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				<description><![CDATA[ Inspired by one of my older threads (<a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/299079.page" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/299079.page</a>) I was wondering what your Favorite Rock sub-genre was. And yes I know that's alot of options, <br /> <br /> deal with it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I voted for the last option..... What ever Genre this is:<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ia0HUBWdDkU?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I went with Punk...have no clue what proto-punk is.  I prefer ska-punk ultimately, bands like Leftover Crack and Big D And The Kids Table.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:27:55]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Blacksails wrote:</cite>I went with Punk...have no clue what proto-punk is.  I prefer ska-punk ultimately, bands like Leftover Crack and Big D And The Kids Table.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Proto-Punk is a term used to describe bands that had a sort-of punk sound to them but they themselves predated the punk movement and often had a different attitude towards society than punks. <br /> <br /> Examples below:  <br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_SD-uF8uisA?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TWUBHA2DBDA?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uAZ9R2t5Jd0?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/f3w24PtqWaI?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <br /> And Yes I know Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are mainly known for there Heavy Metal, Hard Rock and Blues Rock. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:37:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Alternative/grunge <br /> <br /> no question... <br /> <br />  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Progressive with modern Punk and Classic a close second.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:</cite>Progressive with modern Punk and Classic a close second.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I personally feel that punk (the music not the subculture I don't consider myself apart of the subculture so I wouldn't know) was at it's best in the 70's and 80's.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I see it as apples and oranges. If I listen to my fair share of classic punk too, but the likes of The Offspring (the newer stuff that nobody else likes), The Distillers and Bad Religion are never a bad call regardless of what my tastes are for the day. While the spirit of the era is really captured, some days it just sounds like a bunch of guys who didn't really know how to play throwing stuff together... which it largely was. Again, some days it still hits the spot.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I knew you were a fan of progressive rock, but I still thought you would have picked pop as your favourite sub-genre (considering how big of a Gaga Fan you seem to be  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ). ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:28:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Blacksails wrote:</cite>I went with Punk...have no clue what proto-punk is.  I prefer ska-punk ultimately, bands like Leftover Crack and Big D And The Kids Table.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You sir have excellent taste  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Oct 2011 06:14:10]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Cheesecat wrote:</cite>I knew you were a fan of progressive rock, but I still thought you would have picked pop as your favourite sub-genre (considering how big of a Gaga Fan you seem to be  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ). </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> last.fm/user/cannerus<br /> <br /> You'd be surprised how actually diverse I am <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> Granted that doesn't capture my ipod plays unfortunately.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:19:47]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What, no option for pirate metal? Arrrr!<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IUckT7ERVP8?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:01:14]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Skarwael wrote:</cite>What, no option for pirate metal? Arrrr!<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/IUckT7ERVP8?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> YES! The first other person I have seen who knows and likes this! WOOT!  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Hard Rock and heavy metal for me here.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:39:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cheesecat, I would steer clear of using terms like 'proto' to describe bands that some consider to be progenitors to successive musical genres, if I were you.  We musicologists frown upon that sort of thing.<br /> <br /> <br /> Frown!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I picked 'Some other.....'<br /> <br /> I prefer not to have my musical tastes pigeon-holed for the future exploitation of targeted advertising.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Neither of the genres I'd vote for is here.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The poll speaks for it self really]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Pop rock, of course!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Uh? <br /> <br />  I think there are too many genres me, as if everyone in the world is a pretentious hipster that reads the NME and gak. <br /> <br />  I mean, almost all of those "genres" are just made up. Stoner rock? Comedy rock?! <br /> <br />  I like "some" rock. <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Albatross wrote:</cite>Cheesecat, I would steer clear of using terms like 'proto' to describe bands that some consider to be progenitors to successive musical genres, if I were you.  We musicologists frown upon that sort of thing.<br /> <br /> <br /> Frown!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah but I didn't make the term up, in fact some music critics even use it (like Allmusic for example). <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't simply like gernres as a whole per se, but I like certain things (sounds/play styles/use of guitar effects) that certain bands/guitarists do musically with guitars.; either as a general approach or in specific songs.<br /> <br /> For example I like Dick Dale/surf music guitar, stuff like the kill bill theme, the james bond theme, etc.<br /> <br /> I like the drone/tone of Kevin Shields (also see Chapter House, Ride, et. al)<br /> <br /> I love pretty much everything Robin Guthrie did with Cocteau Twins<br /> <br /> Anything by Chameleons <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(134);'>UK</span><br /> <br /> I like Robert Smith's melodic style<br /> <br /> I love Davil Gilmour's tone and solos<br /> <br /> I love Johnyy Cash's Guitarist<br /> <br /> I love slide guitar in general<br /> <br /> I Love the rough slopiness of J Masic<br /> <br /> I love the feedback and tone of the Tool huitar sound<br /> <br /> I love listening to old time blues guys on a rickety acoustic (love that lo fi sound and rawness)<br /> <br /> I love Peter Hook's melodic bass runs and hooks<br /> <br /> I love the controlled chaos of Sonic Youth's guitars<br /> <br /> I love the riffage of Jack White, Jimmy Page, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(349);'>DC</span>, etc.