Deadshot wrote:First off, my thanks goes to motyak for his/her (I belive motyak is a he) contribution and support. Anyone who saw the original thread will have seen that there is a lot of negative comments, and any who made those comment will remember how bad they were! lol.

So, having got a GK codex, and having a proper look at fluff and background, I have decided to start fresh.

So, as it is the middle of the night, and I have an English Lit. Exam tomorrow orning, I will only give a fluff overview for a general sense.


Basically, she entered into the Eversor Temple, and was the test subject of a new strain of Frenzon, designed to induct the berserk strength and power of traditional Frenzon, but allow the consumer to still maintain control, and most importantly, live longer, without having to be contained to stasis. She was giving a lifetime supply, lifetime being 70yrs, as this expieriment need substantial research. The factory planet was attacked and ransacked by orks, so the research lost, so Elva was the only user of the test drug, which is highly adictive and she will not share.

She left and met up with some rogue Assassins, and learned and mastered their skills, except Culexus.

However, that was quickly sorted out, when a Daemon stole her soul and now she is a blank, soless. Sher wanders the alaxy alone, her tutors, now students, for she has far surpassed them, are long dead, searching for a way to the Daemon. She doesn't want her soul back.She likes being awesome. She fights for the Imperium after doing some awesome stuff, and being elected Grand Master Assassin by each Temple Master.



Rles

Elva Kuran

WS 9
BS 9
S 4
T 4
W 2
I 8
A 4
Ld 10
Sv 4+

Wargear
Frag Grenades
Synskin


In additon, Elva has any 2 of the following for free. Each item may only be taken once. She cannot have Frenzons. She may purchase additional items at a price of 15pts per item.

C'tan Phase Swod
Neural Shredder
Polymorphine
Etherium
Animus Speculum
Psyocculum
Neuro Gauntlet (Lightning Claw)
Executioner Pistol
Frenzon
Eitus Rifle*
Exitus Pistol*

*Exitus weapons come with all types of ammo.



She may purchase any greandes below for +5pts

Psykout Grenades
Bling Grenades
Melta bombs


Special Rules
Fleet
Fearles
Move Through Cover
Lightning Reactions
Elva has a 4++ save against shooting attacks and a 3++ against close combat attacks.


In addition, she may have up to 2 special rules from these for free, and may purchase additional rules for +15pts per rule

Hit & Run
Stealth
Furious Charge
Deadshot
Eternal Warrior ( To represent her with no soul)


These options allow her to be customised, and show her atking different wargear and items, and acting differently dpependant on enemy and circumstance. She has slight stat buffs, such as +1 WS and BS, to represent her elite assassin staus, and +1 Int, to show the refined Frenzon, as well as heightened reactions, resulting in a CC 3++. I as hoping these options would prevent people from simply taking a slightly better vindicare with a regualr one.

Deadshot wrote:Anyone who saw the original thread will have seen that there is a lot of negative comments, and any who made those comment will remember how bad they were! lol.

IcyCool wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Anyone who saw the original thread will have seen that there is a lot of negative comments, and any who made those comment will remember how bad they were! lol.

I'm assuming you are referring to anything other than "I like it!" as negative feedback? You claimed otherwise in the other thread, which was full of legit criticism of both your fluff and your rules.

Yes, there were legit comments, but there was also comments like "It doesn't work like that" or "This is wrong".

If they were to point out a legit source for their comments of "This is wrong", then fair enough, but I don't believe they did.

Deadshot wrote:So, having got a GK codex, and having a proper look at fluff and background, I have decided to start fresh.

I don't think you have started fresh. It's still a Mary Sue assassin based off of a poor understanding of or willful disregard for the fluff. And you still have nothing to show for it except a character who gets to cherry-pick all the assassin abilities. How is this "fresh"? The only real difference I see is that now you've tried to let her take individual abilities at various costs rather than giving them all to her.


Yes, so people don't pay for everything, and can choose what they want. And how do I not understand the fluff?

