<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? GW devoted gaming sites that i frequent and though the ratings for the game seemed to be pretty high compared to the ratings of other games, the actual reviews of the game play were some of the worst that i have ever read. Several reviews stated the same thing over and over. That the game takes no skill at all and that winning is just a matter of wild luck and has nothing to do with any skill. One reviewer said that the game was "more painful and less fun than being raped by a rhino." This seems mighty harsh. How does dakka feel now that the excitment for dreadfleets release has simmered down some.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496212.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
I'd take it over the amorous rhino any day..

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My wife suffered a fit of insanity, and i profitted

I'm not saying the game doesn't have a few issues, but it IS a blast to play, especially if you don't take it too seriously ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496222.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496222.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496226.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496226.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
She claimed half the ships to paint, but hasn't played yet.

My daughter has though She loves her pirates, she does...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496234.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496234.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
sennacherib wrote:One reviewer said that the game was "more painful and less fun than being raped by a rhino."


GW must have ran over his puppy or something.

The game is pretty popular in my parts, but so far we've only done casual play, usually a free-for-all with 4-8 people each controlling one boat.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496243.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? GW ran over his wife, shot his puppy and then burned his pickup. The winds were no longer in his sails, let me tell you. Did you find that game play was more an act of Fate than it was strategy?
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Personally I haven't played any of the above yet. I'm just curious if they didn't give the game a chance for being something in itself instead of expecting it to be like something else.

I have a copy on the way. At first I wasn't going to get it but the ships look awesome and I think the game would be a nice change from the 40k or warmahordes I usually play.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496268.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?

Although 'Super Dungeon Explore' is finally available sooo....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3496730.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? 40k..

It packs down into the box it came in, if you leave the lid off, and pack it carefully.

It does have soem randomness (the fate cards) but there is a lot of room for strategy/skill in there too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497155.page GMT Re:How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Although 'Super Dungeon Explore' is finally available sooo....


Haha yes I'm waiting for that one too

I have to be honest, Dystopian Wars appeals to me a little more (just in terms of the imagery and expandability), but I have seen neither one in the flesh and not played them so I couldn't comment any further!

++Reason for edit, curse Ascalam and his typing speed ++]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497163.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?

Caffiene baby... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497185.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
sennacherib wrote:One reviewer said that the game was "more painful and less fun than being raped by a rhino."


Maybe he just got the horn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3497602.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Howard A Treesong wrote:
sennacherib wrote:One reviewer said that the game was "more painful and less fun than being raped by a rhino."


Maybe he just got the horn.




The oldies are the best eh Howard?
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I may do so after playing, as I rather enjoyed it.

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I ended up cracking open my box and played a few games with friends. It's very fun. Simple to pick up, quick to play once a few elementary rules are explained.

My only gripe lies with some Fate cards. Other than that, it's a great game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3498444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3498444.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Either way, I like it. It is fun. It can be played in about an hour, maybe 90 minutes. And it is a nice break from constant 40k.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3498507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3498507.page GMT Re:How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
1) The models are just stunningly detailed and capture the spirit of the races they are supposed to represent. There are a lot of nice little details, like the
creatures depicted on the sails wearing eye-patches and such. They are also very different and thus entertaining to paint.

2) Fully assembled and played on the mat, the game looks just great. Illustrations, Rulebook, everything is in fact a feast for the eyes.

3) The rules are very entertaining. They manage to capture the spirit of naval combat - the wind, navigating (one wil probably run into an island), broadsides and so on.

It´s also interesting to have ships that are strongly damaged. The "Drawing Cards"-System isn´t as predictable as the "wounds"-system that is normaly used. The ships can take HUGE amounts of damage.

The missions are really exiting and have you on the edge of your seat. The last mission we´ve played, however, was very hard to accomplish for the Great Alliance. Adding one or two turns
(house rule) fix that.

4)There´s a lot of stuff happening. The GW blog told the truth when they depicted what stuff could happen in only one turn of Dreadfleet.
In our last game, the Swordfysh and the Curse of Zandri were fighting eachother, while the Heldenhammer rammed the Bloody Reaver, which was allready in flames and suffering from an exploding
magazine. The Heldenhammer used it´s mechanical hammer to cause further damage, unti crew and captains fought it out in CC. Then it started to rain skulls who bit the crew, a monster (Sea Snake) appeared and some sharks started damaging the Heldenhammer by gnawing at it. All the while, the ships were under fire from a fortress manned by skeletons.

This game is a beautifully looking pile of special effects and entertainig ideas combined with exiting scenarios and good rules. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499057.page GMT Re:How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499067.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499067.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? OTT and covered in skulls, not not very historically realistic, but still fun.

Against fantasy ones it's more a personal taste thing. I've played several naval/space-naval combat type games, and this one is decent to great, IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499282.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? FLGS still has a whole pile (I think about 10 copies) and my local GW has about 5, so I think I'm safe to ponder the purchase. Good to hear it's a lot of fun though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499309.page GMT Re:How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499717.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
It plays well on the floor too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499723.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3499869.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/709454/dreadfleet-review-2-more-ships-more-battles-less

http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.com/2011/10/review-dreadfleet.html

You must have read one of these reviews, judging from your comments about a rhino. I havent got a copy of Deadfeet, nor will i. I do have to say that reading these scathing reviews was more fun than i have had playing the game. For those of you on the fence i would read the two links. The assesment that Deadfeet is mostly luck based seems spot on. I know some GW fans are super stoked on it, but in my opinion, they are just that. GW fans. Take my opinion however you like, but enjoy the above critique.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500086.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500115.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3500731.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Hückleberry wrote:I've enjoyed playing dreadfleet.Its a great beer and pretzels game to enjoy with your friends.


