daedalus wrote:Not saying they ALL were. You happened to highlight some of my favorites of the era (well, except Pearl Jam--yuck). I liked Nirvana also. They just opened the door for anyone who could afford a flannel shirt and a guitar.

I feel very much so the same way about Blink 182. Though I liked them, were it not for Dude Ranch, we would be free of a lot of the mediocre bands than followed in their wake.

filbert wrote:I feel old(er) now....

corpsesarefun wrote:Pop-punk-rock then.

Cheesecat wrote:

daedalus wrote:Not saying they ALL were. You happened to highlight some of my favorites of the era (well, except Pearl Jam--yuck). I liked Nirvana also. They just opened the door for anyone who could afford a flannel shirt and a guitar.

I feel very much so the same way about Blink 182. Though I liked them, were it not for Dude Ranch, we would be free of a lot of the mediocre bands than followed in their wake.

Punk Rock (which influenced grunge music) was a well established and known genre way before Blink 182 existed.

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:

filbert wrote:I feel old(er) now....

Dude, I feel your pain.... Though I am going to watch Ian Anderson perform the whole 'Thick As A Brick' album next year! So maybe I am old when it comes to musical taste.

As for punk setting up the grunge scene in the early 90's, agreed. And some of the biggest influences on Nirvana were around in the 70's!

Cheesecat wrote:

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:

filbert wrote:I feel old(er) now....

Dude, I feel your pain.... Though I am going to watch Ian Anderson perform the whole 'Thick As A Brick' album next year! So maybe I am old when it comes to musical taste.

As for punk setting up the grunge scene in the early 90's, agreed. And some of the biggest influences on Nirvana were around in the 70's!

Speaking of progressive rock I'm currently listening to Yes's "Fragile" album. Interesting Fact: "Thick As A Brick" was made as a spoof to all the people who were calling there previous album "Aqualung" a concept

album, so Jethro Tull released the most pretentious concept album they could think of.

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Hi Dakka!

I'm a pretty big Nirvana fan, I was 11 when 'Nevermind' was realeased and remember clearly getting my sweaty fingers on my first copy...
Point is, I'm 31 now and that means next week is 20 years since that seminal album was released and it still sounds fresh, even now.

Do you guys and gals think that of the new, modern bands out there, any of their releases will still be looked at in the same light 20 years from now?
I'm of the school of thought that 'Nevermind' changed the very face of rock music, and I count myself lucky to have been about when that happened. I can't think of a single album in the last 20 years that actually changed the genre of it's type so totally.

So come on Dakkanauts, what do you guys think? Has there been an album that changed the landscape of its genre in the same way that 'Nevermind' did 20 years ago?

Frazzled wrote:I'm just consistently annoyed when douchebags wind themselves up and proclaim Nirvana was the voice of a generation. Er...no.

notprop wrote:Fraz, I thought that the voice of your generation was Perry Como?

Still, er...... Nevermind.

daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".

KingCracker wrote: Over rated, would be my view on them

English Assassin wrote:

daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".

I think I'd be inclined to argue that 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols' marked the point at which punk became popular and flooded with mediocrity.

Cheesecat wrote:

English Assassin wrote:

daedalus wrote:Well, in the sense that Nirvana made grunge popular enough for it to get flooded with mediocrity, I suppose you could say that Blink 182's Dude Ranch did the same thing to "punk rock".

I think I'd be inclined to argue that 'Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols' marked the point at which punk became popular and flooded with mediocrity.

Yeah a lot of punk bands are duds but there's a few good ones like "The Germs".

George Spiggott wrote:Definitely my second favourite Nirvana album. I much prefer In Utero.

This is probably my favourite track, and video from Nevermind.



I do wish I'd picked up the 12" picture disc singles from Nevermind when I had the chance.

olympia wrote:Of feth. Frazzled and I share musical tastes? Oh feth. Either I am more of an ass than I think I am, or you are less of an ass than I think you are.

Melchiour wrote:They had some good songs but I think they are overrated in the end. I always wondered if he hadn't offed himself if they would have become the legend they are.

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Frazzled wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Corrected your typo.

htj wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was awesome. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s.

Corrected your typo.

I'm with Frazz on this one. Not to mention the fact that there would have been no British Invasion were it not for the popularity of the music coming out of the US in the UK in the fifties.

Grakmar wrote:Music of the 50s and early 60s was terrible. Then, the British Invasion happened, and music was revolutionized in the mid-60s. This awesomeness lasted until the mid-70s, when rock really fell apart. The late 70s and most of the 80s was filled with terrible music. Then, in the late 80s, music suddenly became really good again. This lasted until the early 2000s, when music collapsed. The terrible music has lasted until the early 10s.

So, I think the most exciting part of this is that it means we're due for a new music revolution!

Music tends to go on 25 year cycles.
It starts with a new genre gaining a bit of traction. The music isn't revolutionary, but it's really good, and introduces people to a new sound (in this example, REM and U2 introducing Alternative music).
Then, an album comes out and is hugely popular (Nevermind in this case). This leads to the general public becoming aware of all the other awesome bands already out there in the same genre (STP, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc). These new bands expand people's horizons, and leads to popularizing other genres that are different, but with similar sounds (Smashing Pumpkins, Rage against The Machine, Weezer, etc).
This trend lasts for 10 years or so. The sound is constantly evolving and new sub-genres appear and disappear. There's some terrible music that gets made, but, for the most part, the music scene is dominated by quality bands doing revolutionary things.

However, at about the 10 year mark, people start to run out of ideas. The original bands that defined the genre have gotten old and are just putting out mediocre versions of the music they already covered. New bands try to imitate the old sound, but they everything innovative they try is disappointing (Coldplay, Death Cab for Cutie, John Mayer, etc). There is occasionally a really excellent band that emerges, but the vast majority of it is utter crap. This lasts for 5 years or so before people start to get sick of the music and abandon it. Eventually, about 20 years since the original album came out, they turn actively hostile towards the genre.

At this point, people turn to the 1 or 2 bands really doing something interesting. Then, a new album comes out that takes what was interesting from those 1 or 2 bands, and defines (or, at least, popularizes) a new sound, and the entire cycle starts again.

So, expect any time now for a brand new genre of music to be born.