot and the 10 Kommandos should make a mess of enemy units sitting back and might be useful for objectives in that area if they live long enough. Warboss is good for making the Nobz troops choices (I have a list built around that sort of thing) and Deffkoptas and Lootas provide some nice support and tie up units ok, if the Deffkoptas have buzzsaws, they're pretty good against vehicles too (IIRC).

By the way, what is the tournament that you're attending?

I have never actually played against a Grey Knights army before but I do know that as they are rather expensive on the points side of things they are likely to have significantly less numbers (duh!

). What you'd be best to do is just hit the larger units with the BattleWagons Deff Rollas before jumping out and swamping some of the smaller units with the boyz, as they are not going to have enough attacks to kill all of them, and at worst, your boyz are going to at least hold them up for a few turns while the rest of your army manouvres and/or takes objectives. If you aren't hitting them with your boyz, but your Nobz instead, you have a good chance of killing the unit.

Hope this helps and sorry I can't be of any more use. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235969.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player can shoot with the Slugga, even if you're not assaulting. And you'll almost certainly be within pistol range if you're deffrolla-ing them.

But that's the thing, is that Orks vs. Grey Knights, you need Shooty Orks. Which they can do well, just with quantity over quality.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3235974.page GMT Re:Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

I quite like the idea of deff rolling them twice, then finishing them off with the boyz, ill send a 3x PK nob squad at they're toughest unit and win, as nobz normally do (unless they have 5x LC Terminators, im going to run).

1 Deffkopta does indeed have a buzzsaw, they aint great but they're good, outflank with 3 str 7 suicide attacks on the whizzy rhino? Yeah!

Im attending the local D.W.A.R.F 1750pt 40k tournament thats being run in dover, SE kent (England) ^^ Basically my first ever competitve tournament against people i dont really know, as been part of a 30 strong small gaming club for a few years now, used to them, but have no idea what to expect with this tournament, one guy walkedin with chaos daemons the other day and i won, i won knowing that he massively failed and i shouldve died, however this grey knights tactic we are developign wouldve worked against them, bloodletter cant take out a battlewagon very easily, so i can deff roll it the whole game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236013.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236024.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player And same question for a trukk?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236052.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Orkaswampa wrote:True true, searched my rulebookf or a while, how far can the BW go and still allow all passengers to fire?

And same question for a trukk?

6" on all accounts, unless they feel like getting out and unloading]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236096.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236103.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236218.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player
problem solved

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Orkaswampa wrote:True true, searched my rulebookf or a while, how far can the BW go and still allow all passengers to fire? And same question for a trukk?

7" with red paint 6" without

if you go 7" they can only hit the bw on a 6 in melee]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236637.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236662.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236662.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

G00fySmiley wrote:remember: shoot da choppy onez!

problem solved

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Orkaswampa wrote:True true, searched my rulebookf or a while, how far can the BW go and still allow all passengers to fire? And same question for a trukk?

7" with red paint 6" without

if you go 7" they can only hit the bw on a 6 in melee

This doesnt make sense to me and I dont have the codex to look at.

If you go 7 with RPJ does it count as going 6?

and so if you count as going 6 why on earth would you need a 6 to hit in CC]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236671.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player Orks...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236834.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

G00fySmiley wrote:remember: shoot da choppy onez!

problem solved

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Orkaswampa wrote:True true, searched my rulebookf or a while, how far can the BW go and still allow all passengers to fire? And same question for a trukk?

7" with red paint 6" without

if you go 7" they can only hit the bw on a 6 in melee

This doesnt make sense to me and I dont have the codex to look at.

If you go 7 with RPJ does it count as going 6?

and so if you count as going 6 why on earth would you need a 6 to hit in CC

pg 93

orks are wierd... says you may move +1 inch to movement but not incur penalties ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3236916.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player KFF ftw!
Lots of Shootas and Lootas to blast them!
Purifiers=target #1
Killkannons and Boomguns!
Warbikes for lots of dakka, speed, and extra toughness.
Burnas for PW goodness!
Flash Gits would be interesting. They are AP3 or less half the time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3237051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3237051.page GMT Re:Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Orkaswampa wrote:
I quite like the idea of deff rolling them twice, then finishing them off with the boyz, ill send a 3x PK nob squad at they're toughest unit and win, as nobz normally do (unless they have 5x LC Terminators, im going to run).

