<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Are you bloody kidding me? "]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/54.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/8755834/911-anniversary-Muslim-protesters-burn-US-flag-outside-embassy-in-London.html

So, we majestic British, we lion of the old world, we empire building, , tea drinking hardcore napoleon/hitler busting mutha-lovers can use riot gear armed police and cavalry charges on students protesting the loss of their grant...

But this filth are given the right to protest LEGALLY?!? They get another group moved on BY THE POLICE? How we have fallen into tepid and mediocre and spineless appeasement. How disgusting.

9/11 anniversary: Muslim protesters burn US flag outside embassy in London
A group of Muslim protesters set fire to an American flag outside the US embassy in London during a minute's silence to mark the moment that the first hijacked airliner hit the World Trade Center 10 years ago.
A number of radical Islamic groups including Muslims Against Crusades (MAC) gathered outside the embassy on the 10th anniversary of the attacks.
The group of around 100 men shouted "USA terrorists", brandished anti-American placards and chanted through a loudhailer.
Several members of the Muslim groups made anti-American speeches following the flag burning.
One said: "You will always face suffering, you will always face humiliation, unless you withdraw your troops from Muslim lands."
Another declared that America had been "defeated in Iraq and defeated in Afghanistan".
Members of the group publicly burned a poppy on Armistice Day in a similar stunt.

However, a small opposing group of Muslims - some of whom had travelled hundreds of miles to rebut the extremists - staged a counter-demonstration nearby, holding up placards reading "Muslims Against Extremism" and "If You Want Sharia, Move To Saudi".
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.
"I am proud to be British. I love my country. All these people are doing is breaking Britain apart."

One of the Grosvenor Square memorial service attendees, who did not want to be named, said the protesters should be stopped from standing just across the road from the embassy and using a loud megaphone.
The man, whose cousin died in the terror attacks, said: "They shouldn't be allowed to do it. It's very disrespectful. It's too loud."
He added: "They can say what they want but not with the loudspeaker."
Earlier a group of right-wing English Defence League protesters, who had gathered in response to the demonstration, were ordered to move on to accommodate the MAC supporters.
The 60-strong group of EDL supporters briefly scuffled with police as they were forced away from their original location to a different part of Grosvenor Square.


I want them rounded up and shot. In fact, give me a plane ticket and immunity from prosecution and I'll send them to their fun-packed afterlife myself. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313700.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313700.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
I'm more impressed by the group who traveled hundreds of miles just to stage a counter-demonstration to rebut the extremists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313768.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:Idiots always have the loudest voice, but not the strongest message.

I'm more impressed by the group who traveled hundreds of miles just to stage a counter-demonstration to rebut the extremists.



Agreed 100% here. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313785.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313789.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?

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KingCracker wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Idiots always have the loudest voice, but not the strongest message.

I'm more impressed by the group who traveled hundreds of miles just to stage a counter-demonstration to rebut the extremists.



Agreed 100% here.

As do I. I'm just a bit angered that not enough people showed up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313793.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Azure wrote:Seriously, caps off to the anti-extremists. They are the ones that make me believe that Islam is not completely evil, but it is a shame that they are also the ones that we hear of the least



Thats true, a friend of the family is Muslim, and her and all her family/friends are very kind down to earth types. Seeing extremists on TV protesting just makes me feel bad for the vast majority that dont believe in that, because it just makes them as a whole look bad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313808.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313818.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Karon wrote:So this is like when that nutjob preacher burned the Quran, right?

He never burned it, actually. The Fire Department showed up and informed him that if he tried to burn anything, the fire would be immediately put out, and all the books would be confiscated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313832.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Azure wrote:They are the ones that make me believe that Islam is not completely evil, but it is a shame that they are also the ones that we hear of the least

Why would we hear about them?

They're not doing something that will get ratings or sell newspapers.
Cynicism aside, I also have to give respect to the London Metropolitan Police.

It takes real class to stand up and defend someone who's talking out of their bile spewing, despicable and ugly face.

It takes even more to do it on an emotionally charged anniversary of a tragedy.


*doffs cap to the LMP*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313848.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313848.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Hats off to the anti extremist group, they're the real heroes in this gak, they are the example that people should use to look at most Muslims instead of the extremists...

A hearty "Feth off" to the soulless gaks who burned the flag and interrupted the silence...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313851.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Chowderhead wrote:
Karon wrote:So this is like when that nutjob preacher burned the Quran, right?

He never burned it, actually. The Fire Department showed up and informed him that if he tried to burn anything, the fire would be immediately put out, and all the books would be confiscated.


I completely missed that part..I thought the Riot's over in the Middle East were because he burned it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313856.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313866.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.


So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.

Most importantly, where is the overwhelming condemnation of this sort of hateful practice by the muslim community's religious leaders? Where were the group of Imams and Mullahs standing opposite these arseholes with 'you are wrong' and 'you do not speak for the rest of us' on their placards? There are 3 million muslims in the UK, why aren't these hate pedallers being drowned out by a sea of rejecting voices?

