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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/25/border-agent-jaile-arrest-teen-drug-smuggler/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/25/border-agent-jaile-arrest-teen-drug-smuggler/</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>U.S. border agent jailed for improper arrest of suspected drug smuggler<br /> A U.S. Border Patrol agent has been sentenced to two years in prison for improperly lifting the arms of a 15-year-old drug smuggling suspect while handcuffed — in what the Justice Department called a deprivation of the teenager’s constitutional right to be free from the use of unreasonable force.<br /> <br /> Agent Jesus E. Diaz Jr. was named in a November 2009 federal grand jury indictment with deprivation of rights under color of law during an October 2008 arrest near the Rio Grande in Eagle Pass, Texas, in response to a report that illegal immigrants had crossed the river with bundles of drugs.<br /> <br /> In a prosecution sought by the Mexican government and obtained after the suspected smuggler was given immunity to testify against the agent, Diaz was sentenced last week by U.S. District Judge Alia Moses Ludlum in San Antonio. The Mexican consulate in Eagle Pass had filed a formal written complaint just hours after the arrest, alleging that the teenager had been beaten.<br /> <br /> Defense attorneys argued that there were no injuries or bruises on the suspected smuggler’s lower arms where the handcuffs had been placed nor any bruising resulting from an alleged knee on his back. Photos showed the only marks on his body came from the straps of the pack he carried containing the suspected drugs, they said.<br /> <br /> Border Patrol agents found more than 150 pounds of marijuana at the arrest site.<br /> <br /> **FILE** An unidentified man in Mexico walks near a footbridge across the Rio Grande connecting the United States and Mexico near Acala, Texas, on Aug. 4, 2010. The bridge is one of two structures at opposite ends of a towering $2.4 billion west Texas stretch of steel border fence designed to block illegal entry. Though the International Boundary and Water Commission owns the bridges, which it calls grade control structures, both are unguarded paths into the United States from Mexico. (Associated Press)The defense claimed that the smuggling suspect was handcuffed because he was uncooperative and resisted arrest, and that the agent had lifted his arms to force him to the ground — a near-universal police technique — while the other agents looked for the drugs.<br /> <br /> The allegations against Diaz, 31, a seven-year veteran of the Border Patrol, initially were investigated by Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Office of Professional Responsibility, which cleared the agent of any wrongdoing.<br /> <br /> But the Internal Affairs Division at U.S. Customs and Border Protection ruled differently nearly a year later and, ultimately, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas brought charges.<br /> <br /> The Law Enforcement Officers Advocates Council said the government’s case was “based on false testimony that is contradicted by the facts.”<br /> <br /> In a statement, the council said that because the arrest took place at about 2 a.m., darkness would have made it impossible for the government’s witnesses to have seen whether any mistreatment took place. It said Marcos Ramos, the Border Patrol agent who stood next to Diaz, testified that he did not see any mistreatment of the smuggling suspect.<br /> <br /> The council said other witnesses made contradictory claims and some later admitted to having perjured themselves. Such admissions, the council said, were ignored by the court and the government. It also said that probationary agents who claimed to have witnessed the assault raised no objections during the incident and failed to notify an on-duty supervisor until hours later.<br /> <br /> “Instead, they went off-duty to a local ‘Whataburger’ restaurant, got their stories straight and reported it hours later to an off-duty supervisor at his home,” the council said. “Then the ‘witnesses’ went back to the station and reported their allegations.”<br /> <br /> The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.”<br /> <br /> The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Western District of Texas, which brought the charges, is the same office that in February 2006 — under U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton — prosecuted Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean after they shot a drug-smuggling suspect, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila, in the buttocks as he tried to flee back into Mexico after abandoning a van filled with 800 pounds of marijuana. Aldrete-Davila also was given immunity in the case and testified against the agents.<br /> <br /> Agents Ramos and Compean were convicted and sentenced to 11 and 12 years in prison, respectively<br /> </div></blockquote>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Poor drug smugglers.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I weep for them. Here, let me help you with that bag...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey, maybe you shouldn't try to smuggle illegal drugs into our country. That sounds like a good idea.<br /> <br /> There is something seriously wrong with people... <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe you shouldn't try to smuggle illegal drugs into our country. That sounds like a good idea.<br /> <br /> There is something seriously wrong with people... <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey, maybe we should say that things which are obviously good ideas, sound like good ideas.<br /> <br /> That sounds like a good idea.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't care about them either, but if it had been an innocent person I'd be rather ticked-- and we have this whole guilty until proven innocent thing so...