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Lords
- Slann (375pts)
w/ 3 Disciplines of the Ancients

Heroes
- Scar-Veteran (178pts)
w/ Army Battle Standard Bearer, Shield, Cold One, Burning Blade of Chotec, Glittering Scales
- Scar-Veteran (138pts)
w/ Light Armor, Shield, Cold One, Sword of Swift Slaying
- Scar-Veteran (143pts)
w/ Light Armor, Shield, Cold One, Sword of the Hornet, Luckstone

Core Units
- 23 Saurus Warriors (306pts)
w/ Spears, Full Command
- 23 Saurus Warriors (306pts)
w/ Spears, Full Command
- 22 Saurus Warriors (294pts)
w/ Spears, Full Command
- 10 Skink Skirmishers (70pts)
- 10 Skink Skirmishers (70pts)
- 10 Skink Skirmishers (70pts)

Rare Units
- 2 Salamander Hunting Pack (150pts)
- 2 Salamander Hunting Pack (150pts)




BEFORE anyone begins to critique the rest of the list, and suggest any other changes, I first want to hear the argument about whether I should have the Saurus as in the list above, or if I should return to having the Saurus units two Hand weapon/shield, and one with spears. If that topic is not broached, then be sure that I will ignore your post. Thanks for the help guys.
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In the typical 18 strong saurus unit, I think it is pretty clear that the spear loses it's value a lot sooner than the ward save, especially if you charge. But with your 4 rank size I think the discussion is back on the table. Now you'll have the extra attacks from the spears for a few more wounds, and with more bodies, the ward is less needed to grind out.

Like I said, I don't really have an opinion, but maybe reframing your question with some context will help the discussion along.

Now that this has been said... I'm really curious why you have spent so many points on saurus, and have a slann, but yet you aren't fielding one of those saurus blocks as a temple guard.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3461775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3461775.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear
What lore is the Slaan taking? And what disciplines? If he is running alone, I'd recommand you to give him the 2+ ward against shooting.
Instead of a Saurus BSB, make Slaan the BSB.
Scar Vets dont really need to be on cold ones, I'd suggest you save the points and buy Saurus.
If you drop the spears, you'd have the points to run a unit of 5 Chameleon skinks. I'd then drop a unit of normal skinks for another 5, Chameleons are very useful.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3461933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3461933.page GMT Re:To Spear or not to Spear Actually, not to saurus at all =D

I wouldn't take spears, a spear unit is only better when its bigger than 18 models and not charging.
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also it is important to consider that you are pretty much always going second, so if your unit isnt at least large enough to saok the casualties and keep at least 18 your losing attacks.

personally i dont think spears are worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3463572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3463572.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear HW/Shield would be better, to semi-serve that role. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3463595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3463595.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear
Jackster wrote:
What lore is the Slaan taking? And what disciplines? If he is running alone, I'd recommand you to give him the 2+ ward against shooting.
Instead of a Saurus BSB, make Slaan the BSB.
Scar Vets dont really need to be on cold ones, I'd suggest you save the points and buy Saurus.
If you drop the spears, you'd have the points to run a unit of 5 Chameleon skinks. I'd then drop a unit of normal skinks for another 5, Chameleons are very useful.



The cold ones for Scar-Vet mounts are amazing. It add +2 to Armor without taking up magic item allowance and also makes the entire Saurus unit immune to Fear. The immunity to Fear alone make its worth it. Also the addition of a S4 attack is a plus since then I am not losing a supporting attack (unless in a challenge) as long as the Scar-Vet lives.

The BSB switch is interesting though. I may do that. Not sure yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3464616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3464616.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear
Bastirous666 wrote:
Jackster wrote:
What lore is the Slaan taking? And what disciplines? If he is running alone, I'd recommand you to give him the 2+ ward against shooting.
Instead of a Saurus BSB, make Slaan the BSB.
Scar Vets dont really need to be on cold ones, I'd suggest you save the points and buy Saurus.
If you drop the spears, you'd have the points to run a unit of 5 Chameleon skinks. I'd then drop a unit of normal skinks for another 5, Chameleons are very useful.



The cold ones for Scar-Vet mounts are amazing. It add +2 to Armor without taking up magic item allowance and also makes the entire Saurus unit immune to Fear. The immunity to Fear alone make its worth it. Also the addition of a S4 attack is a plus since then I am not losing a supporting attack (unless in a challenge) as long as the Scar-Vet lives.

The BSB switch is interesting though. I may do that. Not sure yet.

You are cold blooded, LD 8 or 9 with BSB re-roll, fear shouldnt worry you, fear is nowhere as bad this edition. If you make Slaan the BSB give him Standard of Discipline for LD 10 inspiring presence.
Scar Vet loses Look out Sir if he is mounted, as he is a different troop type as the rest of the unit, so a single cannon ball can kill him.
If you want better armor, take Dragonhelm, Enchanted Shield or Gambler's armor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3464661.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3464661.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear
Jackster wrote:
You are cold blooded, LD 8 or 9 with BSB re-roll, fear shouldnt worry you, fear is nowhere as bad this edition. If you make Slaan the BSB give him Standard of Discipline for LD 10 inspiring presence.
Scar Vet loses Look out Sir if he is mounted, as he is a different troop type as the rest of the unit, so a single cannon ball can kill him.
If you want better armor, take Dragonhelm, Enchanted Shield or Gambler's armor.


That still does not give me the beloved 1+ armor save (there have been tons of games where that 1 point less of armor would have ruined me), and on top of that I rarely come up against cannons, so I'm not too worried about that. Anyways thanks for the ideas, but really all I wanted to discuss was the spears.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3465404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3465404.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear
Bastirous666 wrote:
Jackster wrote:
You are cold blooded, LD 8 or 9 with BSB re-roll, fear shouldnt worry you, fear is nowhere as bad this edition. If you make Slaan the BSB give him Standard of Discipline for LD 10 inspiring presence.
Scar Vet loses Look out Sir if he is mounted, as he is a different troop type as the rest of the unit, so a single cannon ball can kill him.
If you want better armor, take Dragonhelm, Enchanted Shield or Gambler's armor.


That still does not give me the beloved 1+ armor save (there have been tons of games where that 1 point less of armor would have ruined me), and on top of that I rarely come up against cannons, so I'm not too worried about that. Anyways thanks for the ideas, but really all I wanted to discuss was the spears.

Well it's your call, scar vets are awesome either way
I already presented my opinion of the spears earlier.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3467311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3467311.page GMT To Spear or not to Spear http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3468394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/404637/3468394.page GMT