<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "2000pts WoC vs New Ogres"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
So he took several of the new units (Mournfangs, Ironblaster, firebelly) and utilized new items as well (hellheart, dragonhide banner) and overall I can say that the new ogres got a lot deadlier!.... in shooting that is.

He took 2x4 leadbelchers and the iron blaster, plus fireball from the Firebelly. He was shooting at me a pretty good amount and killed a great deal of Marauders, a few knights, and a couple MoK warriors.

We learned that the new Mournfang calvary are still, in fact, calvary and should not go into powerful units unsupported when my MoK warriors wiped them out in one round of combat.

We also learned that the hell heart is pretty deadly considering it put 1 wound on my Lv4 and killed my Lv2 caster!

Overall I came out a good bit ahead and I am sitting here thinking that ogres will have new toys to play with but will ultimately have the same problems as they did with the last book.

I will write some more up about the battle tomorrow maybe, but I wanted to post this so people can see that the new ogres are hitting the tables!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3288990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3288990.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290040.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290127.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290127.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres lol. But like I said, d3 impact hits plus 7 attacks each and stomp is a lot of hitting power, just not enough to wipe out whole units.

Mournfang definately need to combo charge or flank charge stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290145.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
4 mournfangs in return should have 14 combat resolution against warriors with shields. 18 if they dont have shields.


He must have rolled really poorly, a unit of 6 mournfangs on the charge should easily beat any infantry unit that isn't in buss formation down to needing snake eyes for a break test. if they have the Dragonhide banner...

then again, the unit costs 500 points. it better wipe just about anything out on the charge.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290167.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres GT? Because my unit of 14 warriors w/ mok and halberds put out 28 attacks at ws and str5 and dealt about 5 wounds, 3 sticking through armor. He put out no wounds in return (aside from impact hits) and he broke, ran, and was caught two turns later.

Now he was only running 2 mournfang to test them out, not 6, but 6 mournfang with dragonhide banner is quite an investment! You would need to build your whole list around them so they could shine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290184.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
I guess its a way for GW to say "see, the box set is legal! Now cough up the cash for x3 mournfang boxes!" ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290189.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
Everyone is saying 4 is the minimum.


anyway, Mathhammer time.


3 unsaved wounds, 3 failed parry saves, 3 failed armor saves(3+ against Str5), requires 3+ to hit.

so the math is 3/(5/6)=3.6 wounds to get past parry. 3.6/(1/3) = 10.8 wounds to get past armor. 10.8/(2/3) = 16.2 hits. 16.2/(2/3) = 24.3 hits to cause 10.8 wounds.


so it seems like you actually just did enough average to kill that one mournfang. Still, you HAVE to have the Halberd and MoK to do this.

2 mournfangs is also much cheaper then your unit of Warriors so the result was to be expected.

the Halberd's str increase basically doubles the effectivness of the Warriors against the Mournfangs.


If he had had the Dragonhide banner and run a unit of 4 with full command we would have expected a much different result. a unit like that is 360 points. about on par with a medium block of warriors.

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Like I said originally, him charging such a unit was a mistake. If you took a full 6 man unit with dragonhide banner, the foot print would be huge, not too mention the points would be coming away from the already limited numbers... I am expecting people to use the mournfang like chariots and to support bulls. Add in the thundertusk to ASL everything around and you could wipe out alot of anything... Including warriors!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3290296.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres GT's 6 Mornfangs couldnt wipe my 30 Saurus, they really arent meant to be going in on their own.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3292455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3292455.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
Jackster wrote:Given that GT's 6 Mornfangs couldnt wipe my 30 Saurus, they really arent meant to be going in on their own.


You got Flesh to Stone off on them in the 2nd round, of course they couldn't kill them.

that and I failed a DT test when I charged so those 2 wounds you caused actually stripped my rank. If I had that rank you wouldn't have been steadfast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294073.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294353.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
They are actually capable of hitting blocks of 30 and winning. Naturally you need to consider the exact situation. Halberd WoC is one unit you do NOT want to slam into.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294420.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
Grey Templar wrote:
Jackster wrote:Given that GT's 6 Mornfangs couldnt wipe my 30 Saurus, they really arent meant to be going in on their own.


You got Flesh to Stone off on them in the 2nd round, of course they couldn't kill them.

that and I failed a DT test when I charged so those 2 wounds you caused actually stripped my rank. If I had that rank you wouldn't have been steadfast.

Excuses, excuses... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294480.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres lol.

I suppose i am adhering to general rule of not sending Calvary in against RnF unsupported. I also think the MF have great movement which could give them better target selection than just a block of clan rats or something with ws3/str 3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3294723.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
The jury is still out. Time needs to show if they are effective, and the calcs didn't take any magic buffing into account. I will definitely have to factor in some additional variables.

We do know that Halberd armed warriors are bad news for sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3295733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3295733.page GMT Re:2000pts WoC vs New Ogres http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3297903.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3297903.page GMT 2000pts WoC vs New Ogres
The firebelly has seemed to under perform in both games, but I will admit that he is a tough cookie! and the breath weapon+gw can make him pretty tough in a challenge. For gear I know he is running him with a dispel scroll and a something else (I'll have to check his list).

Mournfang in game 2 ended up breaking and running down a block of marauders after I lost 21!!!! to the Maw spell. But ended up getting stuck in on a 20 man block of hw and shielf warriors, which they could not break. Eventually a flank charge from the good ol' halberd warriors, again, put them in their place!

Stonehorn lost two wounds to my dancing Bloodcurdling roar sorcerer lord before making a charge into my knights. I felt that this was a poor target because he lost out on thunder stomp, but he did kill 2 knights and managed to hold my knights in place for Iron guts to kill (though the stone horn was thoroughly destroyed in the second round)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3298457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/395229/3298457.page GMT