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				<description><![CDATA[ I think I have finally finalized my 2500pt list:<br /> <br /> 2x Chaos Sorcerer, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span>, Wings, Lash, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(254);'>MB</span> <br /> <br /> 2x 5 Noise marines, BM, 1x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span>, rhino, icon <br /> <br /> 2x 7 Plague Marines, 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>, rhino /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>, icon <br /> <br /> 1x 10 Khorne Bezerkers, 2xpp, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(382);'>SC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, icon, rhino /w extra armour<br /> <br /> 3x 5 summoned lesser daemons<br /> <br /> 1x Summoned Greater Daemon <br /> <br /> 1x 5 Chosen, 4x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span>, rhino /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span> <br /> <br /> 2x 2 Oliterators <br /> <br /> 1x Vindicator /w daemonic posession, dirge caster(had leftover points and I've found the vindicator good to ram with if it gets <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(143);'>WD</span>)<br /> <br /> 2497~<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/263611-2500PTS%20of%20Chaos.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2011/8/27/263611_sm-2500PTS%20of%20Chaos.JPG" border="0" /></a><br /> <br /> <br /> Any comments or criticisms?  I think I have all the bases covered!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 295 points spent on lesser/greater daemons its not really all that usefull <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span> i spend that on more troops or expanding your heavy weapons with more oblits or even a loaded up havoc squad. aside from that its a nice balance list ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The daemons have to go. Three midget units of five isn't going to do much that chaos marines can't. I like the rest though. What is the purpose of those Noise marines? pew pew out of the rhino?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Samus_aran115 wrote:</cite>The daemons have to go. Three midget units of five isn't going to do much that chaos marines can't. I like the rest though. What is the purpose of those Noise marines? pew pew out of the rhino?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yes, The Noise Marines are used  in a similar role to a razorback.   They are a troops choice so they can hold points, they are armoured and the BM provides an excellent small template weapon.  Also because both the BM and the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(213);'>SB</span> can be assault weapons they can move and shoot.  The shooting also gets more dangerous the closer you get to it.<br /> <br /> As for the daemons it's maybe being misunderstood how they are used.   I use them in a purely tactical sense.  <br /> -I have the ability to summon them to any squad in my army without scattering.  <br /> -I can use them to reinforce a unit that has been hit hard.  <br /> -I can use them to help overwhelm and turn the tide in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.  <br /> -I can drop them off with a rhino driveby to hold a point.<br /> -the greater daemon can be used to dump a monstorous creature on the table to distract and clean up whatever the Chosen haven't finished dealing with when they die.  Because they do die almost every game.<br /> 2 more oblits or a single squad of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> aren't really capable of that.  If I had to choose another unit I would probably go for a second squad of Bezerkers if I could squeeze them in.<br /> <br /> <br /> For me the ability to have 8 troops choices and 3 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> choices is one of the few advantages the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> have over other lists. <br /> <br /> I do however very much appreciate the feedback as I haven't even gotten much in the past!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm not a very very expert with Chaos Marines, in fact I never played them seriously but I played many many times against them. <br /> <br /> After a quick look at one of the lates tournaments we made in my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>flgs</span> here a 'ard boys list a freind used with some positive results.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Flamers - Rhino. 195<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> HV - 2x Obliterators. 150<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> Extra - SGD. 100<br /> <br /> This leave you at 2498 pts.<br /> <br /> A lot of bodies, a lot of bullets and yes.. a little too much kill points also but that's not unusual at 2500 pts.. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Toban wrote:</cite>I'm not a very very expert with Chaos Marines, in fact I never played them seriously but I played many many times against them. <br /> <br /> After a quick look at one of the lates tournaments we made in my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>flgs</span> here a 'ard boys list a freind used with some positive results.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Flamers - Rhino. 195<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> HV - 2x Obliterators. 150<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> Extra - SGD. 100<br /> <br /> This leave you at 2498 pts.<br /> <br /> A lot of bodies, a lot of bullets and yes.. a little too much kill points also but that's not unusual at 2500 pts.. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Thats a very neat list.  I've played a few very similar lists and have actually done relly well with them, one of them even landing me very tight second place finish.<br /> <br /> I found better luck with 7 raptors in a squad.  5 wasn't enough meat to stay alive.