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(998 pts.)

Haemonculus - liquifier (60)
9 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (138)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

10 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (150)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

10 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (150)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

5 Incubi - (110)
Venom - Extra Splinter Cannon (65)

Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Flickerfields (115) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3649492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3649492.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
But that's not essential by any means, this list seems pretty solid.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650235.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650235.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650376.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
Other than that it's looking good ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650549.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650549.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
zcantin wrote:
Will this perform decently? How can it be improved? Any help is greatly appreciated!

Decent? Yes. It could do with some minor tweaks though.

zcantin wrote:
Haemonculus - liquifier (60)

Good always good.

zcantin wrote:
9 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (138)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

I'd try to squeeze a wych weapon, but that's it.

zcantin wrote:
10 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (150)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

10 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (150)
Raider - Flickerfields (70)

I would try to turn both of these into 5 man warrior squads with blasters in venoms w/ 2 SC. Now if you are going for an all wych list they need haemonculi and a wych weapon.

zcantin wrote:
5 Incubi - (110)
Venom - Extra Splinter Cannon (65)

Are the fieldable? Yes. Can they be mean? Yes. Should you take them? No. Incubi are just too expensive. I would try and get either more warrior squads like above or a ravager w/ FF.

zcantin wrote:
Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Flickerfields (115)

Absolutely good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3650842.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
(998 Points)

Haemonculus - liquifier (60)

9 Wyches - Haywire Grenades, Hekatrix, Agoniser (+wych weapon) (218)
Raider - Flickerfields

5 Warriors - Blaster (125)
Venom - 2 Splinter Cannon

5 Warriors - Blaster (125)
Venom - 2 Splinter Cannon

5 Warriors - Blaster (125)
Venom - 2 Splinter Cannon

Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Flickerfields (115)

Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Flickerfields (115)

Ravager - 3 Dark Lances, Flickerfields (115) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3652671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3652671.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3652698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3652698.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3653073.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3653073.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
zcantin wrote:Which wych weapon should I add to the squad also?


It depends on who you play usually, my friend who usually plays DE (and got first place in the last tournament, completely tabled 2 of his enemies in 5 turn) runs a list very similar to this and he uses both a shardnet and a hydra gauntlet pretty effectively in a 10 Wych squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3653107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3653107.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
My second choice would probably be the Razorflails purely because they're more reliable, but Hydras can be fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3654757.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3654757.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! But like he said, it depends on how you play, and your roll that you want your wyches to fill. Mine are a hardy mob most of the time, so hence the shardnet. A Killy counter attack unit should take razorflail or haydra gauntlet ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3654795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3654795.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
Hydra Gauntlets -
pro - Great against GEQ armies for the extra attacks and it can help some against MEQs.
con - You can roll a one making the upgrade worthless for a turn. They only really work well against big blobs and venoms can do the work just as easily and more effectively.

Shardnet and Impaler -
pro - Tarpits dreadnoughts with ease and really cramps PF wielders. Works amazingly well with bloodbrides and an archon with a clone field.
con - Smaller games you can't always afford the "tarpit" squad. Doesn't help the attack just the defense and DE are all about attacking not defending.

Razorflail -
pro - Best option for fighting MEQs. Adds a good deal of umph without taking away any edge such as rolling a one on the gauntlets and loosing points or a shardnet against marines while charging.
con - Can be overkill against some targets. Provides no benefit saftey net against walkers. Can't get any "extra" attacks

So all in all I sacrifice some of the randomness (that could be beneficial) and some of the defense against things like PF and walkers, for a more reliable hitting force. Picking and choosing where your wyches engage enemy squads/vehicles can be half the battle sometimes. Always play to your strength and avoid your weakness. Don't throw a squad with a hydra gauntlet or razroflail against an ironclad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3656728.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3656728.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3656926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3656926.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
If you get the re-roll to wound from combat drugs then the better half of your 10 point upgrade is wasted. If you get the +1S or WS drugs the effectiveness of the flails is reduced, the only time they are completely uneffected by Combat Drugs is if you get the pain token one (6) or the 3D6 run one (1). Combat Drugs can only improve (or do nothing to) the effectiveness of Shardnets and Hydras, but 2/3 of the time they kind of take the shine off the Razorflails.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659318.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659318.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! MEQ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659535.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659535.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
The point is that Wyches aren't really made for plowing into a 3+ save unit and expecting to wipe it in a turn, They get stuck in and grind them down over time.

Shardnets help you minimize the amount of damage that you take over all those turns and help keep wounds away from the Hekatrix.

In short, even if you have Flails or Hydras, they wont normally make a dramatic difference to your units overall killy-ness (unless you roll stupidly well with hydra gauntlets ). The 1st priority should be keeping that agoniser swinging, everything else is a side note. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3659589.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660054.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660054.page GMT Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
If I was you I'd just make 7 normal wyches, 1 agoniser/splinter pistol Hekatrix, a Shardnet/Impaler wych and a Razorflail Wych. As you're only ever running 9 whyches + the haemy you can simply not use the flail if needs be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660276.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660276.page GMT Re:Help with first Dark Eldar list (1k)!
Gorechild wrote:The only issue I have with Razorflails is that both of their bonuses (re-roll to hit and re-roll to wound) can also be provided by combat drugs.

If you get the re-roll to wound from combat drugs then the better half of your 10 point upgrade is wasted. If you get the +1S or WS drugs the effectiveness of the flails is reduced, the only time they are completely uneffected by Combat Drugs is if you get the pain token one (6) or the 3D6 run one (1). Combat Drugs can only improve (or do nothing to) the effectiveness of Shardnets and Hydras, but 2/3 of the time they kind of take the shine off the Razorflails.


What are you talking about??? You get reroll to wounds from drugs and thats it.

Nowhere does it say hits and wounds. So then you have a 1-6 chance of it affecting the flail and even then you retain rerolls to hit. +1 WS so I need 3s rerollable against marines uh ok how many times would a marine player love a reroll on that armor save? +1 S...so a 4+ rerollable against MEQs, again great combo not reduced effectiveness if anything you are getting more successful wounds. Extra attack, no effect. Free pain token, no effect. Roll 3 d 6 and pick one for running, no effect. So where do you get 2/3? It's a 1/6 they are reduced, and 2 of the remaining 5 options just end up with more wounds that you opponent has to try to save.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/415175/3660696.page GMT