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*Syrup = syrup of figs = wigs ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557482.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557482.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
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Melissia wrote:Hopefully this'll make his state position look bad too.

texas looks good?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557641.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557641.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
Politically speaking, it's nastier than... well, an unmentionable nasty thing which I can't post on this fourm.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557646.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Necroshea wrote:Yes let's get rid of education agency rick, that there is a smart thing to do.

Probably his best idea, to be honest.

I wasn't terribly excited when he entered the race, but it's unfortunate to see him crash and burn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557650.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three? federal department of education myself. I've an open mind on the matter, but I'm unclear why it's not wholly a state function. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557693.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Ouze wrote:I don't consider myself to be a conservative, but I certainly see the merit of questioning the need for a federal department of education myself. I've an open mind on the matter, but I'm unclear why it's not wholly a state function.

I'm still getting used to the state v nation gov. division of labor here, but isn't what Americans are teaching their children a matter for the nation as a whole? Different states putting funding and emphasis on different aspects of education will make for a yet further divided nation in the future? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3557729.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Necroshea wrote:

Melissia wrote:Hopefully this'll make his state position look bad too.

texas looks good?

Beats the

out of New Mexico.

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MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Ouze wrote:I don't consider myself to be a conservative, but I certainly see the merit of questioning the need for a federal department of education myself. I've an open mind on the matter, but I'm unclear why it's not wholly a state function.

It's... tricky.

As policy goes, a national standard sounds good to a lot of people, and terrifying to others. When it comes to curriculum, the differences tend to be symbollicaly important, but practicly insignificant. Things like evolution, state history, and what literature is required/forbidden all get people fired up, but aren't exactly critical to long term success, either for the individual or the nation.

The problem is how education is funded and run. Most states are divided in school districts, which aren't even always the same as any other political boundary (my city growing up was served by four different school districts). A local school board runs the district under the state and national guidelines. The money comes primarily from local property taxes, plus extra money from the state and federal treasury.

the only reason the federal government can actually influence education is through spendings. Congress is (in theory) limited to only certain areas, with others left to the states. There is no legit legal argument to allow the Federal Government to actuall regulate education. What they can do is tax the entire country, and only give money to those states that follow certain rules. (many people argue against this sort of backdoor power, but not the nine people that matter).

I'm really not certain what the department of education does, other than hold my student loan debt (suckers). I think there's a valid point to be made in asking why we have a Federal Agency in charge of an area that the Federal government actually doesn't have authority over.

As for the liberal/conservative split on the issue, as a general rule, conservatives favor state's rights. There are a lot of reasons for that, ranging from tradition to simply not wanting to be told what to do. In practice, many conservatives want to be able to do things that the Federal Government won't let them. Gary, Indiana and Jackson, Mississippi want to cover the Civil Rights movement in very different ways, for example.
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What an idiot

No argument there!

Check out this hilarious fake document making fun of his lunacy at the last debate.

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Polonius wrote:As for the liberal/conservative split on the issue, as a general rule, conservatives favor state's rights.

Unless their state disagrees with them, in which case they'll go to the federal government in a heartbeat. See the gay rights issue.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560832.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560856.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
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Oops!

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His campaign adds feel like Michael Bay movie trailers...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560931.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3560931.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Kansas Board of Education's decision on what to teach in science classes back in the mid-2000s is a good example of why you don't want to leave education up to the states. I don't want to be driving through Mississippi, get hit by a drunk driver, and end up in the emergency room under the care of a guy who believes he can heal me with snakes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562020.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562086.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Seaward wrote:Kansas Board of Education's decision on what to teach in science classes back in the mid-2000s is a good example of why you don't want to leave education up to the states. I don't want to be driving through Mississippi, get hit by a drunk driver, and end up in the emergency room under the care of a guy who believes he can heal me with snakes.

Then don't drive through Mississippi.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562174.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

Seaward wrote:Kansas Board of Education's decision on what to teach in science classes back in the mid-2000s is a good example of why you don't want to leave education up to the states. I don't want to be driving through Mississippi, get hit by a drunk driver, and end up in the emergency room under the care of a guy who believes he can heal me with snakes.

Then don't drive through Mississippi.