The majority remaining silent leads to the belief that whether or not they oppose the actions of these groups, they hold them dearer than the outsider or infidel.

"I against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313898.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/8755834/911-anniversary-Muslim-protesters-burn-US-flag-outside-embassy-in-London.html

So, we majestic British, we lion of the old world, we empire building, , tea drinking hardcore napoleon/hitler busting mutha-lovers can use riot gear armed police and cavalry charges on students protesting the loss of their grant...

But this filth are given the right to protest LEGALLY?!? They get another group moved on BY THE POLICE? How we have fallen into tepid and mediocre and spineless appeasement. How disgusting.

Not even remotely the same thing. The 'students protesting the loss of their grant' (which isn't actually what's happening, but hey-ho...) smashed up buildings in the centre of our capital city. They deserved everything they got and more.

Incidentally, I find it surprising that people are praising the EDL in this incident.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313969.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Maybe they think that speaking out would do nothing to change the overall situation.
I personally know of some folks who would consider any kind of opposing action taken by the 'moderate' Muslims to be a ruse to lull us infidels into a sense of security.

Maybe they think the best way to show that Islam is not accepting of these vitriolic, hatespewing imbeciles is to simply not acknowledge them. Don't oppose them, don't support them--ignore them.

Maybe they think that the best way to prove that Islam is not extremism is to simply ensure that they put their best foot forward and show people they encounter everyday the kindness they themselves would hope to receive from others.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313974.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Those fethers who burned the flag should face reprisals.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313977.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313977.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:

So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.


Why? Perhaps because Muslims aren’t some homogenous borg like entity but rather normal people like the rest of us, and like the rest of us couldn’t care less about about these nutters. There under no more obligation than you or I to speak out against them.

All kinds of fringe groups from every political and religious spectrum hold protest and make a nuisance of them self’s all over the UK every day, I just had some christian nutters drive past my house shouting through megaphones telling the world were all wretched sinners. They may be tools but let them as long as they dont break the law.

The great personal freedoms we enjoy in this country include being free to be a complete Arse.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313983.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313986.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:Who knows why they do not speak out?

Maybe they think that speaking out would do nothing to change the overall situation.
I personally know of some folks who would consider any kind of opposing action taken by the 'moderate' Muslims to be a ruse to lull us infidels into a sense of security.

Maybe they think the best way to show that Islam is not accepting of these vitriolic, hatespewing imbeciles is to simply not acknowledge them. Don't oppose them, don't support them--ignore them.

Maybe they think that the best way to prove that Islam is not extremism is to simply ensure that they put their best foot forward and show people they encounter everyday the kindness they themselves would hope to receive from others.


And quite possibly they are afraid of being targetted, as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313996.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313997.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? himself, just to be on the safe side...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3313999.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
ineptus astartes wrote:I went to visit a mosque in dubai, Islam is a religion that has a great many good things in it, but the extremists are not only disrespectful, they are heretics, Killing innocents is against the Qur'an, it is technically blasphemy, the terrorists are damning themselves by their own faith.

I would go in to a lengthy rant about the evil messages within all Abrahamic texts but I can't be bothered right now.
Also, suicide is something that will send you to hell in Islam. So even if these extremist fethers are right, they're still going to burn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314015.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
ineptus astartes wrote:Those fethers who burned the flag should face reprisals.


Like what?

It was insensitive of them, but isn't it akin to just shouting "Feth America!"?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314020.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.


So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.

Most importantly, where is the overwhelming condemnation of this sort of hateful practice by the muslim community's religious leaders? Where were the group of Imams and Mullahs standing opposite these arseholes with 'you are wrong' and 'you do not speak for the rest of us' on their placards? There are 3 million muslims in the UK, why aren't these hate pedallers being drowned out by a sea of rejecting voices?

The majority remaining silent leads to the belief that whether or not they oppose the actions of these groups, they hold them dearer than the outsider or infidel.

"I against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."


There are 230 million Christians in the USA, but I don't see them all speaking up against Fred Phelps. For the vast majority it's simply no concern of theirs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314025.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
TrollPie wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.


So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.

Most importantly, where is the overwhelming condemnation of this sort of hateful practice by the muslim community's religious leaders? Where were the group of Imams and Mullahs standing opposite these arseholes with 'you are wrong' and 'you do not speak for the rest of us' on their placards? There are 3 million muslims in the UK, why aren't these hate pedallers being drowned out by a sea of rejecting voices?

The majority remaining silent leads to the belief that whether or not they oppose the actions of these groups, they hold them dearer than the outsider or infidel.

"I against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."


There are 230 million Christians in the USA, but I don't see them all speaking up against Fred Phelps. For the vast majority it's simply no concern of theirs.


For all his sins, Fred Phelps aint piloting planes into buildings, either.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314099.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Slarg232 wrote:
TrollPie wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.


So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.