Deadshot wrote:Basically, she entered into the Eversor Temple, and was the test subject of a new strain of Frenzon, designed to induct the berserk strength and power of traditional Frenzon, but allow the consumer to still maintain control, and most importantly, live longer, without having to be contained to stasis. She was giving a lifetime supply, lifetime being 70yrs, as this expieriment need substantial research. The factory planet was attacked and ransacked by orks, so the research lost, so Elva was the only user of the test drug, which is highly adictive and she will not share.

The Officio Assassinorum doesn't simply release their assassins into the wild. They always have a measure of control over their creations. Why would they supply her with 70 years worth of a highly experimental version of this combat drug and then just let her go?

I did not make this clear enough, my bad. basically, she was given the supply, and told to go back to "normal" assassin life, but use the new Frenzon rather than the old one. Planet is attacked and destroyed. SDhe survives and goes solo, still under control of the Inquisition and Officio Assassinorum.

Deadshot wrote:She left and met up with some rogue Assassins, and learned and mastered their skills, except Culexus.

Rogue assassins? How? Also, you seem to have abandoned all hope of her being an Imperial character anymore, so which force is she supposed to be selectable by, Chaos Space Marines?

Radical Inquisitors are about the only "loyal" (term used loosely) Imperial faction that might consider utilizing her.

Rogue Assassins? How? They loose contact with the Imperium, get lost, or are simply sick of being told what to do, so leave and kill who they decide who is the biggest threat. And of coarse I mean Radical Inquisitors. They would do anything. Stuff like [color=red]++Removed by Inquisition. Stand by for Termination via Jeruselem Class Virus Bombs.++

Deadshot wrote:However, that was quickly sorted out, when a Daemon stole her soul and now she is a blank, soless. Sher wanders the alaxy alone, her tutors, now students, for she has far surpassed them, are long dead, searching for a way to the Daemon. She doesn't want her soul back.She likes being awesome. She fights for the Imperium after doing some awesome stuff, and being elected Grand Master Assassin by each Temple Master.

The Grand Master of Assassins is not a combat position, it is a bureaucratic one.

Where did you find this? Source please?


And why exactly would the loyal Officio Assassinorum "elect" a daemon-touched renegade (whom they have no control over) to any sort of position of power or honor? Also, unless things have drastically changed, daemons can't create Blanks (the Exorcists aren't Blanks, they are "possession resistant"). Blanks are the terrifying boogeymen of psykers and daemons.

Excorcists arn't blanks because the Daemon doesn't take a soul. The possess, and are banished. This Daemon, stole the asassins soul.

Gk Codex wrote:

Culexus Assassins are to all intents and purposes, souless.

Also, I never said they have no control. I said she learned from rogues, but that doesn't mean she isn't controllable. Why wouldn't they elect the most skilled and flexible assassin they have, who can be any of the 4 temples, to Master assassin?

The character rules are what they have always been, a mish-mash of all 4 assassins in the Grey Knight codex. Except now you can pick and choose certain abilities. I am of the opinion that this is not a good thing.

You cann pick and choose to make the price manageable, and keep things you don't want, out.

I really don't understand why you feel that a "master assassin" must have the abilities of all four temples?

Because if I just pick 1 temple, that would mean I would need to do one for all temples, resulting in siply a powered up Assassin of each type. And people would just take the better Vindicare, and take a regular one, so they now have ~2.5 Vindicares.

IcyCool wrote:
So then avoid what you are doing. I mentioned it in the last thread, and I'll mention it here. If you want a unique, super-powered assassin, why not make it a Death Cult assassin that is on par with an Assassin of the Officio. Her independence would make sense, she wouldn't be under the thumb of the Officio (because Death Cultists are technically part of the Ecclesiarchy), she could actually have at least some of the power and respect you seem keen to give her (as a Master of a massive Death Cult, or an actual member of the Ecclesiarchy), and you wouldn't have to try and invent ridiculous reasons for her to have all the Officio assassin abilities. You would, however, have to actually design unique rules for her.

@Ratius

Can't imprison what you can't touch. Grey Knights are likely taking anurism when they realise who they've been told who to kill/capture.

And besides, there are other things daemonic that are allowed. Daemonhosts forone. Maybe she got Inquisitorial sanction? The fluff was written in the middle of the night. Things can happen that even the author doesn't know about.