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I have posted a thread on infantry-only IG armies. I nearly liked the idea of one of those.

Now my question is, what would be the most effective, effecient and deadly long-ranged shooty-guard army. You'd need weapons to tackle all situations from hordes to AV14 (Take-all-comers list) and it should ideally be long-ranged, as the prominent theme.

Gratz ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484295.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
CCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Astro, Chimera
CCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, OotF, Chimera

Vendetta
Vendetta

PCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

PCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

Manticore
Manticore

That should be about 2k, and at that points level it puts out a pretty disgusting amount of firepower. It only get worse as the points go up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484646.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty HWS's. But then ofc you run the risk of needing a regimental banner/lord commissar to support the weakling foot soliders. Hmm

What about dual leman russ squadrens? One pie generally won't annhilate a squad and the same goes for vehicle; my point being two shots at one target isn't overkill? Lastly, fan of the dakka, dual or triple hydra squadrens? Vendettas are a must, I agree.

Do you need meltas at all - can you outsource the roles meltas fill to more long ranged units? Could a pair of devildogs suffice? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484871.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484899.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3484899.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
odorofdeath wrote:I've had good success with this sort of thing:

CCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Astro, Chimera
CCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, OotF, Chimera

Vendetta
Vendetta

PCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

PCS - 3 Melta, Flamer, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

Manticore
Manticore

That should be about 2k, and at that points level it puts out a pretty disgusting amount of firepower. It only get worse as the points go up.

that's 6 BS4 meltas and 6 BS 3 meltas, plus up to three twin linked BS3 lascannons.
They're the ONLY things you have that will penetrate power armour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3485972.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3485972.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486000.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty CCS with MOO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486014.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
Joey wrote:9 leman russes, a couple of meltavets with chimera and a CCS with MOO.
Is not competitive or take-all-comers. Not enough points in troops, at anything under a 2k army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486021.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty NINE. LEMAN. RUSSES.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486026.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty
9 Hydra Flak Tankl

Rest of point in Melta Vets in Chimera with 2x heavy flamer]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486050.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
CCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, OotF, Chimera

PCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

PCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

PCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

PCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

PCS - Flamer, Meltagun x3, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

2500 points. 21 Chimeras. 186 dudemens. Have fun!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486060.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty I'd get rid of a platoon for a few hydras, but for pure infantry win you can't beat that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486075.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty
Plus I don't think the troop-choices are the most efficient way to field long-ranged firepower en-mass. It certainly scales well - but what would be an effective amount of troops (i.e enough not to loose) that have good range?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486145.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty edit: in fact I just bashed this out:
CCS-50
veteran squad with lascannon (90)*5
veteran squad with autocannon(80)*5
Leman Russ with lascannon-165*3
total-1495.
You could swap a few autocannons for lascannons too if you want (take the points away from LR lascannon), which I would personally do.
That's 105 troops, 5 BS4 lascannons, 5 BS4 autocannons, 3BS3 lascannons and three leman russes.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486156.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
Joey wrote:go for an all veteran army for half a dozen AP4 heavy weapons teams if you want long range infantry.
That's the answering exactly the apposite of the post I just posted. Minimal troops, not an entire army of it. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486163.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486174.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486488.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
Even though gunline have a longer range, they also have to be deployed early to take advantage of their extra range.
They also takes up tons more space. and leaves almost no room for maneuver till you are out of the deployment zone mess.

Which makes them incredibly susceptible to any fast moving transports.

For example, when i play against IG, i plop a forest right infront of their deployment zone. And i would use that for LOS block and ran right into the heart of the gunline deployment.
Before you know it, the CC blocks everything else, pretty soon my opponent cant shoot at anything and can only attempt to pull back to shoot me when i killed units in CC. Assault type units in Chimeras have less problem. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486511.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty IG.......cant I just keep using my Orks? Im at least good with them ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486519.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty IG xD )]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486525.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3486533.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty LR. You need some av14 to hide behind. Manticores are nice too if you don't like basilisk/griffon combo. Sentinels can also be worked in for rear area security and can have some range. If you use the armored company rules and make this a mec force, you can give the arty the slick loader(think that's the name) skill and serve pie like a mad man.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3487047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3487047.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty
CCS w/ 2x Melta, Astropath, Chimera 155
CCS w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 125

5x Stormtroopers w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 160
5x Stormtroopers w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 160

Infantry Platoon 410
PCS w/ 3x Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
SWS w/ 3x Melta

Infantry Platoon 410
PCS w/ 3x Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
SWS w/ 3x Melta

Veterans w/ 3x Melta, Shotguns, Chimera 155
Veterans w/ 3x Melta, Shotguns, Chimera 155

Armoured Sentinel w/ Autocannon 60
Armoured Sentinel w/ Autocannon 60

Hydra Flak Cannon w/ Heavy Bolter 75
Hydra Flak Cannon w/ Heavy Bolter 75

Total: 2000

12 Chimeras, 16 AV14 Hulls, lots of shooting (albeit not the best in game) coming out of everything, and losing units doesn't have the significant impact that you run from having Vendettas/Manticores having to be your entire workforce.

