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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm trying to see if I can make an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(308);'>MSU</span>/Mech not quite Deathwing/Ravenwing list for Dark Angels and make it work.  Scoring Terminators are good, so I'm going to start with those.<br /> <br /> Belial - 130<br /> Librarian in Terminator Armor - 125<br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cyclone - 235<br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cyclone - 235<br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cylcone - 235<br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Marines (Combat Squadded, Meltagun, Missile Launcher) - 275<br />  - Mounted in Razorback with Twin Lascannon <br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Marines (Combat Squadded, Meltagun, Missile Launcher) - 275<br />  - Mounted in Razorback with Twin Lascannon <br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75<br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75<br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75<br /> Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons) - 130<br /> Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons) - 130<br /> <br /> This is 1995 total.  Thoughts?  The LD9 Psychic Hood is kinda annoying, but that's what Dark Angels are stuck with.  I may change the Librarian to Ezekiel, or just drop him all together for another unit or predator.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like it for a basic <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>'s army none <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span>.  <br /> <br /> I think you should drop Libby for another Pred.  I don't like our Libby's at all.  I think you will get more help from the Pred.  You could upgrade the one squad of terminators to have the banner at least.  It comes in pretty handy from time to time.  <br /> <br /> I also like Las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> for my Backs.  Thats just a personal thing though.<br /> <br /> Good Luck!<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:11:49]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ balsak_da_mighty]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>balsak_da_mighty wrote:</cite>I like it for a basic <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span>'s army none <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span>.  <br /> <br /> I think you should drop Libby for another Pred.  I don't like our Libby's at all.  I think you will get more help from the Pred.  You could upgrade the one squad of terminators to have the banner at least.  It comes in pretty handy from time to time.  <br /> <br /> I also like Las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>plas</span> for my Backs.  Thats just a personal thing though.<br /> <br /> Good Luck!<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Thanks for the pointers!<br /> <br /> I was debating dropping the libby for another pred, because he is pretty worthless in this setup, and I play Chaos most of the time, so I am used to the lack of psychic defense. The other idea for this army was to run as Black Templars with Tank Hunting Cyclones, but I think the Deathwing scoring is better.  I've also been trying to find points for the Apothecary Upgrade as well for the Deathwing dudes.<br /> <br /> And  I don't think Dark Angels have the option for Las/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(166);'>Plas</span> razorbacks.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:10:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh yeah you are right..forgot about that..<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:08:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>balsak_da_mighty wrote:</cite>Oh yeah you are right..forgot about that..<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yea, it's unfortunate, but I guess they forgot how to attach Plasma to a turret.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:59:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well hopefully in a new Dex.  Whenever that may be..<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>  I honestly just use the C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> for a regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> marine army.  As you have mixed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> and Marines the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> Dex is the one.  But I do Like the list.  <br /> <br /> Looking through your list.  Your points are off.  The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> squads are only 265pts. the way you have them.  The libby is 145pts.<br /> <br /> I built this list for you.<br /> <br /> Belial - 130 <br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cyclone, Apoth, Banner - 260 <br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cyclone - 235 <br /> 5 Deathwing <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span>, Cylcone - 235 <br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Marines (Combat Squadded, Meltagun, Missile Launcher) - 265 <br /> - Mounted in Razorback with Twin Lascannon <br /> 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>Tac</span> Marines (Combat Squadded, Meltagun, Missile Launcher) - 265 <br /> - Mounted in Razorback with Twin Lascannon <br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75 <br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75 <br /> Land Speeder Typhoon (Cyclone, Multi-Melta) - 75 <br /> Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons) - 130 <br /> Predator (Autocannon, Lascannon Sponsons) - 130 <br /> Vindicator - 125<br /> <br /> 2k on the nose.  Tell me what you think?  Do yo plan on Deepstriking the terminators? ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 22 Sep 2011 05:13:40]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>balsak_da_mighty wrote:</cite>Well hopefully in a new Dex.  Whenever that may be..<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>  I honestly just use the C:<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> for a regular <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> marine army.  As you have mixed <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(412);'>DW</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(744);'>RW</span> and Marines the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> Dex is the one.  But I do Like the list.  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sticking with the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> because I think the scoring terminators are going to prove rock solid.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:54:37]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh yeah I understand and agree.  I use the Marine dex for just marines.  I don't add terminators or bikes at all, just simple marines.  When I want to play with bikes and Terminators thats when I pull out the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> dex.<br /> <br />   ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:53:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What I don't understand is why you want all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(224);'>TH</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(221);'>SS</span> instead of leaving on the Storm Bolters for some/most in the unit?<br /> <br /> Also, I'm not sure I like the idea of trading a Hood for Vehicle, around my area at least that Hood does a lot of work.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I can see the tactical squads working well objective wise because then you have some guys that you can just sit on an objective instead of a bunch of terminators that want to get into <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.<br /> <br /> I'm not sure about the librarian switch only thing I can think that could ruin you is Null Zone but if you know it is on the table blow him up quick or your gonna start wondering why you keep failing 3+ invul saves. :(<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(380);'>gl</span> with this list, I know I'm going to give it a shot as well. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 24 Sep 2011 03:46:27]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DisgruntldGoat]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The problem is he is spending 145 pts on the hood only.  His powers lack alot and he really isn't that great of a fighter.  Ld9 to boot.  Not a very good investment for 145 pts.  <br /> <br /> But around where I am no one really uses a libby except for one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span>'s player.  So I don't have much experience with dealing with other psychers.  <br /> <br /> If he had better powers then I would say go for it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>balsak_da_mighty wrote:</cite>The problem is he is spending 145 pts on the hood only.  His powers lack alot and he really isn't that great of a fighter.  Ld9 to boot.  Not a very good investment for 145 pts.  <br /> <br /> But around where I am no one really uses a libby except for one <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GK</span>'s player.  So I don't have much experience with dealing with other psychers.  <br /> <br /> If he had better powers then I would say go for it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The ld9 hood is a big problem that's for sure, but having a crack at stopping some psychic shenanigans seems worth it.  On the other hand, I play chaos (who has no psychic defense) with no problems, so it's probably not a big deal.  I've also thought about using Ezekiel.<br /> <br /> Or....I could find a way to fit an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(261);'>LRC</span> in and make a "Belial+bodyguard" deathstar with a Chaplain.  The banner (+1 attack), apothecary (<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span>) and re-rolls from the chappy would make a nasty counter charge unit.]]></description>
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