sourclams wrote:Special character restrictions are 'good' for the game overall, in that it does promote diversity in list building and you'll see certain modules like BLT+Banes be forcibly taken less, versus the must-take status that they currently enjoy.

It also makes some warcasters more viable simply because Eiryss makes it into fewer lists. Karchev, for example, can be taken more safely with fewer disruptor bolts flying around. The WGDS, by contrast, becomes less common without Joe.

Biggest impacts:
Khador WGDS and Great Bears
Cryx BLT+Banes
eEiryss (although pEiryss and eEiryss might be taken in different lists in 2 list formats)
Cygnar B13th
Trollbloods Janissa
Menoth Book
Skorne Molik Karn
Circle/Legion almost nothing, really, very few go-to character models

IMO I think it hits Warmachine harder than Hordes, and Mercs obviously is hit hardest of all.

Laughing Man wrote:Until Tiberion comes out, anyway.

George Spiggott wrote:I would like to see an option for the restriction to be listed in the case of people fielding two theme lists where the characters are required to fulfil tiers.

Sparks wrote:Can you site some examples where that's a conflict?

George Spiggott wrote:I would like to see an option for the restriction to be listed in the case of people fielding two theme lists where the characters are required to fulfil tiers.

Malfred wrote:Mercs can bring the killer Shae
alpha strike list to the same tournament that they bring the Gorten Landslide
you off objectives list.

BTNeophyte wrote:For considering the prime and epic versions of characters different models, I assume warcasters are included in that (ie pKreoss/eKreoss as my two casters)?

Dais wrote:For my Cygnar lists I won't struggle too much. I can usually tell which list NEEDS the b13 and which list they are just nice in. I will have to make some deliberations on what list will get strangewayes but he dose not fit in every list anyway so it won't come up too often.

My mercs on the other hand are hit pretty hard. I play highborn and like to use nyss hunters with both Constance and Ashlyn for different reasons. With Constance they are melee troops capable of solid ranged attacks on the approach, but with Ashlyn they are primarily mobile ranged troops with hunter. There really aren't non-character alternatives to either of these roles right now and I am not buying an entire Shae tier list or a whole bunch of jacks just for a single rhulic caster. I may have to drop one of my two favorite merc casters for the slightly less enjoyable Broadside Bart if I chose to play competitively any time soon. I do not dislike Bart, he just wouldn't be in my first two picks if I was going to a tournament.
I know mercs as a whole are a faction and it's a 'choice' to play just one contract, but I do feel there's some disconnect between the contract system and the how mercs are viewed competitively.