Description here:
http://fearspect.blogspot.com/2011/09/onslaught-2011-army-list.html]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3487408.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3487408.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty
Fearspect wrote:This is what I run:

CCS w/ 2x Melta, Astropath, Chimera 155
CCS w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 125

5x Stormtroopers w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 160
5x Stormtroopers w/ 2x Melta, Chimera 160

Infantry Platoon 410
PCS w/ 3x Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
SWS w/ 3x Melta

Infantry Platoon 410
PCS w/ 3x Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
Infantry Squad w/ Melta, Chimera
SWS w/ 3x Melta

Veterans w/ 3x Melta, Shotguns, Chimera 155
Veterans w/ 3x Melta, Shotguns, Chimera 155

Armoured Sentinel w/ Autocannon 60
Armoured Sentinel w/ Autocannon 60

Hydra Flak Cannon w/ Heavy Bolter 75
Hydra Flak Cannon w/ Heavy Bolter 75

Total: 2000

12 Chimeras, 16 AV14 Hulls, lots of shooting (albeit not the best in game) coming out of everything, and losing units doesn't have the significant impact that you run from having Vendettas/Manticores having to be your entire workforce.

Description here:
http://fearspect.blogspot.com/2011/09/onslaught-2011-army-list.html


I think you mean 16 av12 hulls...6 wasted special weapons slots....A ton of wasted points...And not really long range at all...


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Anyway,, on topic.. Most effective long range shooting? The guard codex gives you so many options in every slot . There are a ton of lists. Just take your pick from some of the long range options...

Manticores, Hydras, Griffons, vanilla, LRBTs, Vendettas, Scout Walkers with ac/las, vets with las. I'd even include stormies as you can infiltrate/outflank/deepstrike as the situation dictates. Sub melta ccs for a ccs with las. Still, I think that mobility and assault weapons are better than static with heavy weapons. Alas, the threat is not about this side. Whatever you choose just be sure your slot choices and weapon loadouts complement eachother.





]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490554.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490554.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty
What is the best long-ranged shooty unit in the troop choices? I agree, the rest of the codex offers some no brainers but I find myself stumbling on the troops. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490647.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty Merged into 1 squad with a commisar and a comm-link gives leadership 9 re-rolls for orders, for 250+30+5 points.
That's 150 shots :O obviously not all will be in range but assuming they are that's
75 hits.
25 wounds (on MEQ)
against a squad of ten that'd give 5 guys 3 armour saves, 5 guys two armour saves. That works out with my dodgy maths at a wound each for five of them, and a 66% chance of a wound on 5 of them. Basically 8 casualties.
Not bad for a 285 point unit! And of course it's incredibly difficult to wipe out with 51 men, Ld 9 and stubborn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490692.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty Imo IG troops tend to suffer pretty badly when it comes to long range support besides chimeras

Lets look at all the weapons troops can have that go beyond 24"

Sniper Rifle: The only long range special weapon for IG. Its a sniper rifle so it doesnt do anything really special. If Ratlings with BS4 and stealth dont really do much, it'll do even less with normal guardsmen

Mortar: Pretty weak weapon, never use this unless you absolutely have nothing better to do with a squad. This is though the cheapest way to field HWS if you just want more scoring units. For 300 points you can drop down 15 small blasts, pretty hilarious but even then you cant hurt armor and most enemies will shrug off the poor AP6.

Heavy Bolter: Same cost as autocannon and while boasts an extra shot, it has less range and strength. Dont really need to take this seeing that every single vehicle in the IG range can take HB or Multilasers unless you really like the looks of machine guns.

Autocannon: The all rounder and probably the most popular. It has two S7 shots that can wound marines well and make most transports quiver in fear. Decent choice, a common one for HWS but then the HWS will cost as much as a Hydra without the armor or range.

Missile Launcher: Another all rounder but seen less frequently because it costs quite a bit. While multi purpose, it can rack up the costs of a squad while still at a measly BS3

Lascannon: The big one, the long range tank killer. Unfortunately this is the most expensive option and with a BS3 on most models, its not going to be terrible reliable compared to the cheap as chips vendetta.

The main issue with these weapons is that

1. On normal squads and vet squads, they severely hamper their movement. This also leads to-
2. Their shots, if aimed at tanks or far away units, causes the lasguns and short range specials are pretty much wasted
3. HWS are not terribly reliable when it comes to hitting and leadership without lord commissars.