Most importantly, where is the overwhelming condemnation of this sort of hateful practice by the muslim community's religious leaders? Where were the group of Imams and Mullahs standing opposite these arseholes with 'you are wrong' and 'you do not speak for the rest of us' on their placards? There are 3 million muslims in the UK, why aren't these hate pedallers being drowned out by a sea of rejecting voices?

The majority remaining silent leads to the belief that whether or not they oppose the actions of these groups, they hold them dearer than the outsider or infidel.

"I against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."



There are 230 million Christians in the USA, but I don't see them all speaking up against Fred Phelps. For the vast majority it's simply no concern of theirs.


For all his sins, Fred Phelps aint piloting planes into buildings, either.


And neither are the majority of Muslims.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314109.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314115.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
TrollPie wrote:
There are 230 million Christians in the USA, but I don't see them all speaking up against Fred Phelps. For the vast majority it's simply no concern of theirs.

It's not so much that it's "no concern of theirs"--it's that even if you did speak up against Phelps, who's going to care?

The media outlets aren't interested in hearing about some schmuck out there who thinks Phelps is a jerkface.

And Slarg--Phelps may not be piloting planes into buildings, but he's no different than any of the radical imams encouraging extremism.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314125.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
The only caveat being that I should be allowed to go out with a placard saying "Muhammed was an illiterate goat fething nonce"

If I am granted the same freedom of speech as they are, then I'm all for it. But the double standards we have does annoy me somewhat, Muslims can get away with being far more aggressive verbally than I can.

Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314151.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
mattyrm wrote: Its called freedom of speech, I agree with their right to air their views.

The only caveat being that I should be allowed to go out with a placard saying "Muhammed was an illiterate goat fething nonce"

I'd have gone with "The Crusades Were A Draw" for the fun of it.

If I am granted the same freedom of speech as they are, then I'm all for it. But the double standards we have does annoy me somewhat, Muslims can get away with being far more aggressive verbally than I can.

Double standards will always exist. It's not just Muslims that can get away with being far more aggressive verbally like this, at least if we talk about the Western world in general.

Look at Fred Phelps for example. He and the WBC get away with all kinds of crap that if any kind of private group(without "church" or a religion in its name) pulled it they'd be on charges.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314167.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Also, could someone please tell my government to stop trying to keep fear alive? It's like they don't understand what the word "terror" means... or they understand it too well...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314177.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:It's not so much that it's "no concern of theirs"--it's that even if you did speak up against Phelps, who's going to care?

The media outlets aren't interested in hearing about some schmuck out there who thinks Phelps is a jerkface.


I think this is the crux of it. Moderation simply doesn't sell anymore, media wise. Being the voice of reason is also the voice of no ratings.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314191.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
mattyrm wrote:
Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.


You have always equated left wing with liberal or soft, you are incorrect.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314195.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
mattyrm wrote: Its called freedom of speech, I agree with their right to air their views.

The only caveat being that I should be allowed to go out with a placard saying "Muhammed was an illiterate goat fething nonce"

If I am granted the same freedom of speech as they are, then I'm all for it. But the double standards we have does annoy me somewhat, Muslims can get away with being far more aggressive verbally than I can.

Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.



you could say that, but it would be a lie.

if i recall, Jesus said 'turn the other cheek'

Too bad it does not work with extremists. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314199.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:
TrollPie wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings.
He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam.
"Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it.
"If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.


So, why haven't they? That massive majority of 'moderate' muslims have been woefully quiet.

Most importantly, where is the overwhelming condemnation of this sort of hateful practice by the muslim community's religious leaders? Where were the group of Imams and Mullahs standing opposite these arseholes with 'you are wrong' and 'you do not speak for the rest of us' on their placards? There are 3 million muslims in the UK, why aren't these hate pedallers being drowned out by a sea of rejecting voices?

The majority remaining silent leads to the belief that whether or not they oppose the actions of these groups, they hold them dearer than the outsider or infidel.

"I against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and I against strangers."



There are 230 million Christians in the USA, but I don't see them all speaking up against Fred Phelps. For the vast majority it's simply no concern of theirs.


For all his sins, Fred Phelps aint piloting planes into buildings, either.


And neither are the majority of Muslims.


I know, I'm just saying that Phelps, while he should burn in a deep circle of hell, isn't anywhere near as bad as the terrorists.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314220.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314220.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Slarg232 wrote:I know, I'm just saying that Phelps, while he should burn in a deep circle of hell, isn't anywhere near as bad as the terrorists.


He might not be atm but there are Christian extremists on the periphery and just waiting. Have we forgotten Oslo so soon?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314246.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?

Who is Fred Phelps?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314254.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
All round muppet, and feth head.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314262.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?


(somehow, I knew it was religion.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314285.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314285.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
ineptus astartes wrote:What did he DO though?



(somehow, I knew it was religion.)


He did a google search.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314294.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314298.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslims got mad, the Americans got scared.

Not really.