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You should stop saying "could care less" and start saying "couldn't care less."<br /> <br /> "Could care less" means you care (either a little, some, marginal, or a lot).  "Couldn't care less" leave no room for caring at all.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite>I don't care about them either, but if it had been an innocent person I'd be rather ticked-- and we have this whole guilty until proven innocent thing so...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I particularly like how they gave the drug smugglers immunity. Thats so choice. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why do you hate the law so much, yet live in a country that is founded on the idea of the rule of law?  If you are willing to just toss it out on mere whims such as this, it may as well not even exist.  There are many places in the world you could go to where they don't have these laws getting in the way of roughing people up you don't like.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why do you hate the law so much, yet live in a country that is founded on the idea of the rule of law?  If you are willing to just toss it out on mere whims such as this, it may as well not even exist.  There are many places in the world you could go to where they don't have these laws getting in the way of roughing people up you don't like.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Typically at best in a circumstance like this, the perp would walk. Having the cop actually go to jail is unheard of.  In addition to apparently being in the pocket of the cartels (same guy prosecuted two agent who got into a shoot out with a drug smuggler) he appears to be super lawyer. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow.<br /> <br /> <br /> Just....wow....]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(457);'>JP</span>. your back, you missed the 'new zombie <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span>' but oh well...<br /> <br /> Anyways.<br /> <br /> <br /> I...just...gah. if a dugrunner comes illegally over the border with the intent to cause a breach of the peace, I say that you should be able to rough them up a bit if they don't protest.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Why do you hate the law so much, yet live in a country that is founded on the idea of the rule of law?  If you are willing to just toss it out on mere whims such as this, it may as well not even exist.  There are many places in the world you could go to where they don't have these laws getting in the way of roughing people up you don't like.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> +1<br /> <br /> I would also add where's the outcry about the demand for this man's product? Honestly, he wouldn't be doing this if there was no demand. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ineptus astartes wrote:</cite>Oh, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(457);'>JP</span>. your back, you missed the 'new zombie <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span>' but oh well...<br /> <br /> Anyways.<br /> <br /> <br /> I...just...gah. if a dugrunner comes illegally over the border with the intent to cause a breach of the peace, I say that you should be able to rough them up a bit if they don't protest.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah... only here temp though. Work/RL issues are sucking me dry <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(258);'>atm</span>. <br /> <br /> What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No kidding.<br /> <br /> what I really detest is that these guys are crossing illegally while honest people wait years for a visa. my grandparents had to wait for FIVE YEARS to get their greencard! <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, but this kid was breaking not one, not two, but THREE laws. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Right, that's just what local republicans WISH was the law.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>ineptus astartes wrote:</cite>Yes, but this kid was breaking not one, not two, but THREE laws. </div></blockquote>... so?<br /> <br /> It is completely and utterly irrelevant how many laws you break.  Your rights remain the same.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Officer does have more rights... just for the simple facts that he is a LEGAL citizen of the United States and isn't breaking the law on two counts (drug smuggleing and illegal border crossing/immigration).<br /> <br /> And according to the article, the Agent didn't "beat up" the "prisioner":<br /> <br /> "The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.” <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Smugglers<br /> 1.stop smuggling drugs<br /> 2.don't cross illegally into another country while committing a felony in that country.<br /> 3.dont get caught<br /> <br /> CBP (pre-this kind of garbage)<br /> 1. Stop the flow of illegal immigrants and drugs<br /> 2. Utilize legitimate detention practices.<br /> 3. Discourage future violations<br /> <br /> CBP (post-going to jail to lifting up on a felons arms)<br /> 1. wave to the illegals and drugs they carry on the way by<br /> 2. Offer them a water bottle<br /> 3. Ask if they need directions<br /> 4. Invite them over for tea<br /> <br /> If I was a CBP agent I'd view this guys imprisonment as a clear sign not to detain smugglers, as in do my job. I wonder when or if it's already happened that a Coastie has gone to jail for sinking a cigarette boat.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <br />  I am just miffed about this guy being charged for doing his duty. <br /> <br /> thats like trying to get troops to fight and not hurt anybody. the Border Patrol has the right to use minor force if the perp is Resisting Arrest.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>ineptus astartes wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, but this kid was breaking not one, not two, but THREE laws. