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HQ;

Farseer with Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Singing Spear - 123p

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Elites;

5 Fire Dragons - 80p
Attached: Wave Serpent with Twin-Linked Scatter Laser - 115p

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Troops;

10 Dire Avengers with Exarch, Dual Avenger Shuriken Catapults, Bladestorm - 152p
Attached: Wave Serpent with Twin-Linked Scatter Laser - 115p

10 Guardians with Shuriken Cannon - 85p

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Heavy Support:

Fire Prism with Holofields - 150p

3 War Walkers with Scatter Lasers - 180p

MODELCOUNT: 32
TOTAL: 1000p



The lists of the opponents:
Imperial Guard: Lotsa Guardsmen, Vet squad in Valkyrie, LRBT, CCS, Lascannon and Mortar HWS all with various special weapons thrown in.
Orks: 3 Trukks with Slugga Boyz, a Nob wound-allocation lol unit in a trukk, Big Mek with KFF, 8 Lootas
Grey Knights: Strike Squad, Psyfleman, Purifier Squad, Terminator Squad, Grand Master all with various HTH weapons and Psycannons/Incinirators thrown in.
Chaos Space Marines: Defiler, Daemon Prince with Warptime and Wings, Berserker Squad, two Chaos Marine squads. Two of the squads have Rhinos.
Necrons: Don't know.
Chaos Daemons: Don't know.

The plan is to melt the most threatening tank with the Dragons, and otherwise simply overwhelm the enemy with S6 shooting. The Farseer hangs with the Avengers in order to perform a Guided Bladestorm of Doom as I like to call it. Tanks are also somewhat over-saturated for a 1000p battle, giving me an advantage. The Guardians will sit on an objective. The most obvious flaw is that I have only two scoring units, making me have to rely on contesting in an objective game. This could work out, since I have three very fast tanks that can tank shock units off objectives, but I'm not sure. Does anyone have any suggestions for improvements?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539034.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539034.page GMT Re:1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up? wraithguard to go with it. Also I don't personally like your HQ. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539850.page GMT Re:1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up? tbh...rubbish so you should do fine there. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3539874.page GMT Re:1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
Yriel_Exarch0409 wrote:make your army a 1500pt army and add a wraithlord and some
wraithguard to go with it. Also I don't personally like your HQ.


Yeah, playing a 1000p tournament and you suggest a 1500p army...

What HQ do you suggest then?

EDIT: What do you guys think about switching the Scatter Laser on the Fire Dragon Serpent to Shuriken Cannons? This opens up points to add an Eldar Missile Launcher to the Guardians.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543566.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
First things first. Don't even think about showing up to a tournament without Runes of Warding. Nothing scares psychers more than a 40% chance of Perils everytime they cast. Its a great psychological edge, and forces your opponent to only cast when necessary. And when they do cast, they get blocked 50% of the time and might even suffer perils.

This is good against IG ( shuts down battle psycher squads)
Great against CSM and GKs... you get the idea.

What are those Guardian Defenders doing? They have a 24 inch range heavy weapon, and are one of the only units in your army not capable of moving fast. If you want to do well in this tournament they need to go. This squad is nearly 100 points of pure waste. Sure they can sit on an objective, but they are too short ranged to reliably contribute to the fight, and they are too slow to evade the enemy. This is all combined with the fact that their low speed gives your opponent a target to advance on. And when your Guardians fall you lose both an objective and a troop choice- which is devastating.
So in essence you've got 85 points spent not meaningfully contributing yet you still desperately need to defend them so that you can continue holding their objective. Thus slowing down your entire army and severely hampering the playstyle that mech eldar is good at.

Sure War Walkers are also fairly slow, but they are different. Namely that War Walkers are the most cost effective way to put heavy weapons into an Eldar list. Guardians are so far from that its not even funny- since they have to pay for 80 points of fluff for a single weapon.

Take Guardian Jetbikes. Anyday, everyday.

