<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/14.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex I think I've written an Alpha Legion list that is not only themed, but also not a pushover. The complete lack of vehicles is due to me being short of funds, and also because I'm sick of all the razorspam and rhinospam out there.
Anyway, this is the list:
Alpha Legion Insurrection Detachment
HQ:
Captain Quetzal Carthach, Guilliman’s Bane
Chaos Lord 150 pts
- Mark of Tzeentch, terminator armor and chainfist
Elites:
5 Chaos Terminators 190 pts
- Chainfist, heavy flamer, 4 combi-meltas
5 Chaos Chosen 160 pts
- Lascannon, plasma gun, icon of chaos glory
5 Chaos Chosen 160 pts
- Lascannon, plasma gun, icon of chaos glory
Troops:
10 Chaos Marines 210 pts
- Champion, plasma gun, lascannon, icon of chaos glory
10 Chaos Marines 210 pts
- Champion, plasma gun, lascannon, icon of chaos glory
10 Chaos Marines 210 pts
- Champion, plasma gun, lascannon, icon of chaos glory
10 Chaos Marines 210 pts
- Champion, plasma gun, lascannon, icon of chaos glory

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256423.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
Otherwise it's a 1500 point list with 5 Lascannons and no Meltaguns. You don't play against a lot of Mech, do you?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256602.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex Lol whoops I put up the wrong list. Correct list is now up]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256651.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
Take 2 squads of marines out and gain a 10 man plague squad.

Take out lord, replace with prince (what race do you normally play against I.E orks, DE, GK,etc... that will determine your mark of chaos).

Any points left over get a defiler.

Hope this helps...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256919.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex

MOT is terrible on a lord.

Lascannons are not what they used to be. Still great at taking out high armour single targets but thats all they do.

because you have lascannons is every squad you have to choose weather or not to move them or actually kill something. something being a single something. If you do choose to move you move only 6 inches. So if nothing happens to be close to you your entire squad of shooting is wasted. they can do the same thing while sitting in a rhino with the luxury of not being templated to death

At the 1500pt level no heavy support and only a single cc squad is just not going to cut it.

Like I said I don;t want to come off as a negative jerk butthis list is just not a winner nor does it look fun to play!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256969.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3256983.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257055.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...
Easy. Cut the CSM down to 5 men, take Meltaguns and give them all Rhinos. Give the Chosen Meltaguns and Rhinos. Take 3 squads of Havocs with Missile Launchers. Drop the Chaos Lord and take a Sorcerer with Lash.

Done. It's more competitive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257061.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...

Okay.

Lash Sorcerer
2x 5 Chosen w/ melta (x4), Rhino
1x 5 Chosen w/ pg (x2), flamer (x2), Rhino
2x 10 CSM w/ melta (x2), Rhino
10 Lesser Daemons
3x 5 Havocs w/ ml (x4)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257066.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...
Easy. Cut the CSM down to 5 men, take Meltaguns and give them all Rhinos. Give the Chosen Meltaguns and Rhinos. Take 3 squads of Havocs with Missile Launchers. Drop the Chaos Lord and take a Sorcerer with Lash.

Done. It's more competitive.


Ah thats more like it some actual advice, but I would say no to the sorcerer replace with a prince with lash and it costs the same as the lord as well...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257072.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257072.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
happygolucky wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...
Easy. Cut the CSM down to 5 men, take Meltaguns and give them all Rhinos. Give the Chosen Meltaguns and Rhinos. Take 3 squads of Havocs with Missile Launchers. Drop the Chaos Lord and take a Sorcerer with Lash.

Done. It's more competitive.


Ah thats more like it some actual advice, but I would say no to the sorcerer replace with a prince with lash and it costs the same as the lord as well...

Well, a DP is a strange choice in an 'infiltrating force'.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3257080.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
happygolucky wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...
Easy. Cut the CSM down to 5 men, take Meltaguns and give them all Rhinos. Give the Chosen Meltaguns and Rhinos. Take 3 squads of Havocs with Missile Launchers. Drop the Chaos Lord and take a Sorcerer with Lash.

Done. It's more competitive.