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Which has no bearing on the cops prosecution.  Again, it goes back to the law not having a clause for doing something illegal becuase the person it was being done against was doing something illegal.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Typically at best in a circumstance like this, the perp would walk. Having the cop actually go to jail is unheard of.  In addition to apparently being in the pocket of the cartels (same guy prosecuted two agent who got into a shoot out with a drug smuggler) he appears to be super lawyer. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Ramos and Compean?<br /> <br /> <a href="http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/</a><br /> <br /> Best,<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yes indeedy!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dangerous thinking.<br /> <br /> The danger being:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>First they came for the communists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the trade unionists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the Jews,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.<br /> <br /> Then they came for me<br /> and there was no one left to speak out for me.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There is something to be said for maintaining the moral high ground.  <br /> <br /> It is what seperates "us" from "them"<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ CT GAMER]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(436);'>CT</span> GAMER wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>mega_bassist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite>Hey, maybe the guys meant to uphold the law shouldn't be breaking it.  That sounds like a good idea.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I could care less if someone that illegally crossed the border with the intent to sell/distribute illegal drugs and is roughed up in the process. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dangerous thinking.<br /> <br /> The danger being:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>First they came for the communists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the trade unionists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the Jews,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.<br /> <br /> Then they came for me<br /> and there was no one left to speak out for me.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There is something to be said for maintaining the moral high ground.  <br /> <br /> It is what seperates "us" from "them"<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The trouble is, in this enviroment, how do you know when you are maintaining the moral high ground, or treading through political agenda muck.<br /> <br /> Best,<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Surely the constitution and the law offer a moral framework.<br /> <br /> The USA isn't a banana republic.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite>Surely the constitution and the law offer a moral framework.<br /> <br /> The USA isn't a banana republic.</div></blockquote>I concur with this.<br /> <br /> While the jailing may have been excessive (I would want to know more about it before saying that), police brutality is not to be accepted even if it's emotionally satisfying to see...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sometimes you need to bend the rule with some sorts of crime, just don't go too far and don't get caught.<br /> Drug dealers know their rights and can afford fancy lawyers.  What sort of rights do they offer to those who 'rat', 'dont pay on time', or live in the block they want to turn into a crackhouse.<br /> <br /> Rule of law is all very well and should be enforced, but as a right and principle not as a dogma.  Roughing up a drug dealer makes sense if it frightens them away. You have to understand where to put the line and how to cross it.  Pure rule of law does not work, neither does a state where the general populace are in fear of the police and security apparatus but their is a blur between the two which often is where the most effective law enforcement works.<br /> <br /> Liberals might whine at that comment but police do it all the time, especially with regards to policing ethnic areas, and that line goes both ways.  I am not talking about 'racist cops' I am talking about communities where the police have to negotiate through and end up completely overlooking certain types of offense common to that subculture.  If soft drugs are illegal in a nation and you do a sweep of a white neighbourhood cracking down on drug crime thats the police doing their job.  Meanwhile if you try and take the cannabis away from a Rastafarian neighbourhood you are looking at serious discontent and possible rioting.  So you tell them off the record, you can do your own thing in this area and that area and nowhere else.  There you have it police near formally turning a blind eye to crime by agreement. Is that corruption? No, its good policing.<br /> There is usually a flipside, a ringfenced yardie cannabis supplier you tries to expand his boundaries might get arrested and rudely treated, this way he learns.<br /> <br /> Good policing is more about negotiation than the book of regs. The regs are there for ordinary people, habitual criminals are handled differently in well policed areas. Some rights are quietly infringed while at the same time some behaviour that is normally illegal is overlooked. This sort of arrangement is seperate from the courts and the lawyers, and doesn't condone genuine cases of (excessive) police brutality.