Or cross country, for that matter. That North Dakota/South Dakota/Nebraska/Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas line would become a lot more intimidating if they were allowed to completely set their own educational policies. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562192.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562192.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562513.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Seaward wrote:Or cross country, for that matter. That North Dakota/South Dakota/Nebraska/Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas line would become a lot more intimidating if they were allowed to completely set their own educational policies.

...not sure if serious.

I can't imagine what sort of hell the United States was before the Dept. of Ed. came around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562536.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

Seaward wrote:Or cross country, for that matter. That North Dakota/South Dakota/Nebraska/Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas line would become a lot more intimidating if they were allowed to completely set their own educational policies.

...not sure if serious.

I can't imagine what sort of hell the United States was before the Dept. of Ed. came around.

A blistering hellscape! Before 1979 everyone in the U.S. was a sleestak.

My personal preference would be to expand the Dept of education, it pretends to be a federal program but the wealth of individual communities still significantly impacts the quality of the available education which encourages dynastic wealth and poverty (and has done that statistically for a very long time). I'd prefer an actual national school program funded and run by the federal government to the piecemeal approach being fethed up now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562559.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
We get it. You don't like big government. So, you've decided to elect incompetent people to office in the hopes that they won't be able to accomplish anything. That's totally within your rights.

However, the rest of us are sick of having idiots in charge. The last one was survivable, but this one is like a caricature of the last one. Please take him back, we don't want him.

Thanks,
The other 49 states]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562680.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Physically speaking, yes.

Politically speaking, it's nastier than... well, an unmentionable nasty thing which I can't post on this fourm.

My god woman, how nasty can it get!?
lol

Perry, the same idiot who included subsidized tuition for children of illegal immigrants to texas, FFS how come people living legally in the country and its citizens need to pay up to 20k a year for tuition fees but tax payer money is used to get illegals 100k of the total tuition fees? And his argument for this insane stupidity is to "not be heartless". Gee, I guess I can be "not heartless" with someone elses money too then.
How come people havent sent that slow up in space strapped to a gigantic scud missile by now I cannot fathom. Are you getting as spineless and brainwashed as we whimpy swedes are these days?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562783.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Grakmar wrote:Dear Texas,

We get it. You don't like big government. So, you've decided to elect incompetent people to office in the hopes that they won't be able to accomplish anything. That's totally within your rights.

However, the rest of us are sick of having idiots in charge. The last one was survivable, but this one is like a caricature of the last one. Please take him back, we don't want him.

Thanks,
The other 49 states

That needed Exalting.....done!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562868.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

ShumaGorath wrote:

biccat wrote:
Seaward wrote:Or cross country, for that matter. That North Dakota/South Dakota/Nebraska/Kansas/Oklahoma/Texas line would become a lot more intimidating if they were allowed to completely set their own educational policies.

...not sure if serious.

I can't imagine what sort of hell the United States was before the Dept. of Ed. came around.

I don't like the idea of a nationally run education program, especially if it means that the political ideologies of either side come into play. Think about it, we have places where a large group of people do not want to teach their kids about evolution and we have places where its mandatory to learn. Same thing with sex-education, some places are abstinence-only and others are comprehensive.

Then if you have a national program you still have to look at the quality of the students they receive, you could have the same programs and teachers I have and put different students in and their scores would still be low. It all depends on the society surrounding the school rather than the school itself. If you really want to improve education you would have to control society.

What I think we should do is follow certain examples; less topics and more depth is what we need. Kids in China cover 5 or so topics per grade while their American counterparts learn more than 20. This is effectively making the US a jack of all trades, but master of none.

America also suffers from a lack of a homogeneous population; Japanese schools have Japanese students, Finland has Finnish students, Chinese schools have Chinese students while American schools have a much larger degree of heterogeneous student populations. Like it or not but your race and culture matter when you look at education, just like everything else. This means that schools need to adjust at a local level for the demographics of their area and not just the state for their citizens. Another issue is de facto segregation that occurs at certain schools because of the surrounding population. Sometimes it just can't be fixed by busing students from the suburbs into the inner-city or vice versa in order to mix up the populations. A national program increases the chances that education will not be made to fit the student and instead would continue the same path we are currently on. Education needs to be localized in order to allow teachers to create lesson plans that will allow the material to reach the local population in ways that could be vastly different than another area, but be just as effective. As far as a national curriculum, yes we should have a national curriculum that outlines what is necessary for students to learn, but should not include copies of tests that teachers can teach. In fact I think that nationwide or even state wide tests should be lessened and that we should focus more on the cumulative grades of the student population with a test at the end of the year comparing different areas to one another. We also need to stop having huge competitions for funding from the government and instead of having funding be reward based it should be need based. If we continue to have reward based funding then we have a big potential of teachers and even school districts cheating by making tests easier for the students or even teaching the test, in fact there are cases of teachers pulling out the national or state test booklets and teaching their students the actual test. If need based funding is put into place then the worst thing we could see is a teacher not teaching in which case they would be fired for not doing their job, or teachers creating incredibly difficult tests in order to suppress grades which would need some sort of oversight to make sure that this does not happen. I would rather see a person with lower grades because a test it too hard rather than someone who passes a test because it is too easy personally, but that is just a personal opinion.