He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslim extremists started talking about how crazy they were going to retaliate against the West if he was allowed to do it, and there was finally a way to finally stalemate the dickbag in one of his PR stunts(which he and his family aka the WBC perform in the hopes of getting someone to rage out so the WBC can sue them) by citing that he was "at risk of creating an international incident".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314310.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslims got mad, the Americans got scared.

Not really.

He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslim extremists started talking about how crazy they were going to retaliate against the West if he was allowed to do it, and there was finally a way to finally stalemate the dickbag in one of his PR stunts(which he and his family aka the WBC perform in the hopes of getting someone to rage out so the WBC can sue them) by citing that he was "at risk of creating an international incident".


How is it "Not really"? The Muslims got mad, the Americans got scared and stopped him before any retaliation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314321.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?

wikipedia wrote:Phelps has stated that the 9/11 attacks were God's punishment on the United States. In a September 14, 2001 sermon Phelps said "God hates America, and those calamities last Tuesday are none other than the wrath of God, smiting (the derogatory word for gays) America.You need to see in those flames a little preview of the flames of Hell that are going to soon engulf you, my friend. Burn your soul forever!"




Maybe he should have his balls crushed under a boing 757.








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ineptus astartes wrote:What did he DO though?



(somehow, I knew it was religion.)

He goes to places he deems Satanic, including the funerals of dead gays and dead soldiers, with a bunch of followers, holding up signs saying things like "God hates fags", "thank God for dead US soldiers", "God hates Jews" etc. Not exactly a mass murderer, but still an all round terrible person..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314330.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
put his ass in a nepali prison and watch him starve.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314337.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslims got mad, the Americans got scared.

Not really.

He tried to burn the Qur'an, the Muslim extremists started talking about how crazy they were going to retaliate against the West if he was allowed to do it, and there was finally a way to finally stalemate the dickbag in one of his PR stunts(which he and his family aka the WBC perform in the hopes of getting someone to rage out so the WBC can sue them) by citing that he was "at risk of creating an international incident".


How is it "Not really"? The Muslims got mad, the Americans got scared and stopped him before any retaliation.

You really think it was because every single American was scared?

You have no idea how ridiculous that is.

The major reason to stop it has nothing to do with fear of reprisal.
It has everything to do with tolerance.

What the hell kind of message does allowing him to burn the Islamic holy book send, when we "tuttut" if someone even jokes about burning a Bible?
America has a standard. Letting donkey-caves do whatever they want isn't it, not when it comes to religious tolerance.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314338.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
You really think it was because every single American was scared?

You have no idea how ridiculous that is.

The major reason to stop it has nothing to do with fear of reprisal.


Nothing at all to do with fear of reprisal? Nothing at all? really?

General David Petraeus (U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan), the U.S. Attorney General, and even the President have all been urging the church's pastor to call off the event


the argument has been that such an event will inflame public opinion, incite violence, and endanger U.S. forces.


He was trying to motive further violence through the burning, I thought that was obvious.


I don't think that christians as awhole would be as wrathful if some joe burnt a bible.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314369.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Google search later - aye, Terry Jones, and according to a news report I just read, he did burn one as well. Only 30 folks showed up though.

He's a muppet as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314399.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314399.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You really think it was because every single American was scared?

You have no idea how ridiculous that is.

The major reason to stop it has nothing to do with fear of reprisal.


Nothing at all to do with fear of reprisal? Nothing at all? really?

Blah blah blah.

I can tell you not to do something because if you do it, Dave across the street would bomb Joe in the next neighborhood over.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily true. I can be trying to scare you into doing something.

General David Petraeus (U.S. commander of the war in Afghanistan), the U.S. Attorney General, and even the President have all been urging the church's pastor to call off the event


the argument has been that such an event will inflame public opinion, incite violence, and endanger U.S. forces.


He was trying to motive further violence through the burning, I thought that was obvious.

And in case you didn't notice, it actually wasn't talking about the US citizenry.

It was United States forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. They tried to appeal to his sense of decency and guilt him into not doing it(that doesn't work when you're a morally stunted douchebag) by saying that if he does X, then Y will happen to people who are putting their lives on the line so he can be a douchebag.


I don't think that christians as awhole would be as wrathful if some joe burnt a bible.

And neither would Muslims if he burned a Qur'an.

However, extremist Christian groups like Aryan Nation, Christian Identity Movement, Covenant(Sword and Arm of the Lord), and the Phineas Priesthood might take exception to his shenanigans.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314401.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.


You have always equated left wing with liberal or soft, you are incorrect.



I disagree, who is more likely to be pro capital punishment, and pro long jail terms?

A bigoted old conservative bloke who says things like "bring back the birch!" or some screaming socialist who thinks they should send burglars on "self improvement courses" with social workers?

But anyway, that's OT, I was only yanking your chain.

I've said my bit, I think we should allow free speech for everyone or nobody.