<br /> <br /> The day the politicians and lawyers police night shifts in crack communities is the day they can say that the law should be upheld to the absolute letter. Meanwhile if someone crosses the border illegally treat them with respect and due process, if someone crosses with a stash of strange white powder arrest him, place the cuffs on to tight and tread on his nuts by 'accident', <i>then</i> treat them with respect and due process.  Maybe just maybe they will get a different job.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(436);'>CT</span> GAMER wrote:</cite><br /> <br /> The danger being:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>First they came for the communists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the trade unionists,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.<br /> <br /> Then they came for the Jews,<br /> and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.<br /> <br /> Then they came for me<br /> and there was no one left to speak out for me.</div></blockquote><br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Poor analogy<br /> Communists, Trade Unionists and Jews also tend to speak out only for their own.  Welcome to the human race.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not sure that I agree with the assertion that Jews only tend to speak up for their own...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Indeed, much of the legal staff of the ACLU are ethnic Jewish, which kind of kills thats statement on its face (and I can't stand the ACLU)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like the ACLU, but at the same time, I kinda wonder at some of their decisions...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've heard of trade unionists speaking up for the downtrodden bosses. Not often, mind you.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Indeed, much of the legal staff of the ACLU are ethnic Jewish, which kind of kills thats statement on its face (and I can't stand the ACLU)</div></blockquote><br /> Wait. There are lawyers...who are Jewish? !לא יכול להיות]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>AustonT wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Indeed, much of the legal staff of the ACLU are ethnic Jewish, which kind of kills thats statement on its face (and I can't stand the ACLU)</div></blockquote><br /> Wait. There are lawyers...who are Jewish? !לא יכול להיות</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I know its shocking, just shocking. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Scandalous.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Meanwhile, even assuming the agent did lift the alleged mule's arms a little too roughly, wanna make any guesses as to how roughly that agent is gonna get treated in a Fed pen?  <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He won't be general pop. I'd imagine he'll be in almost isolation.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>CptJake wrote:</cite>Meanwhile, even assuming the agent did lift the alleged mule's arms a little too roughly, wanna make any guesses as to how roughly that agent is gonna get treated in a Fed pen?  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If you don't want the time, don't do the crime.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>CptJake wrote:</cite>Meanwhile, even assuming the agent did lift the alleged mule's arms a little too roughly, wanna make any guesses as to how roughly that agent is gonna get treated in a Fed pen?  <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If you don't want the time, don't do the crime.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> \<br /> The original investigation cleared him...  A very politicized DOJ pushed it further.   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And then he was convicted.<br /> <br /> Presumably the heavily politicised DoJ used its left-wing connections at universities to fabricate highly plausible evidence.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>CptJake wrote:</cite><br /> The original investigation cleared him...  A very politicized DOJ pushed it further.   </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The implication being that the original investigation was not politicized.<br /> <br /> A foolish implication.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ At any rate, he'll likely be kept in isolation as mentioned earlier, for his own safety and to maintain order in the prison.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If he had been beating on the kid while he was restrained, the guy would deserve this. What apparently happened shouldn't warrant the punishment handed down. From the article the whole case against him sounds thoroughly skeevy to me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Bromsy wrote:</cite>If he had been beating on the kid while he was restrained, the guy would deserve this. What apparently happened shouldn't warrant the punishment handed down. From the article the whole case against him sounds thoroughly skeevy to me.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I concur.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite>Right, that's just what local republicans WISH was the law.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>ineptus astartes wrote:</cite>Yes, but this kid was breaking not one, not two, but THREE laws. </div></blockquote>... so?<br /> <br /> It is completely and utterly irrelevant how many laws you break.  Your rights remain the same.