<br /> I find at the 2500pt level <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s get filled full of bullets way too quickly.  Eternal warrior helps, but being able to hide a Sorceror in a squad is invaluble. I save <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span>'s for the 1850 and below level.<br /> Vind's are great in pairs.  once again at this point level not having daemonic posession leaves them very vulnerable.   with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> 10 / ap2  large blast every shot matters.<br /> Other than that the list is pretty solid, only lacking a little in <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span>.<br /> <br /> Here is my 2nd place list:<br /> <br /> -Sorc /w wings, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(254);'>MB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(194);'>PP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MOS</span></span>, Lash, Icon <br /> -Sorc /w wings, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(254);'>MB</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(194);'>PP</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MOS</span></span>, Lash, Icon <br /> <br /> -7 Plague Mariines /w 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>, Icon in rhino /w combi melta <br /> -7 Plague Mariines /w 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>, Icon in rhino /w combi melta <br /> -7 Plague Mariines /w 2x <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(563);'>MG</span> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> /w <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(105);'>PF</span>, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(746);'>CM</span>, Icon in rhino /w combi melta <br /> <br /> -12 summoned lesser daemons <br /> -12 summoned lesser daemons <br /> -12 summoned lesser daemons <br /> <br /> -summoned greater daemon <br /> <br /> -2 obliterators <br /> -2 obliterators <br /> <br /> -5 Havocs /w 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(328);'>ML</span> <br /> <br /> -5 raptors /w 2x melta and naked <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> <br /> -5 raptors /w 2x melta and naked <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(5);'>AC</span> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i like that last list but really prefer termicide to raptors. but i did use raptors to great effect at a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(48);'>gt</span> recently. untill those 6 games i thought them total crap and wrote them off for years. but i had to take them for comp points and it worked out. i love the summoned daemons and they have great synergy with chaos havocs for a surprise objective grab.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Toban wrote:</cite>I'm not a very very expert with Chaos Marines, in fact I never played them seriously but I played many many times against them. <br /> <br /> After a quick look at one of the lates tournaments we made in my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(38);'>flgs</span> here a 'ard boys list a freind used with some positive results.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span> - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(262);'>DP</span> - Wings - <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(101);'>MoS</span> - Lash. 155<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 7x Plague Marines - naked Champion - 2x Plasmaguns- Rhino. 241<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Meltaguns - Rhino. 205<br /> TR - 10 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(22);'>CSM</span> - 2x Flamers - Rhino. 195<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(35);'>FA</span> - 5x Raptors - 2x Meltaguns. 120<br /> HV - 2x Obliterators. 150<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> HV - Vindicator. 125<br /> Extra - SGD. 100<br /> <br /> This leave you at 2498 pts.<br /> <br /> A lot of bodies, a lot of bullets and yes.. a little too much kill points also but that's not unusual at 2500 pts.. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> hmm i like it the heavy support choices are how i wanted to try and run my next list, question though are raptors 22pts a piece? if so the meltas are only 10 for the both? if thats the case i may look into them instead of termicide. 5 bodies instead of three and they can still <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(471);'>DS</span>]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Steve Shields]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ 20 pts for each Raptor, 10 pts for each Meltagun.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Toban]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ i run my termicide a little diff, using personal icons. good for oblits too. but i can definently see the viability of the raptors as well. i also play a bit more of an in your face style.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ hmm if you drop a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> from each squad you can get six combi weapons and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter. i usually run my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> at five anyway, so this could add a bunch of anti infantry and anti tank.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Steve Shields]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Steve Shields wrote:</cite>hmm if you drop a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> from each squad you can get six combi weapons and a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> bolter. i usually run my <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(634);'>PM</span> at five anyway, so this could add a bunch of anti infantry and anti tank.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The only problem with that is that I already have all of my squads optimized as far as wargear.   I don;t have 6 more places to equip a combi weapon &gt;.&lt;]]></description>
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