And if these scum can celebrate cold blooded murder then I should be allowed to print and sell Muhammed cartoons and put placards up outside their houses informing people that they treat women like rats and set up a pig farm in a mosque car park. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314411.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314425.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
Blah blah blah.


This a summery of your post?


I can tell you not to do something because if you do it, Dave across the street would bomb Joe in the next neighborhood over.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily true. I can be trying to scare you into doing something.


Ummm....okay. Well, seeing as the president, attorney general etc made him stop, than they did get scared, according to your statement.


And in case you didn't notice, it actually wasn't talking about the US citizenry.


Snide comments don't help your argument.

I never referred to it effecting the citizens, so I don't know why you mentioned this. Retaliation against US force's would effect the citizenry, it would effect family, friends, tax payers, etc



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mattyrm wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.


You have always equated left wing with liberal or soft, you are incorrect.



I disagree, who is more likely to be pro capital punishment, and pro long jail terms?

A bigoted old conservative bloke who says things like "bring back the birch!" or some screaming socialist who thinks they should send burglars on "self improvement courses" with social workers?


The problem seems that you are basing your argument on stereotypes and wedge issues, not on the reality of the diversity of human thought, experience, and motivation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314434.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
I'm for a return of the death penalty immediatly for cop and child killers for example.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314446.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Ahtman wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.


You have always equated left wing with liberal or soft, you are incorrect.



I disagree, who is more likely to be pro capital punishment, and pro long jail terms?

A bigoted old conservative bloke who says things like "bring back the birch!" or some screaming socialist who thinks they should send burglars on "self improvement courses" with social workers?


The problem seems that you are basing your argument on stereotypes and wedge issues, not on the reality of the diversity of human thought, experience, and motivation.


But I like stereotypes!

All joking aside, they exist because they are largely true, and that's why I vote Tory.

Its very simple - Labour- give more money to doley's, immigrants, poor people.
Conservative - somewhat racist, give less money to doley's immigrants and poor people.

Is anything about that broadbrush incorrect?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314453.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Blah blah blah.


This a summery of your post?

Personal attacks(bad ones at that) don't help your argument.


I can tell you not to do something because if you do it, Dave across the street would bomb Joe in the next neighborhood over.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily true. I can be trying to scare you into doing something.


Ummm....okay. Well, seeing as the president, attorney general etc made him stop, than they did get scared, according to your argument.

...
I'm sorry, but you failed to grasp the concept. I'll explain it for you using a hypothetical situation.

If I, as head of the homeowner's association for the neighborhood you lived in, told you that if you planted Bermuda grass(after having gotten permission from a vote within the homeowner's board) instead of the grass that everyone else planted that Dave would blow up Joe's(who lives in the next neighborhood over) home--I'm not "getting scared" of you planting Bermuda grass.

I'm using fear(Dave will kill Joe!) to try to appeal to your sense of decency and trying to guilt you into doing what I want but can't legally stop you from doing.


And in case you didn't notice, it actually wasn't talking about the US citizenry.


Snide comments don't help your argument.

Retaliation against US force's would effect the citizenry, it would effect family, friends, tax payers, etc

And the people directly affected would be a relatively small piece of the overall population.
Saying that taxpayers would be affected is silly.

Is it a sad fact that people wouldn't care that much that soldiers would die and their families and friends be affected?

Sure. But it's facts. Many people don't really care what happens beyond how it impacts them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314464.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
mattyrm wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
mattyrm wrote:
Hey-ho. If it gets lefty types like you seeing things my way, then I'm all for Muslims doing gak like this.


You have always equated left wing with liberal or soft, you are incorrect.



I disagree, who is more likely to be pro capital punishment, and pro long jail terms?

A bigoted old conservative bloke who says things like "bring back the birch!" or some screaming socialist who thinks they should send burglars on "self improvement courses" with social workers?


The problem seems that you are basing your argument on stereotypes and wedge issues, not on the reality of the diversity of human thought, experience, and motivation.


But I like stereotypes!

All joking aside, they exist because they are largely true, and that's why I vote Tory.

Its very simple - Labour- give more money to doley's, immigrants, poor people.
Conservative - somewhat racist, give less money to doley's immigrants and poor people.

Is anything about that broadbrush incorrect?



Well, just that broadbrushing doesn't work. and until we figure that out, people won't start getting along better any sooner.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314471.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Blah blah blah.


This a summery of your post?

Personal attacks(bad ones at that) don't help your argument.


That was no more a personal attack than you saying Blah blah blah to my comment.

I'm sorry, but you failed to grasp the concept. I'll explain it for you using a hypothetical situation.

If I, as head of the homeowner's association for the neighborhood you lived in, told you that if you planted Bermuda grass(after having gotten permission from a vote within the homeowner's board) instead of the grass that everyone else planted that Dave would blow up Joe's(who lives in the next neighborhood over) home--I'm not "getting scared" of you planting Bermuda grass.


I know your not getting scared of the bermuda grass being planted (Qur'an being burnt), but instead being scared for poor Joe being blown up (Reprisals) I think your the one who is failing to grasp the concept, your own concept at that.

