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				<description><![CDATA[ Hey all,<br /> <br /> Here is my updated first attempt at piecing together a 2000pt Necron list any feedback would be greatly appreciated.<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(56);'>HQ</span>- Overlord/ Phaeron, Warscythe, Res Orb, Mindshackle Scarabs               165pts<br /> <br /> Court- Cryptek/ H of Despair- Abyssal Staff, Veil of Darkness                         60pts<br />           Cryptek/ H of Transmogrification- Tremorstave, Harp of Dissonance     55pts<br />           Cryptek/ H of Destruction- Eldritch Lance, Solar Pulse                          55pts<br />           Cryptek/ H of Destruction- Eldritch Lance                                            35pts<br />           Cryptek/ H of Destruction- Eldritch Lance                                            35pts<br /> <br /> Troop- 10x Immortals                                                                               170pts<br /> <br /> Troop- 10x Immortals                                                                               170pts<br /> <br /> Troop- 9x Immortals                                                                                 153pts<br /> <br /> Troop- 10x Warriors                                                                                 130pts<br /> <br /> Troop- 9x Warriors                                                                                   117pts<br /> <br /> Fast Attack- 10x Canoptek Scarabs                                                            150pts<br /> <br /> Fast Attack- 10x Canoptek Scarabs                                                            150pts<br /> <br /> Fast Attack- 5x Tomb Blades- Particle Beamers, Shield Vanes                      200pts<br /> <br /> Heavy Support- Canoptek Spider- Gloom Prism                                            65pts<br />                        Canoptek Spider- Fabricator Claw                                        60pts<br />                        Canoptek Spider                                                                 50pts<br /> <br /> Heavy Support- Annihilation Barge                                                               90pts<br /> <br /> Heavy Support- Annihilation Barge                                                               90pts<br /> <br />                                                                                    Total                 2000pts<br /> <br /> The idea is to keep the Phaeron Overlord in a unit of Immortals with the Cryptek holding the Veil of Darkness. The other Crypteks are split up into the other units while the Tomb Blades play a flanking role. The spiders are in one unit to utilize their ability for wound allocation while cranking out three new Scarab bases a turn. They will stay close enough to the existing Scarabs to act as a counter charge if need be. So now, instead of the Triarch Stalker I've added two Annihilation Barges, after cutting the Stalker, one Warrior and one Immortal this gave me the extra points needed to fill out the Heavy Support choices in my list.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Necron 2000 point list - First attempt</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ I really don't see the use of the Stalker here to be at all honest... you really don't wanna throw THAT much shooting at a rhino, do you? While I see it as good against infantry, this list really shouldn't struggle in that regard!<br /> <br /> I'd recommend dropping the stalker and cut a little bit elseware and get 2 annihilation barges. Otherwise, looks nifty!]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Necron 2000 point list - First attempt (Updated)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Here's the updated list.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ bigbaboonass]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Immortals are expensive for only getting a better <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> gun.  With 6's glancing your lower <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> weapons is just as dangerous.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:32:12]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MJThurston]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>MJThurston wrote:</cite>Immortals are expensive for only getting a better <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> gun.  With 6's glancing your loser <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>str</span> weapons is just as dangerous.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> For one point more than a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(167);'>tac</span> marine, you get S5 AP4 (or tesla), and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span>. Immortals appear to be steeply discounted. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(280);'>OP</span>, I'd either consolidate the Warriors into one group (20 warriors is damn near impossible to peel off an objective unless it gets bumrushed by a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(19);'>CC</span> unit) or take a fourth unit of Immortals.<br /> <br /> While I like the idea of the Phaeron leading some immortals, is he really worth the points for that purpose? He's not doing anything in this list aside from giving one unit of Immortals relentless. I'd make a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(547);'>CCB</span> warscythe lord instead.