Only really decent option for long range is either plasma vets who are dead set on camping an objective or a big arse blob platoon armed to the teeth with a command and commissar. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490704.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty IT CHEAP and USE YOUR SPECIAL WEAPON SLOTS. Some of my favorite vet loadouts, all in chimeras, ofcourse:

-3gl, ml (100 pts)
-3gl, ml, pp (110 pts)
-3gl, las (105 pts)
-3gl, las, pp (115 pts)

Others which technically are not "long range"but still fit in well with long range choices in other FOC slots:

-3 melta (100 pts)
-3plas (115 pts)
-3gl, demos (115 pts)

The netlist fanboys are going to jump on me for some of these.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490755.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty HWS, with autocannons in the infantry squads - sounds fun.

But it is a lot of points. Although I haven't really appreciated the lasgun, even at 24" it isn't bad (en-mass) but with the footprint of 50 guardmen, you are unlikely to be able to bring their full weight to bare on one unit.

I think the heavy weapon squads, if supported by a lord comissar (or a CCS/PCS to a lesser extent), could prove to be viable. A 60pt autocannon infantry squad isn't that impressive.

One min-sized platoon and one vet squad isn't enough. Two platoons, one in chimeras & the other in a phalanx of vendettas could do it; depending on the mission/enemy, field them embarked or entrenched? Bah, can't decide.

Edit----------------------------

Okay so If I were to buy two min sized platoons, all with autocannons. I could spend a further 220-330 and buy 4-6 chimeras. Could I spend that 220-330 points on better shooty elsewhere? Used frugally, are two small infantry platoons too little? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490777.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty HWS. BS3 kills off any reliability whatsoever.
If you need heavy weapons, go with veteran squads.
autocannon is only 10 points so vet with autocannon is 80 points. Can easily field a few of them with enough points for a blob of infantry with comissar
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3490787.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty Lol, Barksdale, you claim to see wasted points in my list (choosing to ignore the link that explains things) then tout triple grenade launcher vets?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3491635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3491635.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty HWS can be pretty brutal when played with support from a CCS (even better when that CCS is Creed and Kell, but that gets expensive). However if I was running a pure 2k shooty IG list it would probably look something like:

CCS (Creed and Kell)
1x lascannon
Chimera

CCS
2x lascannons
Chimera

PCS
2x autocannons
Chimera

30 man blob
3x lascannons
commissar

PCS
2x autocannons
Chimera

30 man blob
3x lascannons
commissar

3x HWS
Autocannons

Vendetta
Vendetta

Manticore
Manticore

This actually leaves you with 50pts spare if I have done my maths correctly.

So although there are only 8 AV12 chassis on the table, you get 15 lascannons (with the 50pts spare you could take that up to 18) and 6 of them are Twin-linked...while orders make your HWS more reliable. Also get 13 Autocannons. The lack of accuracy doesn't make much difference when you have all these on so many different units. Do it the IG way...Attrition. Blobs can screen vehicles and with Kell holding the Standard if you deploy properly you can keep Morale/Pinning re-rolls on everything.

Now I don't play IG and probably never will, but I have faced them plenty and it's the number of shots not the quality that scares me. To this end you could even lose Creed and Kell and just add more HWS or something. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3491857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3491857.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
Barksdale wrote:The netlist fanboys are going to jump on me for some of these.

Fearspect wrote:Lol, Barksdale, you claim to see wasted points in my list (choosing to ignore the link that explains things) then tout triple grenade launcher vets?


In regards to my post, the threat comes not from essentially from the 3gl but from the ml. It requires different tactics when played. As stated there, this choice of loadout depends on what the rest of list looks like. You'll also notice that I 'tout' triple melta and triple plasma, again depending on what the rest of the list looks like.

This is a thread about long range guard options in the guard codex. The long range shooting in your list consists of two 60 point autocannons and two hydra autocannons. Your list is not as awful as some I have seen but it is definately a random off topic post because of this. All it does is shamelessly promoting your blog. There are ways to improve but you can make your own thread if you want to hear how.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492596.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty OP: The best long range support unit you'll find in Troops is the Heavy Weapon Team, but I hesitate to recommend those to anyone.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492609.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492609.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
If you build an army around heavy weapon squads, they work better. So that means spamming 5-10 missile squads (15-30 missile launchers) with multiple CCS or creed to give them all orders and increase their accuracy, maybe a lord commissar bubble to improve their leadership and discourage them running off the table.

It would be an all-or-nothing kind of army, though, because of the lack of mobility and the vulnerability to assaults.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492774.page GMT IG: Long range supreme shooty
Meanwhile, my list is completely mobile. Have fun taking objectives with Heavy Weapons Team spam. In addition, there are other lists than just transport lists that can compete, and three str6 shots do just as well as three str7 or 8 shots against marines on foot (who always have their cover anyway).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3492804.page GMT Re:IG: Long range supreme shooty 1.Blobbed squads with 5 AC/lascannon. gives you a chance for TL, but costs alot to work best. and a huge footprint.
2. HWS. Fragile and pricey. needs more points spent on other choices to work better. but, has a smaller footprint!

from an overall codex point of view, i'd have to say 2 hydras and 1-2 Manticore
is the perfect all comers set up.

all of this is imho. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3496136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406011/3496136.page GMT