<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "GW, will they get annoyed?"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GW, will they get annoyed? I recently got a Lufgt Huron model, and being the stingy guy i am, printed off his rules from the web, instead of getting the Imperial Armour book. If i took this piece of paper in to GW, as well as my SM codex, would they get annoyed? Or worse? Do they expect me to get the IA book?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868401.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868417.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? IA book, so there legit. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868431.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868431.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
However, in spirit of the game, you should purchase the book if you want to use the rules. I mean support the game company who makes them at least...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868452.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? Lol, nice.
But in that case, yeah expect to be told to buy the book if you’re playing in a GW store.
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*Your store regulars may vary - but I still wouldn't bring an IA book into a GW store for games. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868675.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868675.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868721.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3868801.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? There are one or two pages of PDFs in there, because, really, I'm not going to buy a 80 bucks book for a single entry. Did that once and regretted it ever since.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3869494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3869494.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
Why not buy a copy of the book with a bunch of friends that you play with and then share it at the store? You could always 'go without' if the value of the product doesn't meet the cost for you.

If I know something is 'wrong' enough and is a crime where I need to lie to people about it, there is an issue. There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3869511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3869511.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870251.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870281.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
This said, I'm thinking about getting an iPad or something just for game book .pdf's. So convenient.
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Norn King wrote:I know I know, its pretty low, but i am not going to spend around 80 bucks for one guy

There's a very obvious solution there then that doesn't involve lying to people or copying rules from books that you haven't bought...

He's not an essential part of the game. If you're not prepared to buy the rules needed to use him, then don't use him. Problem solved, and personal integrity intact.


The fact that so many people are so ready to lie about inconsequential things depresses me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870744.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870744.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? IA book will come up on ebay cheaply or something. I'll get it then. If not, ill just use him for private games.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870809.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
nkelsch wrote:There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Copyright infringement is not "stealing".

Please stop repeating this lie as if it were fact. Words have meanings. A chihuahua is not a rottweiler even though they have some superficial similarities. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3870851.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871009.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
Vampirate of Sartosa wrote:I rather think that the fact that they wrote the rules up on the internet negate their right to prevent you from using the internet copy.

He's not wanting to use the freely-available internet copy. He wants to use the ones from the published IA book. They are (apparently) different rules, different point values, etc.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871026.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871026.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed? IA11, rather than experimental rules.... right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871030.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871030.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
Ouze wrote:
nkelsch wrote:There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Copyright infringement is not "stealing".

Please stop repeating this lie as if it were fact. Words have meanings. A chihuahua is not a rottweiler even though they have some superficial similarities.


So lying about breaking the law is fine... as long as it isn't 'theft'. Self-serving moral justifications to break the law are still self-serving moral justifications to break the law.

Copyright infringement may not be legal 'theft' doesn't mean a whole lot of people don't consider it stealing... And they have every right to. Besides, who cares what someone who lies about breaking the law to save 80$ thinks? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871184.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? GW has a few of the IAs available for players to peruse, so maybe yours does as well?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871214.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
nkelsch wrote:
Ouze wrote:
nkelsch wrote:There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Copyright infringement is not "stealing".

Please stop repeating this lie as if it were fact. Words have meanings. A chihuahua is not a rottweiler even though they have some superficial similarities.
Copyright infringement may not be legal 'theft' doesn't mean a whole lot of people don't consider it stealing... And they have every right to.

No they don't, because it's not.

Talk to a lawyer. Or anyone who is reasonably smart on the internet.

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nkelsch wrote:
Ouze wrote:
nkelsch wrote:There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Copyright infringement is not "stealing".

Please stop repeating this lie as if it were fact. Words have meanings. A chihuahua is not a rottweiler even though they have some superficial similarities.


So lying about breaking the law is fine... as long as it isn't 'theft'. Self-serving moral justifications to break the law are still self-serving moral justifications to break the law.


Hey, guess who has two thumbs and didn't actually say what you're pretending I said? This Guy!

If you want to move the goalposts to "is it morally justified to lie about owning a book so you can use an army man in a store under false pretenses", then I'd agree, no. By definition, I think, if you feel you have to lie about something, you generally know already you shouldn't have done it. But that's not what my post was about, had you troubled to read it, I simply corrected the oft-repeated and untrue meme that copyright infringement is the same as stealing. It's not, either legally or rationally.