I have a need to single this statement out. Never send nobs headlong into a paladin squad. Note the bold. Never

I have watched multiple ork players foolishly throw nobs into Paladins expecting them to win hand over fist as they usually do, and then proclaim GK to be 'broken' simply because thier nob squad got crushed.
Paladins are WS5, S4, T4 models, all armed with Force Weapons and multiple attacks per model. You will only ever get a 5+ invul against them (if you paid for it), and then they will activate the squads FW's and insta-kill every nob that fails a wound. Paladins are also typically attached to an IC with Psychotroke and Rad grenades, which will make you do ridiculous things and be reduced to toughness 3.

edited multiple times for being bad with quoting. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3237137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3237137.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Juvieus Kaine wrote:Actually I think the Nobz should go for more boyz and another Battlewagon, since those Force Weapons can ignore your wound allocation shenanigans.

Nobz pretty much slaughter anything without terminator armor, even and especially purifieres. While you might lose one or two, you blow their squad away. Terminators and especially Paladins with WS5 get too many attacks in though. If you're facing an all terminator/paladin list, just have them go after the psyflemen.

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ork_smash wrote:
Orkaswampa wrote:
I quite like the idea of deff rolling them twice, then finishing them off with the boyz, ill send a 3x PK nob squad at they're toughest unit and win, as nobz normally do (unless they have 5x LC Terminators, im going to run).

I have a need to single this statement out. Never send nobs headlong into a paladin squad. Note the bold. Never

I have watched multiple ork players foolishly throw nobs into Paladins expecting them to win hand over fist as they usually do, and then proclaim GK to be 'broken' simply because thier nob squad got crushed.
Paladins are WS5, S4, T4 models, all armed with Force Weapons and multiple attacks per model. You will only ever get a 5+ invul against them (if you paid for it), and then they will activate the squads FW's and insta-kill every nob that fails a wound. Paladins are also typically attached to an IC with Psychotroke and Rad grenades, which will make you do ridiculous things and be reduced to toughness 3.

edited multiple times for being bad with quoting.

Don't forget FNP and potentially counterattack for 4 attacks each if charged. Don't ever charge them until they lost almost all their important guys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3239338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3239338.page GMT Re:Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Orkaswampa wrote:Im attending the local D.W.A.R.F 1750pt 40k tournament thats being run in dover, SE kent (England) ^^ Basically my first ever competitve tournament against people i dont really know, as been part of a 30 strong small gaming club for a few years now, used to them, but have no idea what to expect with this tournament, one guy walkedin with chaos daemons the other day and i won, i won knowing that he massively failed and i shouldve died, however this grey knights tactic we are developign wouldve worked against them, bloodletter cant take out a battlewagon very easily, so i can deff roll it the whole game.

Ah, ok thanks, just wondering, as I'm attending a local tournament in the UK at around the same time and was just wondering if it was the same one. Good luck with it anyway, and if I were you I'd keep the Nobz, they are very nasty and much more worth it than the number of boyz that you can get with the same number of points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3239607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3239607.page GMT Re:Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240281.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player
Let's just assume that the GK player is not suicidal and wants to use the NFW activation rather than flame or hammerhand.

Unwounded purifiers(unlikely) have a puny 20 attacks, 10 of those miss, 5 fail to wound, 2 will be saved by cybork. Of that remaining 3, there is a 41% chance of one not holding a NFW and a 17% chance of them failing their activation test alltogether.

While it might be two or three dying rather than "one or two", there are now two or three PKs, plus whatever is left, hitting regular marines on a 3+. They are not going to survive that, including the 17% possibility of them not killing a single nob at all. It gets worse for them with every demon hammer they wield and every model they lose before the fight.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240360.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player Remember 3 PKs = 15 Attacks, (waagh banner = hitting on 3's), and wounding on 2's....just the inv saves really.

How wyould you lot suggest my deff rolla mech list deals with a paladin list then? consta deff roll tank shock until they all flee off table / die, or get out and mob them? The reversing on and off them works, with loota fire.

Maybe even add a SAG? Just gotta roll 6 in total and its wounding on 2s with only inv saves allowed tbh? And a hit >_> Could use the grots in the list as bubblewrap / loota's]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240519.page GMT Re:Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240548.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player GK is simple: Rawhide it!(Rollin' Rollin' Rollin')

Deff Rolla them until they are grey goo. Apply boyz to flavor. Serve over ice.

-cgmckenzie]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240644.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Orkaswampa wrote:I like those statistics

Remember 3 PKs = 15 Attacks, (waagh banner = hitting on 3's), and wounding on 2's....just the inv saves really.

How wyould you lot suggest my deff rolla mech list deals with a paladin list then? consta deff roll tank shock until they all flee off table / die, or get out and mob them? The reversing on and off them works, with loota fire.

Maybe even add a SAG? Just gotta roll 6 in total and its wounding on 2s with only inv saves allowed tbh? And a hit >_> Could use the grots in the list as bubblewrap / loota's

12 attacks, as PK don't gain any benefit from the second close combat weapon. Still, enough to kick some shiny beakies out of the window.

