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My kind of crowd!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3559389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3559389.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3559445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3559445.page GMT We are the 53%
Comparatively a southern slave may have had a better life than a freed black man in the north. Note I said may.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560026.page GMT We are the 53%
Its hard to sell a message of "You should be thankful!" when you aren't acting in a way which is consistent with being thankful.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560237.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

One should be happy as long as one has a job yes? Even if its slave labour.

Yeah, gimmegimmegimme, entitlements, handouts, free healthcare and benefits and nooo responsibilities in return. Guess it works as long as someone else is paying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560330.page GMT We are the 53% I'm all for hard work and carrying your own weight, but if one honestly believes that the 1% managed to reach a position in which they receive and control the majority of the wealth in the country based on merit, hard work and a solid work ethic...then perhaps the "53%" deserve the fleecing which we've been getting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560361.page GMT Re:We are the 53%
The idea they are just a bunch of lazy hippies is just an easy way to dismiss any legitimacy they may have.

Are they still protesting? Have not hear much in the past few days. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560379.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560381.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

Piston Honda wrote:Interesting enough, many of the people who are part of the 99% do work hard.

The idea they are just a bunch of lazy hippies is just an easy way to dismiss any legitimacy they may have.

Are they still protesting? Have not hear much in the past few days.

AFAIK "OWS" is still protesting...and more power to them.

As I stated, I don't expect anyone to " carry" me, I've been busting my tail since I was 16 ( 42 now) and make my own way , one doesn't have to be a "lazy trust fund hippie" to see that the deck is stacked against the working class.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560404.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560412.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

Fething retards. How many of them can afford to go to the doctor? How many of you can? Congrats, the systems sucks ass. Move along and quit being blind sheep.

Most should being the healthcare (medicaid, medicare) eats up the largest pie of the entire US budget leaving things like military spending behind.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560428.page GMT We are the 53%

FITZZ wrote: You know, while all of these "personal stories" of hard work and determination are ...inspiring , not a single one of them in any way negate the ridiculousness of the gap in wealth between the top 1% and the rest of the population.
I'm all for hard work and carrying your own weight, but if one honestly believes that the 1% managed to reach a position in which they receive and control the majority of the wealth in the country based on merit, hard work and a solid work ethic...then perhaps the "53%" deserve the fleecing which we've been getting.

No matter what system you live in; Capitalism, Communism, Democracy, Republic, Oligarchy, Monarchy, whatever, there will always be those who exploit the flaws in the system (and everyone knows there is no flawless system) for their own gain, you see it here in the US, you see it in every country on earth, that's humanity for you...

You can change the rules but you can't change the players...

Just because it fits...

Spoiler:

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But then...
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?203725-List-of-Occupy-Wall-Street%92s-supporters-sponsors-and-sympathizers

Makes you wonder...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560445.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

FITZZ wrote:

Piston Honda wrote:Interesting enough, many of the people who are part of the 99% do work hard.

The idea they are just a bunch of lazy hippies is just an easy way to dismiss any legitimacy they may have.

Are they still protesting? Have not hear much in the past few days.

Yup.

I have nothing against the rich being rich. Hell, I hope they get richer by putting more money into innovation. Life has progressed because of it.

I just have issues of the mega rich being able to buy and manipulate politicians. Don't think because I can't give a politician millions, I should not be given a better deal than someone else, more than likely the poor guy who needs the better deal.

There is a lot I disagree with the 99%. There are some issues I agree with and hope something is fixed. I'm not nearly as old as you, I'm only 24, but I have earned my BA and working on my masters in Special education, worked 30 to 40 hours a week doing odd back breaking work. I do not owe a dime in college tuition. But I am still broke because of my outrageous costs in health insurance, which is impossible for me to live without. I am insurance broke, this is not OK no matter how many people on FOX news says it is. it is a problem millions are hurting from, and it is getting worse.

I volunteer a lot in my community, coaching youth football, organizing blood drives and donating my own blood, organizing toy drives during Xmas and AIDS awareness at a local museum in my town.

I'm far from lazy. and I am no hippy. But the 99% do have some right ideas. I don't Daddy War Bucks to buy me my house and a TV.

I just don't want to get kicked in the balls and have them tell me it's fair.

Class warfare my ass. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3560476.page GMT Re:We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563329.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563329.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

daedalus wrote:What amazes me is that, in spite of OWS rising up to do their thing in the name of 99% of the populace, just how many people under the umbrella for which they are protesting for hates them for it. I mean, maybe it's cause I don't remember the hippie protest thing in the 70s, but I've never seen such a reaction toward people trying to upset the status quo in the favor of helping you.