Teachers should also receive pay for the quality of the education they give instead of the time that they have been teaching. A new teacher may be an incredibly great teacher but is the more likely candidate for being fired due to other teachers having seniority over them. Similar to a professor's tenure, a teacher who has spent a longer time at a school is a less likely candidate for being fired based solely on their seniority even if that teacher is poor quality. This is where a strange balancing act comes into play, if we have competition amongst teachers in a school it needs to be regulated somehow, that regulation would have to be student performance and there would have to be a standard test for students to take to prove their level of retention. Its all very complicated in how it should be done.

Another alternative would be to rotate teachers from areas where teaching is difficult to areas where it is easier. This may help prevent competition between school districts, but it may also prevent competition amongst teachers. Or it could increase competition amongst teachers if we gamble with the idea of having poor quality teachers placed in difficult areas and good quality teachers being placed in easier areas. The rational is that a teacher would hate having the more difficult job and in order to get out of that position they would increase the quality of the education they give in order to be placed into a different area. The gamble though is that its also possible the teacher would "dumb down" their coursework or give extra credit out in order to boost grades. Again, a test would be needed to determine if that was happening.

Teachers should be hired by the federal government instead of state or local governments in order to allow this possible rotation/reassignment. Of course this also means that teachers would need to be nationally certified, compensated for travel, paid a bit more, and most likely receive other benefits to make up for the fact that there is a chance they could be relocated during their career.

As far as a national curriculum we should see an increase in the sciences and math as well arts while sacrificing history. Is history important, yes, but history has a less likely chance of creating anything new and innovative compared to science, math, or art. We need students who are intelligent enough to use scientific and mathematical methods but are also creative enough to apply them to various situations or even allow them to create new situations. Intelligence and creativity should be paramount compared to being able to regurgitate information. Don't get me wrong, I myself love history but its not going to help me create any new scientific theories.

So a national education program, no. A national curriculum, yes. Localized programs and lesson plans, yes. National tests, most likely.

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We get it. You can't compete with conservatives in the realm of ideas so you'll simply attack people for a gaff in a debate. You'll denigrate conservatives as hicks and rednecks while defending the idiots you elected to run this country.

We can survive 4 years of the current guy, but really, 4 more years would just be awful. Please take him back Chicago, the rest of the country doesn't want him.

Thanks
People of the United States.

See, isn't that totally unhelpful and a waste of time? So why don't we focus on stuff like actual issues instead of running around calling other people and their politics idiotic?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562878.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Pyriel- wrote:

Physically speaking, yes.

Politically speaking, it's nastier than... well, an unmentionable nasty thing which I can't post on this fourm.

My god woman, how nasty can it get!?
lol

Maybe its could be as nasty as Illinois politics is corrupted. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562883.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3562883.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Sgt_Scruffy wrote:Dear People Who Pretend to Talk for the Entire Country,

We get it. You can't compete with conservatives in the realm of ideas so you'll simply attack people for a gaff in a debate. You'll denigrate conservatives as hicks and rednecks while defending the idiots you elected to run this country.

We can survive 4 years of the current guy, but really, 4 more years would just be awful. Please take him back Chicago, the rest of the country doesn't want him.

Thanks
People of the United States.

See, isn't that totally unhelpful and a waste of time? So why don't we focus on stuff like actual issues instead of running around calling other people and their politics idiotic?

Because calling other people, and their politics, idiotic is easier, and therefore more accessible.

Politics isn't necessarily about engaging with plebes, its about making plebes do what you want.