Fear is human nature, if you are convinced that no Americans were scared of reprisals from extremists, than your wrong.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314496.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Blah blah blah.


This a summery of your post?

Personal attacks(bad ones at that) don't help your argument.


That was no more a personal attack than you saying Blah blah blah to my comment.

The "blah blah blah" was more in reference to the fact that it was politickspeak.

@Example: I know your not getting scared of the bermuda grass being planted (Qur'an being burnt), but instead being scared for poor Joe being blown up (Reprisals) I think your the one who is failing to grasp the concept.

...

I think you need to read better.

I made up the fact that Dave will bomb Joe. I made it up, to use as a justification for preventing you doing what I cannot legally prevent you from doing.

Joe is not in any more danger than he normally is in his everyday life.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314506.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
I think you need to read better.

I made up the fact that Dave will bomb Joe. I made it up, to use as a justification for preventing you doing what I cannot legally prevent you from doing.

Joe is not in any more danger than he normally is in his everyday life.


So you (American government) made up the terrorist threats (Reprisals) to stop me planting some grass (burning qur'an) Is that what your saying?

If I failed to get it again, please explain.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314522.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
mattyrm wrote: All joking aside, they exist because they are largely true


Actually they exist because they make our lives much simpler. Instead of having to go through the complexities of existence and details of any given situation we create a cheat sheet.


mattyrm wrote: Its very simple - Labour- give more money to doley's, immigrants, poor people.
Conservative - somewhat racist, give less money to doley's immigrants and poor people.

Is anything about that broadbrush incorrect?


Political Parties =/= the building blocks of ideas and reality. They dumb it down to distill a message to try and get votes but even then they are generally more complex than that allows. I'm sure even within the Tories there are people who would disagree with things you think and vice-versa. Parties also change over time, thus again showing they are some immutable thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314534.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314534.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I think you need to read better.

I made up the fact that Dave will bomb Joe. I made it up, to use as a justification for preventing you doing what I cannot legally prevent you from doing.

Joe is not in any more danger than he normally is in his everyday life.


So you (American government) made up the terrorist threats (Reprisals) to stop me planting some grass (burning qur'an) Is that what your saying?

If I failed to get it again, please explain.

It's a white lie.

The reason they said, specifically, that US forces were at risk of reprisals was a simple one.

US forces are always at risk of reprisals in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I can say, as the American government, that if you were to burn a Qur'an that you would be putting US forces at risk of reprisals in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Is it true? Not necessarily, but I could make the link regardless of it being true or not.

Just like Dave may one day bomb Joe's house, and I can say it's because you planted Bermuda grass when in reality it's because Dave was just a murderous jerk who seized upon a reason floating out there to perform a task he wanted to do anyways.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314540.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Kanluwen wrote:
It's a white lie.


Sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory. Any facts to back this up?


What I got was, the American government, were using fear tactics against its own citizens, and that, according to you, Americans weren't scared?

Toastedandy wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You really think it was because every single American was scared?

You have no idea how ridiculous that is.

The major reason to stop it has nothing to do with fear of reprisal.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314559.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314573.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314609.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Toastedandy wrote:Awwwwww shucks. No more half guessed remarks to make?

I think he's just probably had more than enough of your trolling for the time being. Well, trolling or lack of basic reading comprehension, which, judging by your posting standards, seems eminently possible.

Let me break it down for you: You don't have to be afraid of a thing to use the fear of that thing in order to get what you want. In this case, what was wanted was for the person in question not to burn the Koran, offending millions of muslims around the world, at a time when the USA and her allies have thousands of troops in Islamic countries, not to mention the delicate situation in North Africa. Oh, and deteriorating relationships with Pakistan. The last thing we want is for all Muslims around the world to feel that we are at war with their religion. This makes our lives, and the jobs of our politicians and servicemen/women more difficult, completely needlessly. In light of this, anything we can do to lessen the possibility of incidents occurring that make the current situation look like a 'clash of civilisations', we should do, if possible. Shutting this idiotic fething loudmouth up, and stopping him from purposely offending Muslims was something that could be done by working the 'national interest' angle. After all, shutting him up was in the national interest of the US - but only because it was embarrassing and pointless, not because the US feared a full-on armed insurrection by the American Muslim population or anything. If you think that, then I have no problems telling you how stupid you are for thinking that.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314690.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314690.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Albatross wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:Awwwwww shucks. No more half guessed remarks to make?

I think he's just probably had more than enough of your trolling for the time being. Well, trolling or lack of basic reading comprehension, which, judging by your posting standards, seems eminently possible.