You're assuming that what the protestors are agitating for will help the rest of us in the 99%. It won't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563386.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

Pyriel- wrote:

One should be happy as long as one has a job yes? Even if its slave labour.

Yeah, gimmegimmegimme, entitlements, handouts, free healthcare and benefits and nooo responsibilities in return. Guess it works as long as someone else is paying.

So you're for ending the special tax breaks that the top 1% enjoy then?

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biccat wrote:
daedalus wrote:What amazes me is that, in spite of OWS rising up to do their thing in the name of 99% of the populace, just how many people under the umbrella for which they are protesting for hates them for it. I mean, maybe it's cause I don't remember the hippie protest thing in the 70s, but I've never seen such a reaction toward people trying to upset the status quo in the favor of helping you.

You're assuming that what the protestors are agitating for will help the rest of us in the 99%. It won't.

The ability of conservatives to act against their own self interest is truly startling sometimes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563397.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

biccat wrote:You're assuming that what the protestors are agitating for will help the rest of us in the 99%. It won't.

I (still) have yet to see evidence of that. The really curious thing to me is that very few of the 'anti-protestors' are making that claim. They're not trying to say "you're wrong and here's why". Their message is "we like serfdom, and you're lazy for not liking it".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563409.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563409.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

ShumaGorath wrote:
The ability of conservatives to act against their own self interest is truly startling sometimes.

Well, they are moral paragons.

That being said, much of what OWS seems to want would be awful for the economy. If they could limit their message to "Reform banking regulation!" they would be better off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563411.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

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That's really the thing though. They're not economists. But, just as you don't need to be an electrician to know there's an electrical problem when your toaster electrocutes you every time you use it, you don't have to be an economist to see there are problems.

Unfortunately, you might just need to be an electrician to know how to fix it properly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563428.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563428.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

daedalus wrote:There's a lot of things that could be done to help that OWS isn't covering also. Fixing copyright/patent law for starters...

Well, they are advocating banking reform, which is fine and likely to carry with many people. Its all the other things they're advocating, and the way they're advocating them, which are the problem.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563442.page GMT We are the 53%

dogma wrote:I love this. Protesters protesting other protesters, largely by claiming that their protest is a waste of time.

Its hard to sell a message of "You should be thankful!" when you aren't acting in a way which is consistent with being thankful.

See, I agree with you, I hate anything to do with "protesting" I just want to be left the feth alone by pretty much everyone, and I cant be arsed to protest feth all, make a placard, or march anywhere.

But you have to agree with someone dont you?

I agree with these boring fethers.

Stop moaning about rich people and do some work hippies!

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mattyrm wrote:

dogma wrote:I love this. Protesters protesting other protesters, largely by claiming that their protest is a waste of time.

Its hard to sell a message of "You should be thankful!" when you aren't acting in a way which is consistent with being thankful.

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563501.page GMT We are the 53%

ShumaGorath wrote:

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.

Gah! Its you! Must you badger me with your incessant italics!

When the feth did I mention Russians!?!

I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Is that really so silly? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563529.page GMT We are the 53%

mattyrm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.

Gah! Its you! Must you badger me with your incessant italics!

When the feth did I mention Russians!?!

I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Is that really so silly?

When your work is being skimmed by a social upper class that is born into incredible wealth and who have several decades of legislation built up to protect them and their assets? Yes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563552.page GMT We are the 53%

mattyrm wrote:
I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Porn stars moan while they work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563561.page GMT We are the 53%

ShumaGorath wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.

Gah! Its you! Must you badger me with your incessant italics!

When the feth did I mention Russians!?!

I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Is that really so silly?

When your work is being skimmed by a social upper class that is born into incredible wealth and who have several decades of legislation built up to protect them and their assets? Yes.

Yes mate, but here's the thing, that's a big fething "When" same as it was a big "Russians"

You invent a premise to have an argument with me!

Granted I see things somewhat black and white, that's the soldier in me, but I dont stick my foot in my mouth hugely and say anything along the lines that you retort to me with. Clearly some wealthy people massively take the piss, clearly some poor people massively take the piss when they live on benefits for 25 years. I wouldn't argue with taking benefits off 25 year doley's, and I wouldn't argue with taking assets off ridiculously wealthy idiots who dig out blind to commit tax evasion or defraud people or rob hard working people. Im pretty much always in the middle ground.

