forruner_mercy wrote:As the title says, what would be a good IC to put with Vulkan and 5 Hammernators?
I was thinking a Librarian.

AchillesFTW wrote:Epistolary lets them use two powers a turn, save for two PSAs. Not worth it though of course so don't even bother with it.

Honestly, despite how much chaplains suck I would actually get Cassius. For 25pts more you get +2T and FNP on a chaplain, plus you get re-rolls to hit on the first turn of a combat of course. For me, I prefer re-rolls to hit, rather than forced re-rolled saves, since re-rolls to hit affects a larger number.

SOFDC wrote:Either put a null zone/avenger librarian with power armor in there, and bring him out to thin out hordes or keep him inside and cast null zone to give your terminators an edge against any opposing heavy infantry...OR....Bring Cassius. Mastercrafted only allows one miss per model to be rerolled. Chaplains allow ALL misses on the charge to be rerolled.

SOFDC wrote:Either put a null zone/avenger librarian with power armor in there, and bring him out to thin out hordes or keep him inside and cast null zone to give your terminators an edge against any opposing heavy infantry...OR....Bring Cassius. Mastercrafted only allows one miss per model to be rerolled. Chaplains allow ALL misses on the charge to be rerolled.

SOFDC wrote:I forgot to make mention that Cassius also brings a combi-flamer to the fight, so he also brings something to compliment Vulkans gauntlet in thinning down hordes for a charge.

tetrisphreak wrote:I like the terminator librarian using gate of infinity and null zone. turn 1 gate into a threat range, turn two null zone and attack. It's a very scary unit espeically with 7-10 hammernators included.

Hückleberry wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I like the terminator librarian using gate of infinity and null zone. turn 1 gate into a threat range, turn two null zone and attack. It's a very scary unit espeically with 7-10 hammernators included.

This. It is a very nasty combo and it is a really big fire magnet.

SonsofVulkan wrote:If Cassius wasnt a HQ choice, sure he could be a good choice to go along with termies. But unfortunately he is and Vulkan lists cant really spare a 2nd HQ that is not a libby... Nullzone and psychic hood are just too useful in the current meta... all these GKs, deathstars, and DE flicker fields everywhere.

tetrisphreak wrote:I like the terminator librarian using gate of infinity and null zone. turn 1 gate into a threat range, turn two null zone and attack. It's a very scary unit espeically with 7-10 hammernators included.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I like the terminator librarian using gate of infinity and null zone. turn 1 gate into a threat range, turn two null zone and attack. It's a very scary unit espeically with 7-10 hammernators included.

My favorite tactic against this?

Walk away.

Tely-port your nasty CC-unit to within 12" of my units, and my units will simply shift farther away so you have to spend some time chasing me while I empty some light-gunfire into your unit, or otherwise ignore them(what's that? 1/3 of your army is being kited around? sucks to be you.)

Kommissar Kel wrote:

tetrisphreak wrote:I like the terminator librarian using gate of infinity and null zone. turn 1 gate into a threat range, turn two null zone and attack. It's a very scary unit espeically with 7-10 hammernators included.

My favorite tactic against this?

Walk away.

Tely-port your nasty CC-unit to within 12" of my units, and my units will simply shift farther away so you have to spend some time chasing me while I empty some light-gunfire into your unit, or otherwise ignore them(what's that? 1/3 of your army is being kited around? sucks to be you.)

tetrisphreak wrote:I used to also run them in the shooting phase...and deep strike between 7-9" away from a unit (risky but necessary) before scatter.

Also if the enemy is running away from this death star then my typhoon missile launchers and lascannon razorbacks are just setting up fields of fire and plinking at transports.

Then of course there is always the option of taking the HQ that gives all your space marines Fleet instead of vulkan. Along with the libby, gate close, then fleet into combat on turn 2. It's kinda hard to avoid unless you have fast skimmers to get away from. But as you noted, every tactic has a counter.

Deadshot wrote:And if you are willing to give up Vulkan's power, then you can take's Shrike's, which gives them fleet.

Deadshot wrote:It is pretty good with a Libby, as long as he has a bike or is a Termy, because otherwise it wouyld be useless( it is Heavy). In this situiation I would recommend Terminator Armour for the Stoprm Shield he can get, but a bike works too for T5.

If you do take it, keep the lbby the maximum 2" away from the squad, to minimise damage caused by any misfires.

Deadshot wrote:I normally run a Terminator Libby with Gate and Vortex and keep him on his own. The Gate normally prevents you from using it, because it is Heavy, but TDA makes him relentless, so he has a str 10, AP 1, Blast with basically a range of 36", with only a 1/6 chance of killing himself. The TDA helps with this, giving him a 1/3 chance of saving himself, a 5++.

Deadshot wrote:No, you can, I was jsut giving a little extra on how to use Vortex. Gate doesn't work so well with a squad, especially a really powerful one such as Hammernators.

scuddman wrote:<shakes head> I don't know about librarian. If you mean just an extra HQ, then I'd agree. If you mean another character to attach to the terminators and vulcan, I'd suggest the chaplain. While the chaplain himself isn't stellar, he buffs the terminators and vulcan. He also provides fearless...so no more getting irritated by pinning or tank shock right before you charge into combat.