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Any advice / input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636154.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636196.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3636494.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok

It runs up a flank and begins to hit his units in the flank. Being a monster it has tons of attacks against RnF.

its main problem is that its only T5. Lots of units have at least Str4, which means they can put some wounds on it. This is alleviated by it having 8 wounds(also means it won't die to a single cannonball unlike most other monsters)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3637871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3637871.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3638000.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3638000.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
Acardia: I ran mine into 30 Slayers and he came out with one wound ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3638878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3638878.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
@SoCxWarChief: Played against a couple of them in my last tournament. I really like them as a monster. Not overpowered, but lots of wounds, armor, and good toughness means they can't be easily dispatched either. Don't see a lot of benefit to putting a shaman on one, though...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3639219.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3639219.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3639381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3639381.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
Red_Zeke wrote:@Johnny-Crass: One wound suffered, or one wound remaining?! That sounds like a suicide run given their hatred and slayer ability...

@SoCxWarChief: Played against a couple of them in my last tournament. I really like them as a monster. Not overpowered, but lots of wounds, armor, and good toughness means they can't be easily dispatched either. Don't see a lot of benefit to putting a shaman on one, though...


If not a shaman, then what would be best, if anything, to equip it with?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3662675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3662675.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3662706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3662706.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok

With high T and a decent save it can soak up quite a few hits. It is far from invincible but its too big and potentially nasty to be ignored. I use mine along with wyverns and try to really put the pressure on early. Go monster hunting or get it thunderstomping as quickly as possible. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3667507.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3667507.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672407.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672501.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672501.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3672533.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673277.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673277.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
At least I think it has 8 attacks?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673446.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3673619.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3674446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3674446.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3675443.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3675443.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3675468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3675468.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
Basic 'Rakky versus Hydrastupidface:

2 Hydra Handlers: 4 Attacks, 2 Hit, 0.333 wounds

'Rakky chows down: 8*.5 = 4*.5 = 2*.83333 = 1.6667*.5 = .8333 wounds (obviously there's a chance of a Megapoison here)

Goblins attack: 8*.5 = 4*.16667 = 0.66668*.5 = .33334*.5 = .16667 wounds

Obviously this goes up pretty significantly if Rakky and the Gobbos get the charge, since the goblins would wound on 5s and deny a bit of armour. Still, now it's Hydrastupidface's turn, since he goes at the same time as the goblins

Hydrastupidface: 7*.5 = 3.5*.33333 = 1.16666*.83333 = 0.97221

Plus firebreath?: average of 7*.33333 = 2.33333*.8333 = 1.94444

Godsdammit, just realised the Hydra's breath attack is reduced in str depending on how many wounds it has left...can someone else who is actually good at maths do this?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3676361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3676361.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok think its stubborn? However I still throw my spider at the nastiest stuff staring across from me. At the very least try to get your BSB near or you may find that he's getting broken and run down more often than he is actually killed in CC. However, I see most of my opponents using considerable resources to take care of the spider. And hey, thats fine with me, the rest of my army can try to close unmolested. Venom surge has done some amazing things in a few of my battles, but as stated previously its not something to rely on. The goblin poison spell can make things a bit more interesting though. Just some thoughts...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3676934.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3676934.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
Dr. Delorean wrote:
'Rakky chows down: 8*.5 = 4*.5 = 2*.83333 = 1.6667*.5 = .8333 wounds (obviously there's a chance of a Megapoison here)


Don't forget that rakky has poisoned attacks.

So it would be:

8*1/6 1,33 autowound
8*2/6 2,66 hit then 1,33 wound so total 2,66 wounds minus regen makes it 1,33. 1/8 chance that one attack is the D6 wound one.

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1 attack has a 1/2 chance of hitting, however we have to account for poison here. As such only a 4 or 5 will follow the standard hit - wound - save trend, or 1/3. So, the chance of one attack 'hitting' and rolling to wound as normal, is 1/3, or .3. S5 vs. T5 is a .5 chance to wound, so we are sitting at ~.17 chance from the chance the roll was a 4 or 5, adding in the 1/6 chance of poison, we have about a ~.3 chance of each attack wounding. Multiplying by 8, we have ~ 2.6 wounds from the spider. 1/6 will be saved by hydra armor., so ~2.2 go to regen, for an average of ~1.1 wounds a turn, and the goblins spit out ~.17 wounds, for a total of 1.27 wounds a turn, with a 1/8 chance that the hydra took multiple wounds.