And fethers who sniff coke off hookers tits and gamble with millions of other peoples money aren't in the middle ground. Neither are hippies who daub graffiti on St Pauls, live in a tent, and wash less than stray dogs.

I'm merely saying that I find most of the "protester" types to be boring and one dimensional and Id rather just shut the feth up and go to work. Must you invent a point of view for me in order to have an argument?

gak, I like arguing and its not like i dodge controversy! If you want one ill oblige, but i want to argue about something I really agree with..

Here you can pick one..

Britain should keep the monarchy/Gay marriage/abortion should be legal/Manchester City are better than United/George Bush was thicker than Obama

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mattyrm wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.

Gah! Its you! Must you badger me with your incessant italics!

When the feth did I mention Russians!?!

I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Is that really so silly?

Yes it is. It is also rather dull way to look at the world. Rub some of those brain cells you have left after last nights binge and engage in the world. Take a stand or get back to work and stop YOUR moaning. Stop sounding like a wussy lapdog. Try getting pissed off like the rest of us or join the 53% group of morons who don't have a clue. I work next to the protests here in CA and while making a delivery, there were some vets for peace who asked me if I was going to join the protest and I proudly told them I was working but they had my full support. They held up their fist in solidarity and I held mine up in return. I think they were from the war in Korea. Get involved.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563593.page GMT We are the 53%

dogma wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
I think people should spend more time working and less time fething moaning.

Porn stars moan while they work.

aha!

They cant spend less time fething either!

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Radiation wrote:
Yes it is. It is also rather dull way to look at the world. Rub some of those brain cells you have left after last nights binge and engage in the world. Take a stand or get back to work and stop YOUR moaning. Stop sounding like a wussy lapdog. Try getting pissed off like the rest of us or join the 53% group of morons who don't have a clue. I work next to the protests here in CA and while making a delivery, there were some vets for peace who asked me if I was going to join the protest and I proudly told them I was working but they had my full support. They held up their fist in solidarity and I held mine up in return. I think they were from the war in Korea.

I prefer posting pissed, its like everyone wants a fight!

Why do I sound like a wussy lapdog when I say "stop dripping"

The 53% don't have "a clue" in your opinion, I'm sure there's a couple billion disagree with you.

Radiation wrote: Get Involved

No thanks. I'm too busy drinking and enjoying myself. You crack on though mate, Ill be thinking of you when your ineffectually banging your placard in the rain and im sinking another cold one and getting a hand shandy off the missus.

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Radiation wrote:mattrym: Whatever turns you purple. I won't be thinking of you sweetness.

I'm happy to leave it there then. As im sure you have gathered from my posts, im not a banker or a stockbroker and as such ive no interest in prolonging the argument with you.

Many things turn me purple.. It might be my blood pressure though.

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Monster Rain wrote:You're thinking of him as you write that, though.

Shriek!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563802.page GMT Re:We are the 53% ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563812.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563812.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

So you're for ending the special tax breaks that the top 1% enjoy then?

In general, yes.

That's right, stop pointing out the flaws. Just shut up and accept it as the rich take over your society and the generations after you are consigned to wage slavery. It worked for the russians amazingly.

Yeah, the protesting entitlement crowd turned out oh so well in London. Great mentality the liberal leftie welfare society breeds.

As for pointing out flaws, there is nothing wrong with that but when the hippie crowd often turn to violence, looting and are generally screwed by the very same occupy wallstreet organisation they previously donated money to then I do have a problem since they are no longer simply innocent people trying to point out flaws in a corrupt society.
Even more so when the whole movement is greatly supported and funded by groups like American Communists, CAIR, ACORN and what have you.

Say what you want about the Tea Party crowd but I am still to see one of their rallies turn to violent rampage, something that seems to be so ripe with the "innocent" wallstreet protesters who only want to point out the flaaaaaws of a faulty system to the benefit of us all *cough*

Yes mate, but here's the thing, that's a big fething "When" same as it was a big "Russians"

You invent a premise to have an argument with me!

Granted I see things somewhat black and white, that's the soldier in me, but I dont stick my foot in my mouth hugely and say anything along the lines that you retort to me with.

Relax and play along instead. You can always ask him about the London riots as a counter

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I reckon the whole left wing/right wing thing was the best thing the powerful ever came up with to keep us all squabbling.
It's really a case of rich fethers screwing poor fethers, as it has been throughout history. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563941.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3563950.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

daedalus wrote:

biccat wrote:You're assuming that what the protestors are agitating for will help the rest of us in the 99%. It won't.

