http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/27.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net WM. One of us just bought the Khador half of the starter set. He desperately wants to use Karchev (not sure if that's the right guy...the caster who's also a jack), and he's kind of struggling with it. He wants to go jack-heavy. He likes the Spriggan and Kodiak (but is thinking of dropping the Kodiak because it hasn't worked out for him yet...dang undead).

At any rate, what models/units can I use to tempt him away from just trying to build straight out of the tier list?


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For units, I'd suggest widowmakers, winterguard (with officer and gregorivich) or kayazy.

While pretty typical first picks, it makes a lot of sense why: they're all autonomous. This means karchev's lack of support isn't a problem. Also, all excel at anti-infantry, meaning they cover the area Karchev has the worst problems with.

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For warjacks, I usually take Spriggans, Beast-09, and a Marauder for movement shenanigans. Reach warjacks are excellent choices for Karchev, and a minimum of 2 attacks is a must to get the most out of Unearthly Rage. Beast-09 is especially nice, as UR'd Thresher under Murderous will hit damn near anything, and will crit more often than not. Not strictly necessary, of course, as you're probably making 2 to 3 POW 19 attacks at your target, but there's no kill like overkill. The Marauder works rather nicely, as it's not only one of our cheapest warjacks, but it can choose between a pair of POW 16 rams or the highest power melee attack in our arsenal. Over all, a very focus-efficient choice and a great tech piece.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3859187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3859187.page GMT

I started off expanding my khador with a handful of casters and some basic units, and worked my way up from there to *all* the casters and most of the units and mercenaries. i can comfortably field a huge variety of red machine 'o' doom. Its still a work in progress though.

Tier lists? Meh. Only one tier list interests me. And that is one that i have gone all out with. epic butcher, and doom reaver spam. 2 reasons. epic butcher is my favourite caster, and doom reavers are what got me into the game. So yeah. i can take it to 25pts right now, and 35 with a bit of a stretch. I plan on taking it to 50pts. So if you see a guy with a jack, eButcher, fenris, wardog, yuri, and 48 doom reavers, thatll be me.

again, its not all that competitive (it has serious match up issues) but damn it, its fun to play. beyond the epic coolness of eButchers doom reaver spam list, the tier lists dont grab me. you dont "need" them. just go with what you fancy. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3862059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3862059.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3867063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/426855/3867063.page GMT