So is every game GW makes, apparently. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501699.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Sidstyler wrote:
Hückleberry wrote:I've enjoyed playing dreadfleet.Its a great beer and pretzels game to enjoy with your friends.


So is every game GW makes, apparently.


Bazinga! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501722.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501722.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
It's only when people start taking them too seriously that things break down ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501724.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501724.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Sidstyler wrote:
Hückleberry wrote:I've enjoyed playing dreadfleet.Its a great beer and pretzels game to enjoy with your friends.


So is every game GW makes, apparently.


Well, if you are going to call reasonably complex games like 40k and WHFB "Beer & Pretzels," I would imagine there aren't many games made by anyone that won't qualify as such, including Warmahordes, FOW, and the like! For me, simple games like Axis & Allies War at Sea are much more true examples of a "beer & pretzels" game. Dreadfleet, and games like Dystopian Wars, which have simpler mechanics, fewer faction interactions, and a lot more luck involved than 40k could also be lumped into that category, I think.

Speaking for myself, I've refrained from voting, for while I own a copy of the game I have yet to play it. Reading thorugh the WD issue on it and the rulebook, though, it looks quite fun to me, probably on par with the fun level of DW (note, I'm not saying that they play the same, but rather that I'm estimating I will get similar levels enjoyment from them). Certianly, I feel that the quality of the components are outstanding, and I'm really anxious to start painting them up.

So, to answer the question raised by the OP, I've been enjoying Dreadfleet quite a bit, and I haven't even played it yet .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501778.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
Ruckdog wrote:
Well, if you are going to call reasonably complex games like 40k and WHFB "Beer & Pretzels," I would imagine there aren't many games made by anyone that won't qualify as such, including Warmahordes, FOW, and the like! For me, simple games like Axis & Allies War at Sea are much more true examples of a "beer & pretzels" game. Dreadfleet, and games like Dystopian Wars, which have simpler mechanics, fewer faction interactions, and a lot more luck involved than 40k could also be lumped into that category, I think.


The only complexity in 40K and WHFB derives from their convoluted ruleset and does not reflect on the tactical complexity of the games themselves.

Comparing both of them with such fundamentaly tactical games as Warmahordes, FoW, Infinity or FoF is like comparing playing Monopoly with actually "playing" the stock market... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3501834.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? 40k has a greater incidence of happy players to unhappy players or i for see bad things in the works for GW.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3502655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3502655.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet?
PhantomViper wrote:
The only complexity in 40K and WHFB derives from their convoluted ruleset and does not reflect on the tactical complexity of the games themselves.

Comparing both of them with such fundamentaly tactical games as Warmahordes, FoW, Infinity or FoF is like comparing playing Monopoly with actually "playing" the stock market...


Oh come now; that strikes me as so much hyperbole. Certainly, you can argue that 40k is less tactical than the other games you mention, but to suggest there are no tactics at all is a completely different matter! As such, I direct you to this blog post, which makes the point more eloquently than I ever could:

http://www.3plusplus.net/2011/08/fallacy-40k-lack-of-tactics.html
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If the random effects were toned down a bit, then the longer games would be more enjoyable, as the skill of the players would be more prominent.

IMO, the game uses a random game mechanic in a core role that overpowers the best efforts of the players.

And I agree the first few shorter game ARE quite enjoyable.But the more you invest in the game , the less you get in return, and that is just very poor game design.

In short the randomness is in the wrong place and too strong for me to enjoy the playing experiance.

YMMV.



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Ruckdog wrote:
PhantomViper wrote:
The only complexity in 40K and WHFB derives from their convoluted ruleset and does not reflect on the tactical complexity of the games themselves.

Comparing both of them with such fundamentaly tactical games as Warmahordes, FoW, Infinity or FoF is like comparing playing Monopoly with actually "playing" the stock market...


Oh come now; that strikes me as so much hyperbole. Certainly, you can argue that 40k is less tactical than the other games you mention, but to suggest there are no tactics at all is a completely different matter! As such, I direct you to this blog post, which makes the point more eloquently than I ever could:

http://www.3plusplus.net/2011/08/fallacy-40k-lack-of-tactics.html


I never said that there were no tactics in 40K / WHFB, I said that they wheren't tactically complex games. I would probably venture that in 90% (number completely pulled out of my ass) of the cases, list selection wins you games far more often than whatever tactics you try to use during the game itself, wich certainly isn't the case with any other of the games that I mentioned.

Also, and this has already came up in this forum a few weeks ago, I would further argue that 40k 5th edition is an infinitely more tactical game than the PoS that is WHFB 8th edition, where in the past the oposite was true...

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orknidious wrote: I know some GW fans are super stoked on it, but in my opinion, they are just that. GW fans.


Hard to take anything you say seriously, if you lump anyone that likes a game into the 'fan' catagory, and then claim they only like the game because they are a 'GW fan'.

By similar logic we could say that people only don't like the game because they are a "GW hater".

Neither is a valid arguement. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3513806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3513806.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? GW. Borderline hater at times, in fact

I like their games/models however. I'm a fan of the design studio, by and large

It's a fun game, as long as you don't try to take it too seriously. Pretty much like most GW games.

If you don't like the random aspect of the fate cards you could always ignore the effect and just track the wind direction/strength changes with them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3513926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3513926.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3514106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3514106.page GMT How do you enjoy your dreadfleet? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3515601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/406622/3515601.page GMT