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Because after you have been convicted of a felony you can still vote and purchase firearms, wait you can't? <br /> <br /> But we have people saying that the cop should not have broken the law, yet we have the article saying that all of the evidence of abuse or mistreatment are non-existent. First the article says that there were no bruises or marks save for the marks where the straps from the package were. Then we have another saying that it was dark out so the witness probably would not have been able to actually see anything. Then after that we have the article saying that the technique the agent used is a universally used technique... I see nothing wrong with what the officer did, what I do see wrong is someone criticizing the law enforcement officer for not adhering to the law when the article points to the fact that he did. <br /> <br /> Now as far as rights go it seems that illegals have more rights than Americans. We had two agents go to jail for shooting a drug smuggler who was most likely armed as well and now we have this kid. We need to get our priorities in order I think (another reason why I hate Rick "free college for illegals despite the fact they don't pay into the system" Perry).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>Because after you have been convicted of a felony you can still vote and purchase firearms, wait you can't? </div></blockquote>My prior mentions of "innocent until proven guilty" should rather clearly indicate what I wasreferring to, and it certainly wasn't convicted felons <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Officer does have more rights... just for the simple facts that he is a LEGAL citizen of the United States and isn't breaking the law on two counts (drug smuggleing and illegal border crossing/immigration).<br /> <br /> And according to the article, the Agent didn't "beat up" the "prisioner":<br /> <br /> "The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.” <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> why does the officer have **MORE** rights?<br /> <br /> He might be acting 'in the right' more than the suspected criminal but they both have the SAME human rights. (or ought to !)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ "Human Rights" only exist as governments allow.<br /> <br /> You have rights as a citizen or resident or visitor to a country based on what that country's law states.  Not all countries have the same rights, not all treat aliens (legal or not) the same as citizens or residents.  In some cases residents do not have the same rights as citizens (such as right to vote).<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>Because after you have been convicted of a felony you can still vote and purchase firearms, wait you can't? </div></blockquote>My prior mentions of "innocent until proven guilty" should rather clearly indicate what I was referring to, and it certainly wasn't convicted felons <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> All I was saying is that when you commit a felony you do lose rights. On a side note I find the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing silly if you use it for every case. Look at the shooting in Arizona, the guy was captured on camera and had dozens of witnesses saying that he shot Gifford and many other people that day, how can one say that he's to be assumed innocent until he goes to court? Now in the case of drug dealers and other cases where they don't see the guy doing it then yes we can use the innocent until proven guilty aspect of justice. <br /> <br /> Also its funny that they punished this officer almost a year after the incident and after he was cleared by earlier departments. I don't think its good procedure to tell a guy that he's innocent and then almost a year later another agency says he's guilty and sends him off to jail. Especially after the guy has worked with the agency for over a decade.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I want to know what they said to the jury to convict the police officer.  Who's their jury pool, the Zetas?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>I want to know what they said to the jury to convict the police officer.  Who's their jury pool, the Zetas?</div></blockquote> maybe a couple Gammas.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>I want to know what they said to the jury to convict the police officer.  Who's their jury pool, the Zetas?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Probably a lot of emotional testimony and people in the jury who sympathized with illegal immigrants. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>I want to know what they said to the jury to convict the police officer.  Who's their jury pool, the Zetas?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Probably a lot of emotional testimony and people in the jury who sympathized with illegal immigrants. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Or were on the payroll. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>I want to know what they said to the jury to convict the police officer.  Who's their jury pool, the Zetas?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Probably a lot of emotional testimony and people in the jury who sympathized with illegal immigrants. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's pretty clear indications of "filtering" the jury. The witnesses admitted to perjuring themselves in the grand jury, and changed their story several times. Not to mention the pictures taken of the "victim" <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> the scene that plainly dispute if not outright prove he wasn't abused. Shoulda taken pictures of the defendants hand at the trial, I wonder if his hands were cut up and bruised from "improper handcuffing." his wife claims they are/were. <br /> After the trial the Judge refused to release the agent on bond because he was a "Danger to society." there's a slant here somewhere that doesn't make sense. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>how can one say that he's to be assumed innocent until he goes to court?</div></blockquote>Because not everything is as it first appears, and it's up to the court of law to find the facts about the situation.<br /> <br /> But the more I hear about this particular case, the more it seems that some corrupt politician in Mexico may have tossed around some money or influence to get the outcome they wanted...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Do people think the jury was nobbled?