Ah thats more like it some actual advice, but I would say no to the sorcerer replace with a prince with lash and it costs the same as the lord as well...
Do you kow the difference between a Sorcerer and a Deamon Prince? One can cast Lash safely from inside a Rhino, the other dies to anti-infantry weapons first or second turn, depending on if it has wings or not.

I don't understand this constant hard on everyone here has for Deamon Princes. They're T5 with 3+/5++, how is that difficult to take down?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3259180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3259180.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
I don't understand this constant hard on everyone here has for Deamon Princes. They're T5 with 3+/5++, how is that difficult to take down?

Well, DPs are good at smaller pt levels since the enemy can bring less heavy weapons to bear than in larger pt games. The threshold seems to be the 1750 pt level. Above this level, I'd take Sorcerers hidden in a squads or Rhinos.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260183.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex op carefully, you'll find that I never intended this to be a competitive list
This is a fun list
When I want to play like a douche, I take dark eldar]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260199.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
CalasTyphon216 wrote:If you read my op carefully, you'll find that I never intended this to be a competitive list
This is a fun list
When I want to play like a douche, I take dark eldar


you said your list is not a pushover list but it is.

What people are saying is your list will be very easily beaten by any even slightly competitive army. If you get first turn you might pop a few rhinos but thats a whole turn wasted shooting something that is 35 - 65 points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260214.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex CSM dex, the cornerstones of their tactics involves using local forces (Infiltrating in general the use of local troops) which with the current chaos dex you just can;t do.

Our troops cant infiltrate anymore and we dont have any cheap disposable troops anymore... not that im sore about the current chaos codex... no not at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3260249.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:Fail. Alpha Legion is specialized in the field of infliltration, but your CSM cannot. Foot slogging is a slow way to die.


Ok so can anyone give this guy some replacements for his army it looks like im the only one who has done that so far...
Easy. Cut the CSM down to 5 men, take Meltaguns and give them all Rhinos. Give the Chosen Meltaguns and Rhinos. Take 3 squads of Havocs with Missile Launchers. Drop the Chaos Lord and take a Sorcerer with Lash.

Done. It's more competitive.


Ah thats more like it some actual advice, but I would say no to the sorcerer replace with a prince with lash and it costs the same as the lord as well...
Do you kow the difference between a Sorcerer and a Deamon Prince? One can cast Lash safely from inside a Rhino, the other dies to anti-infantry weapons first or second turn, depending on if it has wings or not.

I don't understand this constant hard on everyone here has for Deamon Princes. They're T5 with 3+/5++, how is that difficult to take down?


Ever heard of eternal warrior...

Just my two cents..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265851.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex CSM squads but I can tell you right now that it won't work. I tried it. It failed miserably. SMs can do it because of combat squads. Without that rule, your stuck either paying 200 points for a lascannon or wasting the points you spent on it. Terminators - pick one thing, you have 4 anti-tank weapons and an anti-troop weapon. If you deep strike them, which I assume you are doing, keep the combi-meltas. If you footslog them, you are making a bad decision because unsupported they will die quickly and easily. I know a lot of people are recommending DPs. In your army, a Daemon Prince will die faster than anything else. You have no tanks to hide behind and since most boards you play on won't be able to adequately hide a Daemon Prince, he'll be dead by turn two. My friend ran a daemon prince against me and I used it for target practice. They are THAT EASY to take down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265922.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
Lord Sanguinis wrote:Okay, so here's my advice. I see what you're trying to do with 10-man CSM squads but I can tell you right now that it won't work. I tried it. It failed miserably. SMs can do it because of combat squads. Without that rule, your stuck either paying 200 points for a lascannon or wasting the points you spent on it. Terminators - pick one thing, you have 4 anti-tank weapons and an anti-troop weapon. If you deep strike them, which I assume you are doing, keep the combi-meltas. If you footslog them, you are making a bad decision because unsupported they will die quickly and easily. I know a lot of people are recommending DPs. In your army, a Daemon Prince will die faster than anything else. You have no tanks to hide behind and since most boards you play on won't be able to adequately hide a Daemon Prince, he'll be dead by turn two. My friend ran a daemon prince against me and I used it for target practice. They are THAT EASY to take down.


Not really if you give one mark of nurgle wings and warptime...

Just my two cents...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3265938.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
HQ:
DP with MoS or MoN?
if MoS consider two.

Elites:
Maybe Termicide. Maybe.