We've been over this many, many times before. Check out the OWS thread. Or any thread about taxes, or about government control.

You can generalize the "anti-protestors" all you want, but your generalities are wrong. My argument (if you consider me an anti-protestor) is not "we like serfdom, and you're lazy for not liking it," it's "I like freedom, and you're dangerous for not liking it."

See the quote in my sig.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564165.page GMT We are the 53%

mattyrm wrote:Stop moaning about rich people and do some work hippies!

Pick up the can, citizen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564215.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

biccat wrote:
You can generalize the "anti-protestors" all you want, but your generalities are wrong.

But, of course, biccat is free to generalize with respect to the OWS movement, and really anyone he doesn't like.

Because conservatives are persecuted, or something.

biccat wrote:
My argument (if you consider me an anti-protestor) is not "we like serfdom, and you're lazy for not liking it," it's "I like freedom, and you're dangerous for not liking it."

So your argument, like the one you're objecting to, is predicated on a strawman.

I don't know if election season has gotten to you, or what. But your post quality has degraded massively over the last month or so, its really very sad because you're capable of so much more.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564384.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

biccat wrote:My argument (if you consider me an anti-protestor) is not "we like serfdom, and you're lazy for not liking it," it's "I like freedom, and you're dangerous for not liking it."

Funny, you don't seem to like it very much. Your double standard amuses me, but really Biccat, you're better than this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3564936.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

Because...the london...riots had nothing to do with OWS, yeah?

Same s*it, same mentality, same people benefiting from it.
Go check up on all the little anti corporate leftie protesters popping up all over in the states and do a count on how many turn violent or loot.
Bunch of entitled lazy IQ liberated schmucks wanting someone else to pay for their own mistakes in life.

Granted, there is a minority that are genuine and those I highly respect, not all people can help their situation but if you take a loan and go do a major in gakking history or human arts and then complain you compete with a hundred thousand others for a burger flipping job and scream for getting bailed out of your debts then bummer, you should have picked math or realized you are not intelligent enough and done something that doesnt require gigantic study loans cuz I aint gonna pay for them for you.
That or pretend you are an illegal immigrant from mexico and maybe Rick Perry can give you free study subsidizing, you know having working people pay for it all socialist style.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565533.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

Pyriel- wrote:

Because...the london...riots had nothing to do with OWS, yeah?

I love it when these guys start foaming at the mouth.

Actually if you are a citizen, you ARE going to be paying for them. Foam at the mouth all you want. The only thing in life that's certain are death and taxes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565846.page GMT We are the 53% http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/occupy-oakland-protesters-deposit-funds-at-wells-fargo-after-bank-attacks/

this proves they're just a bunch of hypocritical dumbasses that need to stop bitching and start working...I guess they don't realize that most of the people they're protesting against got where they are by hard work, not being lazy and feeling entitled to things they don't deserve]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565927.page GMT We are the 53%

starhawks wrote:http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/occupy-oakland-protesters-deposit-funds-at-wells-fargo-after-bank-attacks/

this proves they're just a bunch of hypocritical dumbasses that need to stop bitching and start working...I guess they don't realize that most of the people they're protesting against got where they are by hard work, not being lazy and feeling entitled to things they don't deserve

This "proves" absolutely nothing, one can acknowledge the "need" for a Police force without advocating police brutality and 3.00Am door kicking ...
But it seems to me that it's just far easier for people to dismiss these protesters as "lazy hippies who want everything handed to them" then it is to take a critical look at how corporations and the world banks do business.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3565986.page GMT We are the 53%
It's why I don't fully condemn one while blindly supporting the other. My problem with OWS is that their insane behavior has made the Tea Party look like reasonable people, and as such, they won't accomplish much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566084.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:So your argument, like the one you're objecting to, is predicated on a strawman.

You keep using that word, I'm not sure that it means what you think it means.

This isn't really anything new for you, I'm just not sure why you persist in it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566375.page GMT We are the 53%

Da Boss wrote:
I reckon the whole left wing/right wing thing was the best thing the powerful ever came up with to keep us all squabbling.

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FITZZ wrote: But it seems to me that it's just far easier for people to dismiss these protesters as "lazy hippies who want everything handed to them" then it is to take a critical look at how corporations and the world banks do business.

It's also easier for people to flame and troll than to post something intelligent and thoughtful....