(76) 3 Gu Bikes- Shuriken Cannon or
(129) 3 Gu Bikes + Warlock- Shuriken Cannon, Spear, Embolden

You still get the bs3 shuriken cannon, but instead of 10 bodies who move incredibly slowly, and die in droves to a flamethrower you've got 3-4 guys on incredibly fast jetbikes. You can put them in reserves, you can turbo boost them around corners and out of line of sight. You don't need to worry about putting them on an objective because they can turbo boost onto one in turn 5 or 6. They also don't give your opponent a critical target to lock onto and destroy. The Jetbikes are fast enough to flit away from your opponent's clumsy maneuvers (unless they are DE...) and generally keep themselves alive long enough to contest. This means that the rest of your army doesn't need to devote itself to protecting your objective holders, and can do what mech eldar does best, zipping about and really leveraging its speed.

Some minor things

If you are taking a single heavy support grav tank, the night spinner > fire prism. The difficult + dangerous terrain rules, rending, and starting the game twin linked are too good to pass up for the same cost. If you got the new fire prism box it contains all the parts needed for the Night Spinner. If you've already glued the fire prism together, take it apart. Magnetizing these things are awesome as it lets you freely switch between tank variants without spending 50 dollars for a new kit. If you have an old Fire Prism, then thats fine it'll do well enough.

Split your War Walkers into two squads. If you have free heavy support slots you are always best spreading them out. It helps to reduce overkill by allowing you to split fire if one of the squads obtains its objective. It also makes your War Walkers slightly more durable to things like auto cannons. By having 2 squads of Walkers, it makes your opponent's multi shot high strength weapons (auto cannon teams / rifleman dreads) slightly less devestating to your heavy support.

otherwise it looks really solid. The only two real issues you'll have is the terrible second troop choice and lack of psychic defense, which is easily remedied!








]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543643.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543643.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up? CSM only has one power; Warptime).

I'm however getting very interested in those Jetbikes. I really want to convert three Reavers into Jetbikes. The thing is, I don't have the bits... Do you have any suggestions for good bit sites?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3543723.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
Farseer: Guide, Doom, Stones

Fire dragons: x5
-Exarch: Crackshot

Bikes: x3
-Cannon
Bikes: x3
-Cannon
Dire Avengers: x7
-Exarch: 2x catapults, Bladestorm
Wave Serpent: Scatter Laser
Dire Avengers: x7
-Exarch: 2x catapults, Bladestorm
Wave Serpent: Scatter Laser

Falcon: Scatter Laser, Holo-Field

996 pts.

The fire dragon go in the Falcon along with the Farseer. Guiding the falcon so the Pulse laser kills the harder targets. I like to use my Fire Dragons to kill things in cover so thats why I give them crackshot. Also it hleps when some drops smoke on a vehicle. Bikes i use them as one person said allready flying back an forth taking shoots were they can and hopefully taking an objective or two at the end of game.

Well good luck. I do like smaller games so sounds like it might be alot of fun.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545137.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
If you play the list out, and find you're having trouble in objective games because if you drop your troops out, they die, but if you don't, you have no firepower, then consider taking a full mech approach and bringing double EML/SL serpents with 5 avengers, and slim down the seer to just doom and warding (akaean is right, for 15 points they are worth it for the 1 game in 7 where you face GK alone). More tanks, less risk, but you lose the doomstorm. I think Bladestorm squads really come into play at 1500, when your opponents start bringing decent infantry deathstars and you can spare a troop choice since you're bound to have 3-4 in your list.

A single nightspinner will outperform a single prism every day of the week. And against that trukk army, and demons in general, nightspinners are going to be your best friends. Also, if the GK player doesn't have transports (you didn't list any I can see) then you can destroy him with spinners too.

And finally, balsak's list has some merit but needs a lot of fine tuning (dragons in shooty falcon? 7 man bladestorm squads? dragons with an exarch?) but is so different from your list that it shouldn't matter. balsak, if you want advice, make a thread yourself, but please don't try to give advice to others in the form of posting your own, unrelated list and 2 lines of strategy in their threads. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545508.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
Yes 7 man bladestorm. Didn't have the points to go 10 Sorry.

Yes Dragons in a flacon. It can still move and shoot. and still deploy dragons if need be.