Fast Attack:
lol

Troops:
Would you prefer all plague marines, or mostly plague marines and a squad of berzerkers.
(If two DP with MoS maybe noise marines?)
Rhinos. Everywhere.

Heavy:
lots of oblits. With space, maybe a defiler, maybe a vindicator.

I know you said it was themed. and you were short on funds. but this is what everyone wants to see out of a chaos list. if you ask for C&C, this is what you'll get.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3266932.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3266932.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3267857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3267857.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
happygolucky wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:I don't understand this constant hard on everyone here has for Deamon Princes. They're T5 with 3+/5++, how is that difficult to take down?


Ever heard of eternal warrior...

Just my two cents..
Eternal Warrior doesn't mean gak when you have a 3+ save and anti-tank weapons wounds you on a 2+. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
My standard 1500 point SM list has 7 Missile Launcher, 16 Autocannon and 12 Heavy Bolter shots, which is enough to kill two Deamon Princes per turn. They're not a scary unit at high points level; ask a Tyranids player how long their Hive Tyrant lasts when it's the only MC in the list.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3267873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3267873.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
unbeliever87 wrote:Eternal Warrior doesn't mean gak when you have a 3+ save and anti-tank weapons wounds you on a 2+.


Too true. There are four rules every good little boy and girl need to employ when running a daemon prince in their CSM lists:

Rule 1) Never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever deep strike your daemon prince. He'll come in. He won't move. He'll get shot to death.

Rule 2) Give him pals. Tack him onto a unit so he has some wounds to soak up all those lascannon shots he's drawing.

Rule 3) Idle hands do the devil's work. Keep him busy in assault. ALWAYS.

Rule 4) Don't wast the points on MoK on a daemon prince, when you can give him MoS and either Lash or Warptime instead. Either one is a great build for a DP. The extra attack doesn't do him much good unless he as WT, and you can't give him WT with MoK. Vicious cycle. MoK is a point sink on this dude.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275315.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
finally you need rhino's!! footslogging across the board is going to fall even with ur failcannons. would love to see this army VS Tau, Orks and Nids ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275392.page GMT Re:Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
On your list, your Chosen have 2 weapons. The advantage of Chosen are they can take up to 5 special weapons, so only taking 2 is a waste.

Rhinos might not work with the Infiltrator theme, but foot-slogging CSM die. Give every squad a Rhino (Chosen can still Outflank in a Rhino).

Wuestenflux offers two Squads of A/T Chosen, and 1 Squad of A/A Chosen. If you'd like to keep your Termicides for the Infiltrator theme, then spec them either Deep Striking A/T (Reaper AC and Combi-Meltas) or Deep Striking A/A (Heavy Flamer and Combi-Flamers). Personally, I think Termicides are better at A/A, since they can kill most with Flamers, stand a round of close fire with their 2+, and assault with Power Weapons next turn. Chosen can move in 12" Outflank via Rhino, Disembark 2", and fire 6"/12" and smoke some Armour with 4 melta shots, so 1 Squad of A/A Termicides and 2 Squads of A/T Chosen pack the most punch.

Your CSM Squads have a Champion......why? He has no Power Weapon or Fist? 15 points for an extra CC attack? Give them a Rhino, the Champ a PF, and spec them either A/A (Plasma x2 or Flamer x2) or A/T (Melta x2).

My 2 cents.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3275910.page GMT Chaos Marines list actually using the Chaos Codex
unbeliever87 wrote:
happygolucky wrote:
unbeliever87 wrote:I don't understand this constant hard on everyone here has for Deamon Princes. They're T5 with 3+/5++, how is that difficult to take down?


Ever heard of eternal warrior...

Just my two cents..
Eternal Warrior doesn't mean gak when you have a 3+ save and anti-tank weapons wounds you on a 2+. This shouldn't be hard to understand.
My standard 1500 point SM list has 7 Missile Launcher, 16 Autocannon and 12 Heavy Bolter shots, which is enough to kill two Deamon Princes per turn. They're not a scary unit at high points level; ask a Tyranids player how long their Hive Tyrant lasts when it's the only MC in the list.


Well I can understand your concept but on table-top BUT you want to use powers if you roll a perils and fail his inv, he dies no more powers simples...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3280171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/393409/3280171.page GMT