In the end, if you really think about it... when you deposit money in a bank, you have even MORE right to want the banks to shape up and fly right. After all, you're invested in the bank at that point-- who can blame someone for wanting banks to reform when you have your own money invested in said banks? But alas, we can't expect the people who are so quick to bash the Occupy Whatever movement to actually think in terms of logic and reason like this...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566505.page GMT We are the 53%

FITZZ wrote:

starhawks wrote:http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/09/occupy-oakland-protesters-deposit-funds-at-wells-fargo-after-bank-attacks/

this proves they're just a bunch of hypocritical dumbasses that need to stop bitching and start working...I guess they don't realize that most of the people they're protesting against got where they are by hard work, not being lazy and feeling entitled to things they don't deserve

I'm using the protestors as an example for people as a whole who feel so entitled for absolutely no reason...no one should have to pay higher taxes because they worked harder and earn more money, and no one deserves handouts from the government for no reason...I just found it hilarious how ironic and pathetic it was that the protestors used the same bank that they vandalized and were protesting against...classic example of foot in mouth ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566591.page GMT We are the 53%

starhawks wrote:
I'm using the protestors as an example for people as a whole who feel so entitled for absolutely no reason...no one should have to pay higher taxes because they worked harder and earn more money, and no one deserves handouts from the government for no reason...

To this day I'm amazed that arguments from entitlement have become such pervasive strawmen.

starhawks wrote:
I just found it hilarious how ironic and pathetic it was that the protestors used the same bank that they vandalized and were protesting against...classic example of foot in mouth

Or an example of banks having an excessive market presence, it can go either way.

Of course, recognizing that would require uncertainty, and no one likes being uncertain; its far too difficult.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566696.page GMT We are the 53%

dogma wrote:To this day I'm amazed that arguments from entitlement have become such pervasive strawmen.

I think, if you're being fair, that there is a bit of a sense of entitlement in some of the rhetoric from many of these OWS protesters.

dogma wrote:Of course, recognizing that would require uncertainty, and no one likes being uncertain; its far too difficult.

Cognitive dissonance hurts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566742.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566753.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

biccat wrote:
You keep using that word, I'm not sure that it means what you think it means.

This isn't really anything new for you, I'm just not sure why you persist in it.

I'm quite confident in my understanding of the strawman fallacy. It is, simplified, any argument against a misrepresented position. This misrepresentation can be accomplished in a number of ways, but the one you use most often is extrapolation by generalization; ie. "We want the legal system to reflect our Christian values!!" becomes "We want a theocracy!"

You do this constantly, and not even with any attempt to veil with wit.

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Monster Rain wrote:
I think, if you're being fair, that there is a bit of a sense of entitlement in some of the rhetoric from many of these OWS protesters.

True, but then entitlement basically just follows from protest. Many members of the Tea Party seem to believe they are entitled to freedom*, for example.

*I now must start trolling Tea Party message boards with this sentiment, it will be glorious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566767.page GMT Re:We are the 53% OWS hypocrisy: The view of a middle class college student who works and contributes to society

If the protesters at OWS actually cared about the financial gap, they would be occupying the NFL, occupying Bill Gates, occupying university heads, occupying the federal budget, occupying the military, occupying Greece, and occupying the health care industry.

Yes, bankers maintain their wealth in recessions because the government gives them handouts. But so does GM.

The top 1% may earn billions of dollars, but they pay a much larger percentage of their income in taxes and make up the majority of taxes paid by the entire U.S. population. Do NOT try and claim they don't contribute their share to society. If OWS protesters cared about tax equality, they would be occupying the inner city welfare system and its recipients, those who take but fail to give.

The top 1% create many jobs for the portion of the 99% who actually want to try and get a job and contribute to society.

I am glad the top 1% earns as much as they do, because our incredibly unfair tax system in the United States takes nearly half of their income and gives it back to "needy" Americans who just can't live without life's necessities: Cable T.V., 2000 calories a day, Internet, cell phones, drugs/alcohol, and a house.

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dogma wrote:*I now must start trolling Tea Party message boards with this sentiment, it will be glorious.

I shall require links.

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gman1401 wrote:I am glad the top 1% earns as much as they do, because our incredibly unfair tax system in the United States takes nearly half of their income and gives it back to "needy" Americans who just can't live without life's necessities: Cable T.V., 2000 calories a day, Internet, cell phones, drugs/alcohol, and a house.

