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				<description><![CDATA[ My list I'm prepping for a tourney in March.<br /> <br /> Slaughter Master - 315<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 4, Lore Great Maw, 5+ Talisman<br /> <br /> Bruiser - 179<br /> -<span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>, Armor Fortune, Iron Fist<br /> <br /> 11x Ironguts - 518<br /> -Command, Look Out Gnoblar, Flamming Banner<br /> <br /> 4x Ogres - 138<br /> -Musician, Iron Fists<br /> <br /> 4x Mournfang - 310<br /> -Ironfists, Dragon Hide Banner<br /> <br /> Gorger - 90<br /> <br /> 5x Maneaters - 330<br /> -Brace Pistols, Heavy A., Sniper, Stubborn<br /> <br /> 1x Sabretusk - 21<br /> <br /> Iron Blaster - 170<br /> <br /> Iron Blaster - 170<br /> <br /> Stonehorn - 250<br /> <br /> Total - 2491<br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> rides with the Ogres as support who spends most casting on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> unit housing the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>. Maneaters line up against cavalry or character units to snipe pot shots at characters. I've had very good luck with this and most players don't see this coming, let alone all the attacks they'll get at Strength 5 once in combat and Stubborn on an 8. Gorger ambushes to war machine hunt or where I need to put pressure (outstanding for 90 points). Ironblasters typically on flanks ready to shoot down enemy war machines, monsters, nasties, and support charge. Stonehorn lines up with <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(69);'>IG</span> unit or Maneater unit, depending on enemy deployment and units. I like to throw this guy down last since he <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(186);'>def</span> needs to go up against something you KNOW he'll manhandle. I've had a lot of luck and fortune with the Stonehorn versus the Thundertusk. Sabretusk to flesh out to 2500 and stalk lone characters or war machines. Mournfang get down and dirty with enemy nasty units, usually support charged by one of the Iron Blasters (I like to reserve one and get aggressive with another).<br /> <br /> Overall I've had pretty good success with this list but I've come close to losing with so few ogres, even with success in the magic department.<br /> <br /> I know I'll be facing two veteran <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(138);'>VC</span> players, one ogre player, and can expect an Empire cheese list and High Elf Teclis list (not looking forward to this game...) and possibly a nasty Skaven/Furnace list. Its either this or get started on my Tzeentch <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(385);'>WoC</span> army.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:52:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ bd1085]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 Ogres - Tourney</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ The Ogre unit is too small, you only have 1 Sabretusk(you mad?), a single gorger won't do much, and you don't have the Crown of Command on your <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span>.<br /> <br /> i'd drop the Maneaters and Gorger to beef up the Bulls to 6 strong and get a 2nd unit of 6. Extra points can get you the Crown of Command on the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(119);'>SM</span> and maybe some magic armor.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:07:20]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Grey Templar]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ By all means run your general in a unit that does not give <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(85);'>LOS</span>.  That is my first thought as I run tri cannon in tournaments.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:28:09]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Johnny-Crass]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I've tried the sniper maneaters a few times.  What I noticed was it is too little payback for what you get.<br /> I still like the brace, as it lets you shoot and stroll.<br /> But I like scout and stubborn, with the gleaming pendant more.<br /> <br /> 5 wide, I toss out 25 S5 attacks in combat.  Ignore me and I dish out 10 S4 <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(6);'>AP</span> shots as I close in on your flanks.<br /> Charge me?  Sure, free stand and shoot (quick to fire) and I'm stubborn, so I don't mind that +1 combat res you get.<br /> It makes for a very tactical man eater unit.  I found it much better than giving up half my hits to try and snipe some wizard.<br /> <br /> Besides, ogres already  have the best wizard snipe of all (hellheart).<br /> <br /> -Matt]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:00:45]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HawaiiMatt]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 Ogres - Tourney</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Sniping isn't about killing their point value in models(they rarely will), but its more about them removing critical points from the enemy army. If my enemy has a 300 point Death Mage, I will gladly remove him for 400ish points of my army. I don't win the point exchange, but I do win tactically as that Death mage could obliterate my entire army with a single spell.<br /> <br /> Or I could remove a <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span> or something else squishy.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:14:18]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Grey Templar]]></author>
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				<title>Re:2500 Ogres - Tourney</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the input amigos.<br /> <br /> @ Grey Templar: I'm reworking this list completely. I got my a$$ handed to me by some nasty Chaos lists and I'm cursing myself because...well...I didn't take enough Ogres.  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> @ Johnny-Crass: Yeah <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(186);'>def</span>. slipped and forgot that 5x model requirement. New list has it fixed. Also to your tri-cannon...what point limit are you typically playing?<br /> <br /> @ HawaiiMatt: You hit the nail on the head for tactical flexibility with the Maneater unit. If the situation is explicit and dire enough, I'd roll the dice (pun intended) to detonate on one unlucky caster. What I really like are all the strengths you just said, and busting in 25 S5 attacks is out-freakin-standing for such a versatile unit is $$$. <br /> <br /> Revised list:<br /> <br /> Slaughter Master: 315<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 4, 5++, LoGM<br /> <br /> Firebelly: 174<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(347);'>lvl</span> 1, 4++, Great Wpn<br /> <br /> Brusier: 175<br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(174);'>BSB</span>, Armor Fortune<br /> <br /> 8x Ogres: 281<br /> Ironfists, Musician, Std. w/ LoG<br /> <br /> 15x Iron Guts: 680<br /> Command, LoG<br /> <br /> 4x Mournfang: 280<br /> Ironfists, Heavy Armor<br /> <br /> Stonehorn: 250<br /> <br /> Iron Blaster: 170<br /> <br /> Iron Blaster: 170<br /> <br /> TOTAL: 2495<br /> <br /> Thoughts? <br /> <br /> Maneaters were just too much of a point sink and often getting tarpitted, pimp slapped, or shot to death before they could serve their purpose so I opted for more wounds in with just Bulls.<br /> <br /> I've seen a friend run with great effect with his Firebelly and I've been wanting to put one in. What's your typical kit for a Firebelly? Also, how're you typically working the Hell Heart? at such a short to moderate range, I'm skeptical I can work it to optimal effect just yet.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 9 Feb 2012 03:16:48]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ bd1085]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I run 2 fire bellies.<br /> One with great weapon and hell heart, the other with flying carpet and great weapon.<br /> Both are level 1.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:54:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HawaiiMatt]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Looks much better <img src="/s/i/a/5d13fa41280d6fdef786d41bc175d3f6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:01:28]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Grey Templar]]></author>
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