Yes dragons with a exarch. I like crackshot. With all the cover saves in this game now crackshot is worth the extra points you have to spend.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545562.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
Take a 10man bladestorm unit, and a 5 man vanilla unit. You save points, get more dakka in the main unit, and still have a scoring unit.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! Put the 5 avengers in the falcon, and the dragons in the serpent! Now your falcon is scoring, and it can sit back shooting *all* weapons rather than shooting 1 weapon while only moving your dragons 12".

AND MORE! With the dragons in a serpent, you can flat-out their transport 24" with a 4++ save, immune to melta, then drop your big payload on turn 2 before THEIR big threats get across the table!

So not only can your falcon shoot more (safely, while scoring), your dragons shoot sooner with more safety, AND your bladestormers have more firepower, you ALSO SAVE POINTS on not taking useless upgrades.

10 bladestormers, dual cat exarch, 152
serpent, TL SL 115

5 dragons, serpent, TL cannon 180

5 avengers, falcon, holo fields, EML 230

Total 677

Against your:

7 stormers, dual cat exarch 116
serpent, TL SL 115

7 stormers, dual cat exarch 116
serpent, TL SL 115

5 dragons, exarch, crack shot 97
falcon, SL, holo fields 165

Total 724

Spend the extra 17 points on crack shot on the dragons if you like, I won't stop you. Its probably the best decision you made among the reasons you listed in the last post. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545823.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3545823.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
You bring up good ideas I grant you. I don't play mathhammer. I play with a certain style and a certain fluffiness. I guess we agree to disagree. But to say my ideas are flawed in some many words is just mean and not necessary.

As far as the falcon shooting more I only usealy shoot the Pulse as I am shooting at tanks that the Scatter laser can't hurt. Hey what do I know?

I also play against more mobile armies so I can meet them in the middle so turbo boosting isn't really necessary. I also don't like to put all my eggs in one basket so to speak. You however did. I don't like to sit on the "home" objective. It is not my play style. But again thats how we differ. I am not saying I am right. I am just saying that people should be able to play how they feel and not be called wrong or foolish for doing so, so to speak. But I do thank you for your imput and opinion. I just choose not to follow it.

Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3546044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3546044.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
I am however beginning to regret not making my Fire Prism a Night Spinner. It's very much because I'm gonna get a second Prism for my full 2000p army. But still...

Anyhow, I did change the list up a bit to make the Guardians more useful and squeeze Runes of Warding in there, and the only thing I lost was 2 S6 BS 3 shots:

HQ;

Farseer with Runes of Warding, Doom, Guide, Spirit Stones, Singing Spear - 138p

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Elites;

5 Fire Dragons - 80p
Attached: Wave Serpent with Twin-Linked Shuriken Cannon - 100p

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Troops;

10 Dire Avengers with Exarch, Dual Avenger Shuriken Catapults, Bladestorm - 152p
Attached: Wave Serpent with Twin-Linked Shuriken Cannon - 100p

10 Guardians with Eldar Missile Launcher - 100p

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Heavy Support:

Fire Prism with Holofields - 150p

3 War Walkers with Scatter Lasers - 180p

MODELCOUNT: 32
TOTAL: 1000p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3548354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3548354.page GMT 1000p Eldar list, how does it hold up?
My 1000 point list i used in a tourney looks like this:

Farseer, runes of wit, runes of ward, doom, guide, and spirit stones, Singing spear -148
5x Rangers -95
10x Dire Avengers -120
+Wave Serpent, Bright lance -135
5x Fire Dragons -80
+Wave Serpent, bright lance- 135
6x Striking Scorpions with biting blade and shadowstrike -133
Fire Prism with holofields -150

Total: 996

What are your thoughts on my list? Id like some feed back as i am using it in another tournament soon. (also i didnt mention it but it is a doubles tournament list, but this particular one was designed to be self sufficient so thats why i posted it here.) I've only played eldar for about a year (and 40k for that same time). But in this last year i've learnt alot about army composition and how to play eldar.

What ever you do decide to go with remember this: each unit in your army has to be mobile/flexible enough to be able to hit with the rest of your army. Your whole force is to attack one part of their force and destroy it utterly, minimizing your casualties. Now your enemy is fighting an uphill battle and they only have say, 700 points to your 1000.

Best of luck and post back and let us know how some of your games went using your list!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3550375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/408823/3550375.page GMT