Handlers get their 6 attacks back, 6 * .75 (factoring in hatred) = 4.5 hits. S3 vs T5 results in .75 wounds, of which 1/3 are saved for .25 wounds. Hydra hits, 7 attacks needing 4's with hatred is 5.25 hits. Needing 4's is 2.625 wounds, of which 1/6 are saved for about 2.4 wounds in the first turn including handlers. 7 s 4 breath weapon attacks give about .7 breath weapon wounds, for a total of 3.1 wounds.

It takes rakky about 3.9 turns to kill the hydra, discounting venom surge. In later rounds of combat the handlers hit 3 times for .16 wounds after saves, hydra wounds 1.5 times after saves with a bit of rounding, needing 2.9 rounds to kill the rakky. So really, hydra wins unless he gets venom surged unsupported. The charge matters very little as the goblins even with s4 are nearly negligible.

Edit: I should probably note that the venom surge over the 3 rounds is a bit tricky to figure out, but is around 3/8 chance if I'm not making a glaring statistical mistake. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3681449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3681449.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok
And lets not forget the Gobbos! 8 extra attacks (albeit at 2 WS) can put that extra little damage on your opponent, like the other time they miraculously managed to deal that last wound on that pesky Stegadon.

All in all, I believe it is worth its money.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683108.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683145.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok
angelshade00 wrote:Plain Arachnarok works perfectly well for me. I'd like to try the Shaman once (for the Loremaster mostly I guess) but not to keen either. High T, lots of wounds and poisoned attacks, plus the ability to simply walk over forests. Place him behind a conveniently positioned forest and Spidey will shine. Near the flank, of course. I've once had it go through an Empire unit's flank along with all its detachments (save one), killing about 40 models before sending the others fleeing for their lives.


Forests don't impede anyone's movement. They just inflict dangerous terrain tests on Chariots.

Maybe you are thinking of Buildings and Impassable terrain, which the Spider can indeed just walk right over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683193.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok
Grey Templar wrote:
angelshade00 wrote:Plain Arachnarok works perfectly well for me. I'd like to try the Shaman once (for the Loremaster mostly I guess) but not to keen either. High T, lots of wounds and poisoned attacks, plus the ability to simply walk over forests. Place him behind a conveniently positioned forest and Spidey will shine. Near the flank, of course. I've once had it go through an Empire unit's flank along with all its detachments (save one), killing about 40 models before sending the others fleeing for their lives.


Forests don't impede anyone's movement. They just inflict dangerous terrain tests on Chariots.

Maybe you are thinking of Buildings and Impassable terrain, which the Spider can indeed just walk right over.

Indeed, apologies for the mistake. Thanks for correcting me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3683301.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
A-bomb's Feed attack: average of one wound/turn. Spider returns with 2.08/turn, minus Venom Surge.
Pummel: 2.5 wounds/turn versus the Spider's 1.75 minus Surge.
Avalanche: 4/turn versus 2.08 minus Surge.

That is...assuming the Spider is WS4 and I3, but...maybe he's I4? That would make sense, actually. All that means, though, is that he doesn't get a -1 to hit the A-bomb versus Pummel and Avalanche does, like, 3.333 instead.

The Spider's W8 and Venom Surge tip the odds, but not enough, I'd say, to justify his 35-50pt mark-up. Then again, I'd throw him at the A-bomb anyway, to prevent that thing from hitting my other units, and to prevent my Spider from getting zapped by Warp Lightning Cannons while its eating slaves...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3685129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3685129.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3685214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3685214.page GMT O&G Arachnarok http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3694680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3694680.page GMT O&G Arachnarok
But he's more than WS3, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3696474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3696474.page GMT Re:O&G Arachnarok WS 4]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3696897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/414441/3696897.page GMT