It is hard to hear from people that they are "barely making ends meet" when they are tweeting about it from a $400 smart phone, I will concede that point.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566801.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

gman1401 wrote: Do NOT try and claim they don't contribute their share to society.

Or gman1401 will be very upset.

gman1401 wrote:
If OWS protesters cared about tax equality, they would be occupying the inner city welfare system and its recipients, those who take but fail to give.

OWS, to my knowledge, has not advocated "tax equality", whatever that is.

gman1401 wrote:
The top 1% create many jobs for the portion of the 99% who actually want to try and get a job and contribute to society.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566853.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566853.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:

gman1401 wrote: Do NOT try and claim they don't contribute their share to society.

Or gman1401 will be very upset.

gman1401 wrote:
The top 1% create many jobs for the portion of the 99% who actually want to try and get a job and contribute to society.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

solid counter arguments]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566873.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

starhawks wrote:
solid counter arguments

We're arguing now? I thought we were trading platitudes in order to make ourselves feel better.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566920.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:

starhawks wrote:
solid counter arguments

We're arguing now? I thought we were trading platitudes in order to make ourselves feel better.

using pretentious quips because you can't think of a good response? understandable]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566949.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

starhawks wrote:
using pretentious quips because you can't think of a good response? understandable

I'm guessing that you don't appreciate the irony here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566955.page GMT We are the 53% http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566974.page GMT We are the 53%

starhawks wrote:I'm guessing you didn't realize I intentionally made it ironic...

So you knowingly responded with a pretentious quip, in lieu of a "good" response, in order to illustrate the intellectual rigor of your position?

That doesn't seem like a solid frame for an argument.

starhawks wrote:
but I'm done with this, unless you want to actually make a point about the topic

Its tired nonsense predicated on appeals to vague moral concepts rather than sound policy, and people that take it is a well-reasoned political position should be ashamed of themselves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3566992.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:
But, of course, biccat is free to generalize with respect to the OWS movement, and really anyone he doesn't like.

Because conservatives are persecuted, or something.

So your argument, like the one you're objecting to, is predicated on a strawman.

I don't know if election season has gotten to you, or what. But your post quality has degraded massively over the last month or so, its really very sad because you're capable of so much more.

dogma wrote:
To this day I'm amazed that arguments from entitlement have become such pervasive strawmen.

Or an example of banks having an excessive market presence, it can go either way.

Of course, recognizing that would require uncertainty, and no one likes being uncertain; its far too difficult.

dogma wrote:
Or gman1401 will be very upset.

OWS, to my knowledge, has not advocated "tax equality", whatever that is.

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

dogma wrote:
We're arguing now? I thought we were trading platitudes in order to make ourselves feel better.

dogma wrote:Well, they are moral paragons.

That being said, much of what OWS seems to want would be awful for the economy. If they could limit their message to "Reform banking regulation!" they would be better off.

dogma wrote:
Well, they are advocating banking reform, which is fine and likely to carry with many people. Its all the other things they're advocating, and the way they're advocating them, which are the problem.

dogma wrote:
Porn stars moan while they work.

@Starhawks, I don't think he has many constructive points to make on the topic judging by his posts so far...
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gman1401 wrote:
@Starhawks, I don't think he has many constructive points to make on the topic judging by his posts so far...

Read: dogma writes things that make me upset.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567002.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567002.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:I'm quite confident in my understanding of the strawman fallacy. It is, simplified, any argument against a misrepresented position.

Ah, I see the problem. You think I'm arguing against a misrepresented position. Allow me to be clear: the OWS protestors have clearly shown that they are anti-freedom, in terms of free speech, equal protection and religious freedom (these beliefs are actually pretty pervasive in the American Left, but we'll put them aside for now). This is dangerous. People who support this rhetoric are dangerous enablers.

I actually find it particularly amusing that you attack people who criticize OWS for using "strawmen" arguments (your standard refrain when you can't come up with a legitimate criticism, or so it seems), yet let the arguments against "anti-protestors" stand. Because they're totally not strawmen arguments.

Your hypocrisy and double standards are glaring, yet expected.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567008.page GMT Re:We are the 53%

dogma wrote:

gman1401 wrote:
@Starhawks, I don't think he has many constructive points to make on the topic judging by his posts so far...

Read: dogma writes things that make me upset.

Yeah I would've posted my response sooner but I was too busy crying and calling my mom.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567017.page GMT Re:We are the 53% That will be quite enough, warnings will be issued.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567019.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410009/3567019.page GMT