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite>Do people think the jury was nobbled?</div></blockquote><br /> Yes.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ With money, or threats?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>how can one say that he's to be assumed innocent until he goes to court?</div></blockquote>Because not everything is as it first appears, and it's up to the court of law to find the facts about the situation.<br /> <br /> But the more I hear about this particular case, the more it seems that some corrupt politician in Mexico may have tossed around some money or influence to get the outcome they wanted...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Now you're on the path to understanding. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite>With money, or threats?</div></blockquote><br /> Both. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>how can one say that he's to be assumed innocent until he goes to court?</div></blockquote>Because not everything is as it first appears, and it's up to the court of law to find the facts about the situation.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was talking about the guy in Arizona who shot a bunch of people at a speech that Representative Giffords was giving. The guy was caught by people in the crowd with the gun and caught on camera, in those instances I think its pretty easy to say who's guilty. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite>With money, or threats?</div></blockquote><br /> When I looked it up the definition I got was: to incapacitate ( horses) esp by drugging. Somehow I thought it was a slang. I thought you meant incapacitated by information. the jury was deliberately mislead by the restriction of the judge rather than the prosecutor. That formed a biased opinion. Given the first trial was thrown out for "problems with jurors" it's within the realm of possibility the jury was bribed or intimidated.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Melissia wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>how can one say that he's to be assumed innocent until he goes to court?</div></blockquote>Because not everything is as it first appears, and it's up to the court of law to find the facts about the situation.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was talking about the guy in Arizona who shot a bunch of people at a speech that Representative Giffords was giving. The guy was caught by people in the crowd with the gun and caught on camera, in those instances I think its pretty easy to say who's guilty. </div></blockquote><br /> Jack Ruby?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Exactly, sometimes its a definite thing because there are pictures of it and the guy was arrested right after he did it. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ No, I meant Jack Ruby did it. Jared L-who cares how to spell. Is just a patsy. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ While I detest the Police, as the majority of them have little to no restraint, it is clear that the officers were definitely in the right here.<br /> <br /> A shame that they have to waste years of their lives in there, though they will likely be among the best treated.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Phototoxin wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Officer does have more rights... just for the simple facts that he is a LEGAL citizen of the United States and isn't breaking the law on two counts (drug smuggleing and illegal border crossing/immigration).<br /> <br /> And according to the article, the Agent didn't "beat up" the "prisioner":<br /> <br /> "The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.” <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> why does the officer have **MORE** rights?<br /> <br /> He might be acting 'in the right' more than the suspected criminal but they both have the SAME human rights. (or ought to !)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Legal Trumps Illegal... end of story. <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><br /> Legal Trumps Illegal... end of story. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Until you don't like the law.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>halonachos wrote:</cite>Exactly, sometimes its a definite thing because there are pictures of it and the guy was arrested right after he did it. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It still has to go through the legal process, because the evidence needs to be examined by a jury, or we only have a lynch mob's word that they strung up the right guy. Open and shut cases are quickly dealt with in court.<br /> <br /> @AustonT -- In British slang "nobble' can mean any deliberate interference to bias a result, i.e. not just horse racing. There was a TV comedy sketch in which a man is filing his car with petrol and very carefully fills up the last few drops to get to exactly £20. The garage attendant then presses a hidden button marked "nobble", and the meter jiggles on to £20.01.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ @KilKrazy, gotcha. Well then by that yes I think the jury was nobbled. Maybe not bribed, probably intimidated, and very much deliberately interfered with to create a desired result.<br /> Given what happened to the two cops that shot the drugrunner, it almost probable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><br /> Legal Trumps Illegal... end of story. <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Until you don't like the law.</div></blockquote><br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/813fd55ae283423385e2697b5fbde8c7.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span> I don’t find it easy to believe the Mexican drug barons would go to all the trouble of subverting the Mexican government, the US DoJ, trial judge, and jury, just to put a policeman in jail for two years because he roughed up a teenager with a rucksack of weed.