Problem with tank-shocking is your BW dying next turn if they hold, as your AV10 is pointing towards them. It might work if you unload all the passengers out of assault range and then start tank-shocking. Better option though would be staying in your BW and shooting them dead.

The SAG is great against GK, just keep in mind that you will face other armies than GK in that tourney, and we usually need our warboss to take care of things like leman russes, landraiders and MCs. If you want to field the SAG, put him with the gretchin, you don't want lootaz and the SAG shooting at the same targets.

y0disisray wrote:I would consider trying to find a way to put Ghazghkull in there. He alone with his Waaagh!!! can take on a purifier squad maybe even a paladin squad with 2 turns of a 2++ save.

Ghazghkull is always a great option with that many GK flying around, as he can't be instant-deathed, unlike the regular warboss. Evaluate if you can spare the points carefully, as 100 additional points can do a lot of stuff in an ork army.

However, don't expect Ghazghkull to take out a whole squad of Paladins, possibly including Draigo and/or a Librarian by himself. While he will take a chunk out of them, he has no chance of winning that fight - paladins just get too many attacks.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240646.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240716.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240737.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240791.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player Burna boyz are pretty cool but cant really fit them in, the only way i think i would soundly fit in ghazghkull is by ditching the defkopta's, that way i have a SAG and a ghazghkull at the same time, but then i lose the turn 1 tank popping and holding up units which is very useful

And against a full paladin squad with draigo in there, im fethed without him and his 2+ save, that squad is the hardest squad i could imagine in 40k, its horrible, however SAGing it with double 6, although i have more chances of winning the lottery than doi9ng that, would be cool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3240861.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Gray1378 wrote:I have 2 words for you.... BURNA BOYZ!!!!! Drop those damn kommandos and sinkrot and get your self another wagon and dem burna boyz!! All armies fear burna boyz

Yes, Burna boyz in a BattleWagon without 'Ard Case is a very effective unit, however I'm not sure about using them in this list, although I know the OP has already said that it's not possible.

The reason for this is the possibility of coming up against a player that overestimates the capabilities of 10 Kommandos and Snikrot, as they'll just see a big scary unit with a big scary upgraded sergeant that outflanks, so they might decide to push board centre when deploying so that they aren't going to get hurt to badly by the 'big scary unit'. As the opposing army will now be squashed into a smaller section of the board to avoid the table edges, life will be a whole lot easier for the BattleWagons with the Deff Rollas to move in and crush the units that are sort of castling up in the centre of the opponents deployment zone, as the Rolla will be able to crush 1 unit after another as it will not have to move too far to find its next victim. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241316.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241316.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player AFAIK, they have the "ambush" special rule, meaning they can enter from reserve from on any table edge, so if the palyer is scared into the middle, he's goign to get swamped, so its better for me

and the burna boy tactic works, but i think that tactic would be suited for a different list, not really room in mine :/ kinda doesnt fit in with the army but nice idea ;p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241464.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3241546.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Rampage wrote:

Gray1378 wrote:I have 2 words for you.... BURNA BOYZ!!!!! Drop those damn kommandos and sinkrot and get your self another wagon and dem burna boyz!! All armies fear burna boyz

Very true, I guess I really didn't think about the benefit of kommandos + Sinkrot. My bad.

I just really love dem burnas

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3243754.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3243754.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player however the snikrot combo simply outweighs it in effectiveness :/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3244589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/392340/3244589.page GMT Best way to tackle GK as an Ork Player

Gray1378 wrote:

Rampage wrote:
Gray1378 wrote:I have 2 words for you.... BURNA BOYZ!!!!! Drop those damn kommandos and sinkrot and get your self another wagon and dem burna boyz!! All armies fear burna boyz

Yes, Burna boyz in a BattleWagon without 'Ard Case is a very effective unit, however I'm not sure about using them in this list, although I know the OP has already said that it's not possible.

The reason for this is the possibility of coming up against a player that overestimates the capabilities of 10 Kommandos and Snikrot, as they'll just see a big scary unit with a big scary upgraded sergeant that outflanks, so they might decide to push board centre when deploying so that they aren't going to get hurt to badly by the 'big scary unit'. As the opposing army will now be squashed into a smaller section of the board to avoid the table edges, life will be a whole lot easier for the BattleWagons with the Deff Rollas to move in and crush the units that are sort of castling up in the centre of the opponents deployment zone, as the Rolla will be able to crush 1 unit after another as it will not have to move too far to find its next victim.

Very true, I guess I really didn't think about the benefit of kommandos + Sinkrot. My bad.

I just really love dem burnas

Completely understandable, Burnas in a BattleWagon can be a very effective unit

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