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halonachos wrote:
Maybe its could be as nasty as Illinois politics is corrupted.

Oh look, a joke about political corruption in Illinois!

This is a shining example of that rare trifecta of originality, topicality, and sterling wit!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563090.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

ShumaGorath wrote:He should of just rolled with it when Mitt suggested the EPA.

Funny thing is I think Mitt was actually trying to help.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563123.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:He should of just rolled with it when Mitt suggested the EPA.

Funny thing is I think Mitt was actually trying to help.

Hell, he couldn't hurt Perry much worse than Perry's done to himself at that point!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563136.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency? Isn't this supposed to about a) your ideas, and b) your ability to govern? I say that knowing how incredibly naive that sounds, of course. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563139.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency?

Seriously? he can't remember his OWN lines that he's practiced over and over.
I'm worried about him remembering which button he's supposed to push/push only in an emergency!
How would a man that can 'oops' in such a manner act in closed meetings with other world leaders?
I really feel he's not capable of the job he's applying for.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563164.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

alarmingrick wrote:

gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency?

You really feel that he's not capable of the job because he missed one line of a prepared speech?

I wonder how you feel about the Telepromptor in Chief.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563176.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:He should of just rolled with it when Mitt suggested the EPA.

Funny thing is I think Mitt was actually trying to help.

I find it strange that he stated he wouldn't advocate cutting the EPA when on the spot, but that he's cutting the departments of education and energy. Isn't killing the EPA a wet dream of Perrys theoretical voter base?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563185.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency?

Seriously? he can't remember his OWN lines that he's practiced over and over.
I'm worried about him remembering which button he's supposed to push/push only in an emergency!
How would a man that can 'oops' in such a manner act in closed meetings with other world leaders?
I really feel he's not capable of the job he's applying for.

You really feel that he's not capable of the job because he missed one line of a prepared speech?

I wonder how you feel about the Telepromptor in Chief.

There's 'missing a line', then there's that little show. i swear if there had been
a rock big enough near by, he would of hid under it.

Just fine with Barry. Thanks for asking.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563260.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:
gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency?

Seriously? he can't remember his OWN lines that he's practiced over and over.
I'm worried about him remembering which button he's supposed to push/push only in an emergency!
How would a man that can 'oops' in such a manner act in closed meetings with other world leaders?
I really feel he's not capable of the job he's applying for.

You really feel that he's not capable of the job because he missed one line of a prepared speech?

I wonder how you feel about the Telepromptor in Chief.

He's hella good with that teleprompter though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563312.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

ShumaGorath wrote:He's hella good with that teleprompter though.

Can't deny that. He reads other peoples words out loud like a champ.

Not really what I'm looking for in a President, but maybe that's enough for others.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563323.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563332.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

ShumaGorath wrote:
I find it strange that he stated he wouldn't advocate cutting the EPA when on the spot, but that he's cutting the departments of education and energy. Isn't killing the EPA a wet dream of Perrys theoretical voter base?

Yeah, that's what was so strange.

In other news, here is the campaign spin.

And further hilarity.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563335.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563335.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:He's hella good with that teleprompter though.

Can't deny that. He reads other peoples words out loud like a champ.

Not really what I'm looking for in a President, but maybe that's enough for others.

Well as long as we exist in the hyperbolic realm of glenn becks toilet bowl, what are you looking for in a president? Keep in mind, the rules of bias chicken is that you have to keep going further over the top of the last time. You've implied that Obama is a ghost written hack who is an unintelligible mute when he's not in front of a scrolling text wall, so I'm expecting something pretty impressive from you!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563354.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

alarmingrick wrote:

gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency?

Yeah, seriously. Remembering lines doesn't really have anything to do with governing, and it's not like nothing he said was insulting or scandalous.

IMO, people on both sides of the political spectrum find debates to be worthless until someone on the other side makes a small "error" or displays some personal behavior that people latch onto (Gore "rolling his eyes too much", for instance). Then suddenly debates are HUGELY important and telling about a candidate.

It's beyond silly to me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563359.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:
Can't deny that. He reads other peoples words out loud like a champ.

Not really what I'm looking for in a President, but maybe that's enough for others.

Are you under the impression that Obama is the first President to use a speechwriter, and a teleprompter?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563364.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563364.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

ShumaGorath wrote:

biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:He's hella good with that teleprompter though.