Let me break it down for you: You don't have to be afraid of a thing to use the fear of that thing in order to get what you want. In this case, what was wanted was for the person in question not to burn the Koran, offending millions of muslims around the world, at a time when the USA and her allies have thousands of troops in Islamic countries, not to mention the delicate situation in North Africa. Oh, and deteriorating relationships with Pakistan. The last thing we want is for all Muslims around the world to feel that we are at war with their religion. This makes our lives, and the jobs of our politicians and servicemen/women more difficult, completely needlessly. In light of this, anything we can do to lessen the possibility of incidents occurring that make the current situation look like a 'clash of civilisations', we should do, if possible. Shutting this idiotic fething loudmouth up, and stopping him from purposely offending Muslims was something that could be done by working the 'national interest' angle. After all, shutting him up was in the national interest of the US - but only because it was embarrassing and pointless, not because the US feared a full-on armed insurrection by the American Muslim population or anything. If you think that, then I have no problems telling you how stupid you are for thinking that.



Well said , sir. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3314740.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Albatross wrote:
Toastedandy wrote:Awwwwww shucks. No more half guessed remarks to make?

I think he's just probably had more than enough of your trolling for the time being. Well, trolling or lack of basic reading comprehension, which, judging by your posting standards, seems eminently possible.

Let me break it down for you: You don't have to be afraid of a thing to use the fear of that thing in order to get what you want. In this case, what was wanted was for the person in question not to burn the Koran, offending millions of muslims around the world, at a time when the USA and her allies have thousands of troops in Islamic countries, not to mention the delicate situation in North Africa. Oh, and deteriorating relationships with Pakistan. The last thing we want is for all Muslims around the world to feel that we are at war with their religion. This makes our lives, and the jobs of our politicians and servicemen/women more difficult, completely needlessly. In light of this, anything we can do to lessen the possibility of incidents occurring that make the current situation look like a 'clash of civilisations', we should do, if possible. Shutting this idiotic fething loudmouth up, and stopping him from purposely offending Muslims was something that could be done by working the 'national interest' angle. After all, shutting him up was in the national interest of the US - but only because it was embarrassing and pointless, not because the US feared a full-on armed insurrection by the American Muslim population or anything. If you think that, then I have no problems telling you how stupid you are for thinking that.



You guys have lost me here, your little arguments.

Its like nation politics!


"Breaking news: Kanluwen puts Toastedandy on ignore! what effect will this have on the higher levels of moderation, and the anarchy of the OT forums, which already threaten to disintegrate into war?"

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Or a thread on Islam (like this one..) where you KNOW that Mattyrm will come in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315165.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Ahtman wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:I know, I'm just saying that Phelps, while he should burn in a deep circle of hell, isn't anywhere near as bad as the terrorists.


He might not be atm but there are Christian extremists on the periphery and just waiting. Have we forgotten Oslo so soon?


Yes, but still; Phelps isn't bombing stuff, and we don't exactly punish people for what they MIGHT do.

Besides, I don't think Phelps is stupid enough to give everyone who wants to do anything about him an actual reason to be let off the chain. I hope to any god that is listening I'm wrong though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315176.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Slarg232 wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:I know, I'm just saying that Phelps, while he should burn in a deep circle of hell, isn't anywhere near as bad as the terrorists.


He might not be atm but there are Christian extremists on the periphery and just waiting. Have we forgotten Oslo so soon?


Yes, but still; Phelps isn't bombing stuff, and we don't exactly punish people for what they MIGHT do.

Besides, I don't think Phelps is stupid enough to give everyone who wants to do anything about him an actual reason to be let off the chain. I hope to any god that is listening I'm wrong though.


I already said Phelps hadn't done anything violent, the point is that there are Christian extremists and they do take actions. Forgetting Norway there is also the Oklahoma City bombing as well as abortion clinic bombings/killings, and that is just in the US. Acting like only one group (Muslims) perpetrate violent acts is ridiculous, and smacks of cherry picking. What I really am trying to get at is that this shouldn't be about "X Extremists are not as bad as Y Extremist" because they are all extremists. They are all bad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315557.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?

But, this is freedom of speech. Even though it is disgusting, they have the right to do it even over here in most cases. Burning the flag is a protected form of speech because it serves no official purpose(burning draft cards is illegal because they serve a purpose, although I lost mine somewhere, should probably get a new one soon).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3315898.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
halonachos wrote:Oklahoma City wasn't religious, while he cited Waco as a reason for blowing up the building it was more because he believed in freedom from the government. It was why McVeigh was caught with a shirt saying something about the "Tree of Freedom being watered with the blood of...." or something like that. McVeigh wasn't a christian extremist, just someone fed up with the government(hint, hint, he attacked a government building).


But, this is freedom of speech. Even though it is disgusting, they have the right to do it even over here in most cases. Burning the flag is a protected form of speech because it serves no official purpose(burning draft cards is illegal because they serve a purpose, although I lost mine somewhere, should probably get a new one soon).


