<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "What point level do ork bikers become viable? (And other Kult of Speed kwesschuns)"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net What point level do ork bikers become viable? (And other Kult of Speed kwesschuns) pks, painboy, cybork, and the usual deathstar upgrades. It's a lot of points - 145ish for the HQ (well, that's not so bad) and 350ish for the nobs. Will they fit in a 1500 point army? 1250? 1000? In a 1000 pt army how about dropping 2 nobs and running with a group of 3, no painboy?

Also, how do I support a biker deathstar in a Kult of Speed army? (I 'eard it woz sumpin called sinna-geez!)

Put my boys in Trukks, Wagons, or both? I was thinking both -- Trukks with slugga boys and wagon with shoota boys. Would wagons just be too slow, struggling to get up the battlefield while my deathstar gets krumped? If trukks, what the heck do I do with my heavy support slots? Killkannon wagon in the back? Big gunz? Nuttin'?

Do burna boys do well in a kult of speed army? They'd need to go in a wagon, so that ties into the above question.

Was thinking small points slot fillers / support in the form of a sprinkling of lootas in 1 or 2 elites slots and deffkoptas/buggies for all 3 fast attack.

Saddest thing is it sounds like bikers wouldn't do well with a kan wall. Shame because i was looking forward to painting some kans.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320036.page GMT Re:What point level do ork bikers become viable? (And other Kult of Speed kwesschuns)
Nob bikers "deathstar" really works in 2000K armies... maybe a small one at 1500K armies.

Instead of me re-typing it, here's an answer I did for someone else (and the whole thread is good):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/379582/3015728.page#3015728

Here's another variation with Nob bikers:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357312.page#2618364 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320192.page GMT What point level do ork bikers become viable? (And other Kult of Speed kwesschuns)
nicksavage wrote:Planning on making some biker nobz and a biker boss, upgraded with pks, painboy, cybork, and the usual deathstar upgrades. It's a lot of points - 145ish for the HQ (well, that's not so bad) and 350ish for the nobs. Will they fit in a 1500 point army? 1250? 1000? In a 1000 pt army how about dropping 2 nobs and running with a group of 3, no painboy?

While I often run biker nobz at 1000 points myself, it's probably not the best thing to do. If your opponent manages to stop them before they've done enough damage(for example lucky leman russ battle cannon hit) , you will most likely lose the game. However, if they are not stopped, they have the potential to wipe out those 1000 points on the other side all by themselves. It's a gamble really, your choice if you're willing to take it. If you want to field the shrunken down unit, don't drop the painboy. He is basically one of the reasons why nob bikers are good in the first place, cybork and FNP are essential to their survival.

In games of 1500+ points nob biker become less of a core of your army, but rather one of many assets. You can use them instead of a nob battlewagon or if you are foot slogging and still want to field nobz. The downside is always that your warboss can't look after burnaz or boyz, but must stay with them for LD and catching S8 shots.

Also, how do I support a biker deathstar in a Kult of Speed army? (I 'eard it woz sumpin called sinna-geez!)

The point of a deathstar is that it doesn't need support. Actually it's the other way around, you have to figure out what enemy units are the most dangerous to the rest of your army, or which units can't be handled by your other stuff at all, and then get your nob bikers there.

Put my boys in Trukks, Wagons, or both? I was thinking both -- Trukks with slugga boys and wagon with shoota boys. Would wagons just be too slow, struggling to get up the battlefield while my deathstar gets krumped? If trukks, what the heck do I do with my heavy support slots? Killkannon wagon in the back? Big gunz? Nuttin'?

There are really two options for KoS armies, one is trukks all the way, using Mega-Armored Nobz for even more trukks and buggies for more AV10 to shoot at. Those armies usually field either cheap big gunz (lobba or kannon, your call) or boomgun looted wagons for even more low AV.
The other option is using two battlewagons to expand the KFF across your army and add deff rollas for anti-tank. Either way you army should stay together, so even if your trukks can move 19" flat out, you should never leave the protective bubble of the KFF, i.e. stay with your wagons.
Trukks should always have slugga boys, as you need the additional attacks when charging out of it, due to low head count. For battlewagons I run one of each and then get each unit to the target they are better at killing (sluggas kill shooty/hordy stuff better, shootas kill cc units better).

Do burna boys do well in a kult of speed army? They'd need to go in a wagon, so that ties into the above question.

Yes and no. In the variant using battlewagons, you could of course put burnaz in one of the wagons, however that wagon is going to die first and will cause them to footslog anyways. As you probably already know, they aren't a great unit to be on foot.

Was thinking small points slot fillers / support in the form of a sprinkling of lootas in 1 or 2 elites slots and deffkoptas/buggies for all 3 fast attack.

If you don't need the elite slots for extra trukks, lootaz are a great option. They add ranged anti-transport fire to your army, which helps to compensate the ork's greatest weakness. KoS should always use buggies over deffkoptaz, as they add target saturation to your army. If you are running all trukks, that heavy bolter on the other side of the table is definitely going to shoot your trukks, if you add buggies, they now have to decide between those three TL-rokkits threatening their tank and the trukks full of orks threatening whatever they are driving at.

Saddest thing is it sounds like bikers wouldn't do well with a kan wall. Shame because i was looking forward to painting some kans.

Yeah, sadly walkers don't mix well with speedy orks. The guy who got me into the hobby constatly runs kanz with his kult of speed army and they usually do nothing but waddle behind the army and occasionally shoot the grotzooka at something.
Amusingly, the KoS Warboss Zhadsnark Da Rippa from IA:8 refuses to take walkers along, because they're too slow ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3320881.page GMT What point level do ork bikers become viable? (And other Kult of Speed kwesschuns)
T/L dakkaguns/shootas give them a lot of unusually reliable shooting for Orks, the exhaust cloud gives the bikes a permanent cover save, which really saves their bacon and the whole army can get anywhere on the board whenever they like.

Plus Wazdakka can be an absolute monstrousity, given his speed, firepower and CC ability.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3321084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/397006/3321084.page GMT