Tjolle79 wrote:Im all for going for Vanguard, but you need to decide what their role is. Is it tieing up dangerous units for a turn? Then the cost in your current setting is way off.

I intend to run a 5man unit, packing 1 power weapon and 1 power fist. Thats 190 points, can deal with any foe (admittedly not well against some things, but can still do something). This is gonna be my assasinate-the-most-expensive-backfield-thing i possibly can and if i fail i can tie up something.

There's also something you need to think about - Overkill. You intend to tie something up in your heroic intervention, not kill everything in sight with all models packing power weapons, fists and what you. Your goal is to kill, win the combat but -not- kill everything leaving you in the open. You want to clear out the rest of that unit in your opponents assault phase, so that you can consolidate, and then re-launch a new assault in your own phase

Tjolle79 wrote:Im all for going for Vanguard, but you need to decide what their role is. Is it tieing up dangerous units for a turn? Then the cost in your current setting is way off.

I intend to run a 5man unit, packing 1 power weapon and 1 power fist. Thats 190 points, can deal with any foe (admittedly not well against some things, but can still do something). This is gonna be my assasinate-the-most-expensive-backfield-thing i possibly can and if i fail i can tie up something.

There's also something you need to think about - Overkill. You intend to tie something up in your heroic intervention, not kill everything in sight with all models packing power weapons, fists and what have you. Your goal is to kill, win the combat but -not- kill everything which would leave you in the open. You want to clear out the rest of that unit in your opponents assault phase, so that you can consolidate, and then re-launch a new assault in your own phase

Tjolle79 wrote:Its solid thinking, but its still 515 points with that setting. That 20 Assault marines and 45 points to spare. Its also 2 units of HG with 4 melta guns and 4 flamers each. Its also Dante+Sanguinor and still points to spare.

Its Dante + HG with 4 Melta/Flamers and points to spare. Its still 2 Land Raiders. See where im going with this? 51.5 point a marine is steep, since they have nothing but 3+ saves after all, and a turn of rapid fire and other dedicated shooting will still reap a big harvest on your unit and you'll start losing models.

Tjolle79 wrote:For 535 points you get 10 assault terminators with TH/SS with attached Priest in TDA that can DS in as a shield. It cannot assault on the turn it arrived, but it takes ALOT of shooting to down 10 2+/3++ models with FNP, and if you're within 12 inches after DS you can assault something the next turn You can also Combat Squad them to assault 2 targets the next turn. It doesnt fit in with DoA theme though, but neither does SR with DC

Eyclonus wrote:Just a random grammar note here: Your thread title implies its the only list worth consideration from the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codices.

Eyclonus wrote:Just a random grammar note here: Your thread title implies its the only list worth consideration from the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codices.