<br /> <br /> Why would they even bother?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ To make border patrol agents that little bit more afraid to do their jobs? In a systemic manner, that is what is going on.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span> I don’t find it easy to believe the Mexican drug barons would go to all the trouble of subverting the Mexican government, the US DoJ, trial judge, and jury, just to put a policeman in jail for two years because he roughed up a teenager with a rucksack of weed.<br /> <br /> Why would they even bother?</div></blockquote>The same reason why they'd try to subvert the privacy attempts of various websites to track down and brutally murder anyone who dares warn anyone that any fighting is going on anywhere, even if they dont' tell the police.<br /> <br /> These drug barons are ruthless.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Bromsy wrote:</cite>To make border patrol agents that little bit more afraid to do their jobs? In a systemic manner, that is what is going on.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It seems a very roundabout way of doing it. Wouldn't it be simpler just to kill the policemen and their families?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They are doing that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span> I don’t find it easy to believe the Mexican drug barons would go to all the trouble of subverting the Mexican government, the US DoJ, trial judge, and jury, just to put a policeman in jail for two years because he roughed up a teenager with a rucksack of weed.<br /> <br /> Why would they even bother?</div></blockquote><br /> I didn't actually say the drug cartels were doing the nobbling (new favorite word). Sometimes people with agendas come from weird angles. In this case the West Texas <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> (I think citation needed) filed the charges that put this guy in jail, also filed the charges against the buttshot agents. The "victim" was given a visa to testify against the agents and used it to smuggle drugs, and got caugt before he testified, a fact kept from the jurors which no doubt would have spilled the wind from that cases sails (enough...they still shot the guy in dubious circumstances). In this case it appears that the witnesses and victims also lacked a good deal of credibility and a case that should have been delt with by OPR and a sanction if necessary went to trial instead. If anything this officer should have had immunity (I can't remember the legal term for the kind of immunity) because of the supremacy clause.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Phototoxin wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>jp400 wrote:</cite>What a sad world we live in when an ILLEGAL alien has more rights then the officer arrenting his dumb ass does. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except he doesn't have more rights, he has the same rights.  The law says you can't beat up prisoners, not that they can't beat up prisoners unless they are from Mexico and in that case just go nuts becuase they aren't really people anyway.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The Officer does have more rights... just for the simple facts that he is a LEGAL citizen of the United States and isn't breaking the law on two counts (drug smuggleing and illegal border crossing/immigration).<br /> <br /> And according to the article, the Agent didn't "beat up" the "prisioner":<br /> <br /> "The council also noted that the teenager claimed no injuries in court other than sore shoulders, which the council attributed to “the weight of the drug load, approximately 75 pounds, he carried across the border.” <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> why does the officer have **MORE** rights?<br /> <br /> He might be acting 'in the right' more than the suspected criminal but they both have the SAME human rights. (or ought to !)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Legal Trumps Illegal... end of story. <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Evidently not when the government of Mexico calls certain people. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Evidently not when the government of Mexico calls certain people. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> "I have rights!"<br /> <br /> "I have guns."]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Bromsy wrote:</cite>To make border patrol agents that little bit more afraid to do their jobs? In a systemic manner, that is what is going on.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It seems a very roundabout way of doing it. Wouldn't it be simpler just to kill the policemen and their families?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This avoids having to do that.  Plus, you start shooting more (note the key phrase more as they already have) eventually the US government has to do something. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Bromsy wrote:</cite>To make border patrol agents that little bit more afraid to do their jobs? In a systemic manner, that is what is going on.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It seems a very roundabout way of doing it. Wouldn't it be simpler just to kill the policemen and their families?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This avoids having to do that.  Plus, you start shooting more (note the key phrase more as they already have) eventually the US government has to do something. </div></blockquote>Well... they ARE killing policemen.  Just not American ones.<br /> <br /> Mexican policemen have a very low survival rate...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They have been shooting American ones. Of Course our dear <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> signed off on selling them the guns to do it...]]></description>
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