Most right wing militias also have a religious competent (WACO certainly did), and most white power groups do as well. When a Muslim does we only qualify it in terms of religion, but if a non Muslim in the west does it is because of their political beliefs. McVey was fairly contradictory in many of his statements so the role of it can be murky, so I will give you that it is debatable. OTOH many extremist christian groups have held him up as an icon. Couching it in terms of Amercian Exceptionalism doesn't make it a secular incident, especially if they think of America and Christianity as essentially the same things.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316028.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Ahtman wrote:
halonachos wrote:Oklahoma City wasn't religious, while he cited Waco as a reason for blowing up the building it was more because he believed in freedom from the government. It was why McVeigh was caught with a shirt saying something about the "Tree of Freedom being watered with the blood of...." or something like that. McVeigh wasn't a christian extremist, just someone fed up with the government(hint, hint, he attacked a government building).


But, this is freedom of speech. Even though it is disgusting, they have the right to do it even over here in most cases. Burning the flag is a protected form of speech because it serves no official purpose(burning draft cards is illegal because they serve a purpose, although I lost mine somewhere, should probably get a new one soon).


Most right wing militias also have a religious competent (WACO certainly did), and most white power groups do as well. When a Muslim does we only qualify it in terms of religion, but if a non Muslim in the west does it is because of their political beliefs. McVey was fairly contradictory in many of his statements so the role of it can be murky, so I will give you that it is debatable. OTOH many extremist christian groups have held him up as an icon. Couching it in terms of Amercian Exceptionalism doesn't make it a secular incident, especially if they think of America and Christianity as essentially the same things.


I can see why people would want to use him as an example of religious extremism, Christian Extremists use him as an example because they're idiots and don't understand why he did what he did. He felt 'bad' because there was a daycare, in fact he said that he would probably change his target had he known there was a daycare, but when asked about it he said that it wasn't like they were the first to lose a son or daughter. The guy never cited religion, but he cited a lot of anger towards government, saying that he started to garner a lot of it during the Gulf War(yep the guy was a vet). And like I said, he was arrested wearing an anti-government that said "The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-Thomas Jefferson" and featured the etching of a tree behind it. I would say that it was secular, the Waco event was a source of inspiration for him but he didn't do the bombing to get revenge for religious means, but he did it because he thought that the government was infringing on rights the government was supposed to give.

He said something about being in hell with the fighter pilots who 'had to bomb innocents' and said something about people who go against the constitution are evil. So far a lot of Islamic fanatics use religious reasons(if you call something a Jihad, its a holy war). If an arabic person uses politics then I will call them political fanatics, if one of the protesters in Egypt blew up an Egyptian government building, it would be a political action.

Not sure if these guys are using religion or not, but seeing as though there have been rallies in England featuring signs saying things like "Kill the Pope" I will say that they tend to be religious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316061.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316078.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316254.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316286.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
TrollPie wrote:It's times like this when I think that Frazzled may have the right idea.


You have spoken His Name. Now you are marked by His Sign. (here hold this sign).

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Goddard wrote:Let's all calm down and take a step back, and think about what we're saying.




Lets do this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316800.page GMT Are you bloody kidding me?
Slarg232 wrote:For all his sins, Fred Phelps aint piloting planes into buildings, either.
No, but he's preaching hate, the antithesis of everything Christianity stands for.

Then again, given the amount of non-Phelps Christians who preach hate themselves and therefor don't exactly have much of a moral high ground to stand on, it's hardly surprising that he isn't spoken out against more.
KingCracker wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:I'm more impressed by the group who traveled hundreds of miles just to stage a counter-demonstration to rebut the extremists.
Agreed 100% here.
Yes, indeed.
ineptus astartes wrote:Who is Fred Phelps?


Phelps is a homophobic gakfether and a worthless clown, who goes around disrespecting the dead (specifically arranging protests at any and all military funerals he can find), attacking all western countries, blaming all natural disasters on the country "angering god", and doing his best to incite Islam into attacking the United States so that more people whom haven't converted to his very specific version of Christianity which essentially boils down to "we're right, and everyone else is going to hell".

Basically, he's just your average Christian extremist (they're all utter nutjobs and pretty much trash), except he's gotten more press than is normal. He's one of the few people whom I honestly hope will get hit by a tornado as part of "god's wrath".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3316823.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
Slarg232 wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Slarg232 wrote:I know, I'm just saying that Phelps, while he should burn in a deep circle of hell, isn't anywhere near as bad as the terrorists.


He might not be atm but there are Christian extremists on the periphery and just waiting. Have we forgotten Oslo so soon?


Yes, but still; Phelps isn't bombing stuff, and we don't exactly punish people for what they MIGHT do.


Mandatory insurance is punishment for what you might do, fwiw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3317040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/396614/3317040.page GMT Re:Are you bloody kidding me?
As far as stereotypes go they do exist in real life, I actually met some Catholics who believed that dinosaur bones were put on Earth by satan to trick us and that evolution never occured. I of course compare them to myself and our church's now retired priest who happen to believe in evolution and that homosexuality in itself is not a sin.

But back to the topic at hand, they obviously feel displeasure towards America and maybe were trying to get warm by burning the flags. Either way, when you play with fire...

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