In any event, I guess now this sort of begs the question - Did FW ever publish experimental rules for this model? Cause that would be actually sort of a different situation. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871315.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871315.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
Ouze wrote:
nkelsch wrote:There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Copyright infringement is not "stealing".

Please stop repeating this lie as if it were fact. Words have meanings. A chihuahua is not a rottweiler even though they have some superficial similarities.


I can't agree more.

Personally (from the perspective of someone who is in a creative field and could suffer from copyright infringement), I feel that, unless you're profiting off of it (i.e. selling something that the copyright owner would have profited off of without your encroaching on their IP), it really isn't stealing.

If you don't like the material, delete it (and if you don't want to, you probably like it). If you do like it, eventually buy it, so whoever made it can make more stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871324.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? GW is a minatures company so go for it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871360.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
Can't say for anyone else but I use forgeworld print outs and they say its fine at the GW, they also have GW copies of all the books available for players to reference if there's an issue you COULD just use the rules you have on you to plan your army and per say, ask to see or reference there book when you need it? granted thats if they stock it]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871367.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed? GW be mad at you for using something you didn't pay them heaps of cash for?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871396.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871396.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed?
Great White wrote:No, why would GW be mad at you for using something you didn't pay them heaps of cash for?


can I please quote this? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871434.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed?
Marine_With_Heart wrote:
Great White wrote:No, why would GW be mad at you for using something you didn't pay them heaps of cash for?


can I please quote this?


Yes you may]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3871441.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? IA 10 and put that page on a word doc. and printed it. I'm not sure what this adds to this thread, but maybe it will clear some things up. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872522.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872522.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
and this is not raising flags?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872539.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? FAQ:
"What types of items are not allowed on Scribd?

You may not upload content for which you do not have the necessary legal permission. Always be aware of a document's copyright status. You may be held responsible for copyright violations.

So, you can upload stuff. But Scribd actively searches for and deletes stuff like this.
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They even tell you they are deleting it.

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One could argue that the printing of rules isn't really an issue, but I would say that if you haven't got the requisite rulebook, you shouldn't use the rules.

However, have a chat with the GW staff there, and your other players to see if they'd be willing to let you use the extra rules.
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My argument is if i have to buy the book why shouldnt u?

But thats just me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3872793.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
brainscan wrote:Personally I wouldnt play against someone who doesnt have a codex / IA book for the character / army they are playing.

My argument is if i have to buy the book why shouldnt u?

But thats just me.




In your circle of influence on where you play you generally know the people who are on the slimy aspect of life.

Most people carry codexes. Some people who purchase their codexes, which I have seen and have no problems with, are PDF'ing their material into their tablets/net books.

People who pirate are going to pirate, luckily the majority of players that that I know of (and believe that most players that play this game) are basically honest in this aspect. The people that I know that are rendering their codexes into PDF.s are doing this for the sake carrying less stuff in a game. They still bought the coedxes and are making their lives a little easier for themselves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3876238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3876238.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? Normally in GW stores the staff will dislike it BUT as some above just say you have it home and theres no point of carrying around just for one guy. peace]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3876617.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3876617.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed?
nkelsch wrote:If I know something is 'wrong' enough and is a crime where I need to lie to people about it, there is an issue. There are more important things in life than needing to lie about stealing publications...


Crime.... cute.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3886881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3886881.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3886976.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3886976.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? your basement, I'd say support the company and buy the book.
Otherwise, proxy him as something else.

If you intend on going to an organized event, definitely buy the
book. Even second hand, you're at least giving money to
someone who has or who will support a company that creates
material that you enjoy. Why wouldn't you give them the money?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887081.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? GW tournament this weekend and there were a few players who were using FW models and list builds. They were required to own and bring the appropriate rule book to the store for the event. If they had the book, no questions were asked. They will likely raise a stink if you bring in a printed sheet claiming that you own it, etc. They may also request that you prove ownership. Bottom line, at least at a GW, no FW book, no FW model allowed.

It's clear that some people are going to try and derail this thread into a discussion about copyright law, etc. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887099.page GMT Re:GW, will they get annoyed? http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887133.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/427398/3887133.page GMT GW, will they get annoyed? FW supplement book.

The funny thing is that most FW books tend to get PDF errata when there are edition and codex changes. It’s entirely possible to get a legit PDF version of a unit.
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