<br /> <br /> I like the idea of using Tomb Blades. I think <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(718);'>PB</span> blades will prove to be one of the underrated units in the codex. I recommend against the shield vanes in favor of the gear that grants stealth, or nothing at all. T5 with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(293);'>RP</span> should do a decent job at keeping them alive, and their decent range allows you to start off with them in cover and blast away. The shadowloom also lets them get a 2+ cover save when turboboosting, making them a great distraction.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I'm personally not sold on the annihilation barges. If you're using that many immortals, tesla + a Stalker means a lot of firepower (40 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(126);'>TL</span> tesla shots = 53 hits!) ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:44:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ostrakon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You could go...<br /> 3 units of 10 warriors<br /> 2 units of 10 immortals and save 10 points.<br /> <br /> Now here is the issue I have with Immortals.<br /> Old Version<br /> Assault 2 and Toughness 5<br /> <br /> New Version<br /> Rapid Fire and Toughness 4<br /> <br /> 10 Warriors 130 points vs 10 Immortals 170 points.  So now  you have to wounder if 40 more points is worth +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> on a weapon.  Vs Toughness 4/5 armies it's nice to have but you are still not busting the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span>.  Vs Toughness 3 armies there armor saves are usually 4/5/6's.  So there is an argument that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span> 4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> 5 is just as good in a tourney because you don't know what you are fighting.<br /> <br /> So to be honest warriors have the same weapon with a leadership of 10.  They better than a Space Marine and cheaper.  So this makes them a bargain.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:16:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MJThurston]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Necron 2000 point list - First attempt (Updated)</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Not that warriors aren't a bargain, but:<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>So now you have to wounder if 40 more points is worth +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>Str</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> on a weapon.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yep, at 4pts a model, coupled with a better save, this is almost universally true. Don't let the fact that they used to be Assault 2 T5 color your opinion of the new ones. They also used to be 28 points a pop. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:06:33]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Ostrakon]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You can't have more than one cryptec take a wargear choice from the same school either. <br /> <br /> Say you have 3 harbringers of destruction. You can have 3 with solar pulse but not 3 with lances, just one.<br /> <br /> If you had two lords you could have 2 max in an army. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:11:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ They also walked 6 inches and fired 24 inches.  This made them great.  I can't tell you how many times I walked backwards and made people pay for trying to assault them.  Now they are just slightly better.<br /> <br /> The major draw back is that Ghost Arks do not heal them.  If they did then that would change everything.<br /> <br /> I'm not saying 1 or 2 squads is bad but taking 5 units of them equals 200 points for +1 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(123);'>STR</span>/<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> bump up.  Expensive if you ask me.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 10 Nov 2011 01:14:22]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ MJThurston]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>IronfrontAlex wrote:</cite>You can't have more than one cryptec take a wargear choice from the same school either. <br /> <br /> Say you have 3 harbringers of destruction. You can have 3 with solar pulse but not 3 with lances, just one.<br /> <br /> If you had two lords you could have 2 max in an army. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Actually the Lance is what you get when you make a Cryptek a Harbinger of Destruction, not the Solar Pulse. So you can have anywhere from 1-5 Crypteks from the same school, and since in order to upgrade from a generic Cryptek to one of the schools you have to upgrade the staff, you can have anywhere from 1-5 Lances when taking Crypteks with the H. of Destruction, but only one Solar Pulse per Royal Court.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:30:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ bigbaboonass]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>bigbaboonass wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>IronfrontAlex wrote:</cite>You can't have more than one cryptec take a wargear choice from the same school either. <br /> <br /> Say you have 3 harbringers of destruction. You can have 3 with solar pulse but not 3 with lances, just one.<br /> <br /> If you had two lords you could have 2 max in an army. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Actually the Lance is what you get when you make a Cryptek a Harbinger of Destruction, not the Solar Pulse. So you can have anywhere from 1-5 Crypteks from the same school, and since in order to upgrade from a generic Cryptek to one of the schools you have to upgrade the staff, you can have anywhere from 1-5 Lances when taking Crypteks with the H. of Destruction, but only one Solar Pulse per Royal Court.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is correct.]]></description>
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