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I'm hoping to start up my third Army this year. I already have 2250pts of Tau and 2500pts of Wood Elves. Wanted to get back to 40k though as I'm tiring of building Elves.

So I'm starting up my long on the cards Astartes Army.

I'm posting two lists, both 2500pts and would like your opinions on both as I am undecided as which will serve me better.

A few things to bear in mind about the Dinoguard:
They are a daughter Chapter of the Salamanders, so lots of flamers and meltas a must.
I don't like Plasma Weapons if they're not Tau.
They (meaning me) are not fond of Speeders, Whirlinds and Vindicators.
There signature CCW is the Lightning Claw.

One last thing, I'd prefer it if the Troops section didn't change too much but the rest is open for tweaking.

List 1:

Dinoguard Strikeforce

HQ:
Captain:
Terminator Armour + Lightning Claw
145pts

Chaplain:
Storm Bolter
103pts

Elites:
Sternguard:
CS - Sergeant wiv LtClw + Storm Bolter, 3 StrmBs + MG
CS - 4 StrmBs + HF
320pts

Terminator Squad:
Sergeant
4 Trmntrs - AC
230pts

Dreadnought:
AsltC, HFlmr + ExA
140pts

Troops:
Scout Squad:
Sergeant - SnpR + CamC
4 Scouts - 3 SRs, ML + CamCs
100pts

Scout Squad:
Sergeant - SnpR + CamC
4 Scouts - 3 SRs, ML + CamCs
100pts

Tac Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv StrmB, 3 x Bltrs + Flmr
CS - 4 Bltrs + HB
180pts

Tac Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv StrmB, 3 x Bltrs + Flmr
CS - 4 Bltrs + HB
180pts

Tac Sqaud:
Sergeant wiv StrmB
4 x Bltrs
100pts

Fast Attack:
Aslt Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv LtClw, 3 BPs + Flmr
CS - 4 BPs + Flmr
225pts

Aslt Sqaud:
Sergeant wiv LtClw
3 BPs + Flmr
125pts

Scout Bike Squad:
Srg wiv Locator Beacon + 2 Bikers
95pts

Heavy Support:
Dev Squad:
Sergeant - StrmB
2 MLs + 2 MMs
160pts

Dev Squad:
Sergeant - StrmB
2 MLs + 2 MMs
160pts

Predator:
HB Spons, DBld + Ex
105pts


Total is 2468pts.
Not sure what to change or add.



List 2:

Dinoguard Strikeforce

HQ:
Captain:
Artificier Armour, Relic Blade + StormB
148pts

Librarian:
Storm Bolter
103pts

Elites:
Sternguard:
Sergeant wiv LtClw + StormB
2 StrmBs, MG + HF
170pts

Terminator Squad:
CS – Sergeant, 3 StrmBs + HF
CS - 4 StormBs + AC
435pts

Ironclad Dreadnought:
MG + HF
140pts

Troops:
Scout Squad:
Sergeant - SnpR + CamC
4 Scouts - 3 SRs, ML + CamCs
100pts

Scout Squad:
Sergeant - SnpR + CamC
4 Scouts - 3 SRs, ML + CamCs
100pts

Tac Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv StrmB, 3 x Bltrs + Flmr
CS - 4 Bltrs + HB
180pts

Tac Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv StrmB, 3 x Bltrs + Flmr
CS - 4 Bltrs + HB
180pts

Tac Sqaud:
Sergeant wiv StrmB
4 x Bltrs
100pts

Fast Attack:
Aslt Sqaud:
CS - Sergeant wiv LtClw, 3 BPs + Flmr
CS - 4 BPs + Flmr
225pts

Vanguard:
Sergeant wiv LtClw + 4 Vets, all 5 have JumpPs
175pts

Scout Bike Squad:
Srg wiv Locator Beacon + 2 Bikers
95pts

Heavy Support:
Dev Squad:
Sergeant - StrmB
2 MLs + 2 MMs
160pts

Predator:
HB Spons, DBld + Ex
105pts


Total is 2421pts.
Not sure what to change or add.


I know I have a great lack of vehicles but I dont like Transport vehicles unless, like IMO with DE, they are essential.
I also like Land Raiders but not sure how to include one or if it would be worth it.

All help appreciated.




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This is the second Army List Topic I've posted and no-one is replying to this one either.

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Why 2500 points? Are you planning on taking this to ArdBoyz, or is this a common point level played at your locale?

How competitive do you want the list? Fluffy? Competitive within the bounds you've set for your fluff? Or flat-out competitive?

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I would like it reasonablly competitive but still in keeping with the pointers I stated.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815564.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815564.page GMT HQ slot as sternguard then become scoring which is good for opponent's objectives as you scouts will be sitting back I presume.

At 2,500 pts I would always take a librarian in my other HQ slot. If you do insist on a chappie then give him a jumppack so he can go with the assualt marines.

Prefer preds to devastators in my HS slots. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815600.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815600.page GMT FOC]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/424339/3815621.page GMT