<br /> <br /> <br /> I'm all over the map when it comes to guitar sounds, and tecnical skill take a back seat to what sounds ""right/interesting in a given song,<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>imho</span> etc.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Has anybody ever met a person that doesn't have diverse musical tastes?<br /> <br /> It's one of the most common things everybody will say in any discussion.  "Oh, I like all kinds of music."<br /> <br /> Musical genres exist because of a deep seated human need to categorize.  I wonder where the visceral rejection of those genres comes from?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Polonius wrote:</cite>Has anybody ever met a person that doesn't have diverse musical tastes?<br /> <br /> It's one of the most common things everybody will say in any discussion.  "Oh, I like all kinds of music."</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In my experience, "except...rap." or "except...country." will generally be attached to that.<br /> <br /> And I say this as someone that likes all kinds of music...except country.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><br /> <br /> And I say this as someone that likes all kinds of music...except country.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> i don't like country music as a whole, but I love country guitar style, especially older Nashville style guitar tone/technique<br /> <br /> In fact I tend to be a fan of specific guitar sounds/players in various genres more then being a fan of all the various music I listed.  that is different then saying "I like all music'.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I love Alternative Rock.<br /> Such as Muse,<br /> Cold Play,<br /> Breaking Benjamin<br /> and the Faunts]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Polonius wrote:</cite>I wonder where the visceral rejection of those genres comes from?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, I don't get it either you would think they would want to know what genre of music they listen to so they can have less trouble finding similar sounding artists.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Cheesecat wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Polonius wrote:</cite>I wonder where the visceral rejection of those genres comes from?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, I don't get it either you would think they would want to know what genre of music they listen to so they can have less trouble finding similar sounding artists.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> All the 'genres' are subjective. I would put Muse in the 'Pop rock' bracket. Someone else would out Muse in the 'Alternative rock' bracket.<br /> <br /> There is no point - at all - in trying to create definitive genres for music; it'll just be hi-jacked by hipsters.<br /> <br /> Instead just put anything you do like in the 'Good' genre, and anything you don't like in the 'Bad' genre <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Cheesecat wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Albatross wrote:</cite>Cheesecat, I would steer clear of using terms like 'proto' to describe bands that some consider to be progenitors to successive musical genres, if I were you.  We musicologists frown upon that sort of thing.<br /> <br /> <br /> Frown!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah but I didn't make the term up, in fact some music critics even use it (like Allmusic for example). <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Oh, of course!  They most definitely do use it - it's just that from an academic standpoint, 'proto' is an unhelpful term when discussing genre, as it almost implies intentionality.  A teleological perspective on the development of genres leads to slightly skewed view of their place in the historical context, and emphasises the importance of certain genres over others.  I mean, The Stooges weren't sitting around trying to start punk - they weren't actively working towards it, y'know?  It's an ideologically loaded word, is all.  Just a bugbear of mine.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> @J.Black - I wouldn't say that all genres are purely subjective - I think it's more accurate to say that they are 'inter-subjective'.  <br /> <br /> Agreed upon.  Like, hip-hop is hip-hop not because I think it is, but because of consensus.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:38:32]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Albatross wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Cheesecat wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Albatross wrote:</cite>Cheesecat, I would steer clear of using terms like 'proto' to describe bands that some consider to be progenitors to successive musical genres, if I were you.  We musicologists frown upon that sort of thing.<br /> <br /> <br /> Frown!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah but I didn't make the term up, in fact some music critics even use it (like Allmusic for example). <img src="/s/i/a/dec8d79950a36218cfae9200a43fa59f.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protopunk</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Oh, of course!  They most definitely do use it - it's just that from an academic standpoint, 'proto' is an unhelpful term when discussing genre, as it almost implies intentionality.  A teleological perspective on the development of genres leads to slightly skewed view of their place in the historical context, and emphasises the importance of certain genres over others.  I mean, The Stooges weren't sitting around trying to start punk - they weren't actively working towards it, y'know?  It's an ideologically loaded word, is all.  Just a bugbear of mine. <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> @J.Black - I wouldn't say that all genres are purely subjective - I think it's more accurate to say that they are 'inter-subjective'.  <br /> <br /> Agreed upon.  Like, hip-hop is hip-hop not because I think it is, but because of consensus.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, I totally agree bands and songs like The Stooges, Led Zeppelin's Communication Breakdown, Death (the 70's band Proto-Punk Band not 80's/90's Progressive Death Metal band), etc weren't trying to <br /> <br /> create punk it's more just coincidental that they had a sort of punk sound to one or several of there songs. Plus the prefix "Proto-" means first, when in reality a more accurate term would be "Pre-Punk" as <br /> <br /> the prefix "Pre-" is used to describe something that takes before (in time, place, order, degree, or importance). Even Wikipedia states that Proto-Punk wasn't the cause of the actual punk genre. <br />    ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:25:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, but my point is that it's not a helpful term to use when discussing genre in the wider sense (for the reasons I stated), though I can see why people would use the term when looking at the time-line of Punk as a genre.  It's a very journalistic word.]]></description>
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