<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/93.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help . I've got a humble objective for this tournament. Win one game!, then if I do that, win another, and etc.

Here is my army

Heroes:
Runesmith-Master Rune of Balance, Shield, Rune of Stone
Dragon Slayer

Core:
25 Warriors-Shields, Banner, Musician
25 Warriors-GW, Banner, Musician
12 Quarallers, Shields, Banner

Special:
Cannon-Rune of Forging, Rune of Burning
Cannon-Rune of Forging

Rare:
Organ Gun

His Dark Elf Army

Lords:
Level 4 Sorceress-Dispell Scroll

Heroes:
Master-Pegasus, Heavy Armour, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield, Halberd, Pendant Khaeleth

Core:
14 Spearmen-Musician, Standard
10 Crossbowmen
10 Crossbowmen
5 Harpies
5 Harpies

Special:
8 Shades

Rare:
War Hydra

Now I've never played a Dark Elf army before, only WoC, Beasts, Ogres, Wood Elves. And I would really like to do good on my 1st game for a good kick start. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

ParatrooperSimon


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Do you know what lore he is taking?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666492.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666499.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666499.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
The only concersn I would have is the harpys and shades your cannon will deal with the hydra and your core blocks are to big for him to shift.

Maybe try and use your dragon slayer to try and baby sit your warmachines place him behind them and out of LoS/range to his missile troops and wait for his harpys to show up and smash them when they do.

The biggest problem is that his shades can drop your dragon slayer in 1 turn of shooting so if they get in range to get a shot off you are dead.

Just practice deploying your models and remember the 1" rule with a bit of practice you can make those warmchines very hard to get at without loosing to much LoS.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666528.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help lol. But year, cheers for the tips guys. Anymore to come would be cool ;D]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3666644.page GMT Re:Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668018.page GMT Re:Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
He's sunk far too many points into his sorceress; he doesn't have the bodies to take best advantage of the Shadow buffs. He'll do some damage, even with a buff/debuff going (with Dwarf magic defense he's unlikely to get both off), then your Dwarves will smash him.

His one offenseive weapon - the Hydra - dies to the cannon. Just fire the RoB cannon first to negate his regen, then fire the second at it to finish the job. After that, I'd use the cannon strictly to protect the organ gun, to the point of actually moving them to block potential charges. Once the hydra goes away, there are no other good cannon targets left, except perhaps whatever unit the Sorceress is bunkering in. Don't bother firing cannon at the peggy master; cannonballs bounce off the Pendant of Khaeleth.

Personally, against DE, I'd take a second Runesmith with a spellbreaker and/or spelleater rune. The Slayer will not survive the massive shooting DE can put out, which means he isn't terribly useful, while DE magic can be devastating.

While deploying and maneuvering, be aware of what a Pit of Shades might do; don't let your units get lined up where the SS can take a Pit shot down a line of troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668032.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help .

The one thing about his Hydra is that. When he see's my cannon's. What I think will happen is that he will find the best piece of terrain there is on the current table. And just hide it until or if the cannon with rune of burning is destroyed. Which is good a reckon because it effectively takes that hydra out of the game ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668974.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668974.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help IMO. Your list will be a hard struggle for his and if you get first turn it is pretty much over for him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3668992.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
You should have his hydras no problem. The two cannons are probably overkill, since once the hydra is down, you don't have a lot of great targets.

Your deployment should hinge around trying to protect those war machines the best you can. You can't physically deploy blocks close enough to them to prevent a harpy charge if he sets it up right, but you can protect against shades and the peg rider. I'd place the dragonslayer in a position to counter charge harpies if they get into a war machine so you can clear them off. Another option is to run him out ahead in positions where they are likely to land, so he can chase them off before they even arrive (though this leaves him vulnerable to repeater fire).

You'll probably get his hydra if he doesn't hide it, but that won't hold the lead if he gets all your war machines. The harpies can be neutralized by a couple casualties courtesy of panic, if he gets too far away from his general (which he will if he's war machine hunting). This makes them worth shooting with crossbows early.

If you still have the crossbows late, try whittling down one of his small blocks to a size that will let you snipe his level 4 with cannons.

If you can get the peg rider in combat with your shield block, they are the ideal matchup, as they get the best chance to save, and bring static combat res.

Aaand, I think that about sums up what I can see in the matchup. Let us know how it goes!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3671647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3671647.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
Jubear wrote:I think you already have won the game.

I second this.

He has a very small amount of bodies, so you should be able to commit one unit of warriors to protecting your war machines from the shades, which will allow yuour cannons to take out his Master and Hydra. You should still have enough firepower and CC units to win any combats, provided your runelord does a good job of dispelling. You might want to take a rune of spellbreaking as back up though]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3671723.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3671723.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
The DE is showing up with scouts and 3 flying units. It's not that tough to have these units neutralize the dwarf warmachines. With the warmachines crippled, that hydra is going to raise hell.
The hydra is plenty fast to hide for 2 turns and only come out once it is "safe".

If he selects his peg master to be the general (which he can do, both his characters are Ld9), then the flying units don't even have to win, he could hold with a loss by 1 or 2 for a few rounds, let the hydra close range into melee.

Also, level 4 vs rune of balance isn't all peachy. Dice wise, it's about even, but with a +4 vs a +2 to cast, and having power of darkness, the dwarves might be in trouble. Pit of shades, or pendulum both will cause big problems.

If you can drop the hydra early, you're in good shape, but I think this is a battle that will be won or lost in the magic phase.

-Matt



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Though, I did blow one of my cannons on the 1st turn of my 1st BLOODY GAME!... lol all good

I unfortunately could not get any batreps or pictures which makes me sad. But I think the Vermin Tide went well for my first tournament. Top 10! No wooden Spoon for me (WoC)

1st-Dark Elves
2nd-Empire
3rd-Beasts
4th-Warriors of Chaos
5th-High Elves
6th-Not Sure
7th-Dwarfs
8th-Warriors of Chaos
9th-Dwarfs(Me!)
10th-Skaven
11th-Lizardmen
12th-Vampires
13th-Orgers
14th-Warriors of Chaos]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3672763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3672763.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3673405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3673405.page GMT Dwarfs vs Dark Elves! Need Help
Without anything to kill the Hydra it seemed like the end was NI! I did get the best game against him then anyone else though (13-7) while the rest of his games where 15-5, 20-0, or 17-3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3675164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/416144/3675164.page GMT