Can't deny that. He reads other peoples words out loud like a champ.

Not really what I'm looking for in a President, but maybe that's enough for others.

Zombie Reagan.

Shining braaaaaaaains on a hill.

I'm not sure I've implied that Obama is a ghost written hack, nor that he's an unintelligible mute (not sure if that makes sense). I do think that he's a idiot of below average intelligence with funny ears and who doesn't realize when he's being controlled.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563372.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:He's hella good with that teleprompter though.

Can't deny that. He reads other peoples words out loud like a champ.

Not really what I'm looking for in a President, but maybe that's enough for others.

Well as long as we exist in the hyperbolic realm of glenn becks toilet bowl, what are you looking for in a president? Keep in mind, the rules of bias chicken is that you have to keep going further over the top of the last time. You've implied that Obama is a ghost written hack who is an unintelligible mute when he's not in front of a scrolling text wall, so I'm expecting something pretty impressive from you!

That was really unimpressive. I expected better. You didn't even do it right. You're awful at bias chicken.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563381.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

biccat wrote:I do think that he's a idiot of below average intelligence with funny ears and who doesn't realize when he's being controlled.

Sometimes the irony is so thick it would take an acetylene torch to cut through it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563387.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three? he's so 'horrible' as a president, you had to go with appearance.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563420.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Fixed it for you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563872.page GMT Re:Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:

Grakmar wrote:Dear Texas,

We get it. You don't like big government. So, you've decided to elect incompetent people to office in the hopes that they won't be able to accomplish anything. That's totally within your rights.

However, the rest of us are sick of having idiots in charge. The last one was survivable, but this one is like a caricature of the last one. Please take him back, we don't want him.

Thanks,
The other 20(19 in 04) states and DC

Fixed it for you.

Wow, a lot of states voted for perry in 04!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563911.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563911.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563918.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?
Note that I'm not saying Gore would have been a better candidate, especially given how his politics have turned post-election...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563966.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563966.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Melissia wrote:Technically speaking, Al Gore got the majority vote, and it was in fact the electoral college which was the reason Bush won.

Note that I'm not saying Gore would have been a better candidate, especially given how his politics have turned post-election...

The 2000 election was proof the electoral college works. But I doubt that concept will ever click with you if it hasn't already.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563979.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3563986.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

Melissia wrote:I'll note here that if you bothered to read my post (you didn't), you might notice that I didn't take a position on whether or not it "worked", only correcting you on a basic fact which you got wrong.

Ill note here if you read my previous posts (which you didn't) you might notice I said a majority of the states voted for Bush II hence the electoral college didn't use voodoo to make Texas' vote against all the other 49 states. Its ok I don't expect you to read for context. It might take too much time away from decrying the Nazi Christian Republicans who live in your neighborhood.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564078.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:
The 2000 election was proof the electoral college works. But I doubt that concept will ever click with you if it hasn't already.

Florida is a small state that needs its interest protected?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564390.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564414.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:While the water shed issue was Florida and it's, what would you call it? "irregularities" the fact that Gore won the popular vote and lost the electoral college is basically the exact scenario the college exists for.

Yeah, that's certainly correct, but when the College is discussed it isn't generally with regard to its purpose as defined by policy, but rather its philosophical goal.

My point is that the electoral college, ostensibly, exists in order to protect small states from larger ones. However, in reality, it is simply another means by which large states can levy "grievances" (quotes because states don't really have grievances against one another anymore) against one another.

Then there's the whole partisan thing regarding the absence of proportional voting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564559.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

AustonT wrote:I said a majority of the states voted for Bush II

So? I never said otherwise.

But regardless of all that, more people still voted for Al Gore than for Bush.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3564944.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three?

gorgon wrote:Are people supposed to think that Perry will accidentally eliminate the wrong government agency? Isn't this supposed to about a) your ideas, and b) your ability to govern? I say that knowing how incredibly naive that sounds, of course.

It's also about being able to get people to agree with your ideas, and that tends to go poorly if you can't even express them.

And, in a primary, it's also about sizing up how a candidate would do against the other side. Say what you will about Obama, he's a competent debater. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3565229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3565229.page GMT Rick Perry...one, two,...three? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3565332.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/409905/3565332.page GMT