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				<description><![CDATA[ Many a moon ago (2006) I wanted to run an elite ork list. Back in those days you couldn't have meganobs as troops, but a retinue for a Warboss, which at the time you could only have one of.<br /> I ran a proto-deffwing, with 2nd Ed. meganobs as <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/ardboys3.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">'ard boys</a> (with power weapons for burnas), flash gits as troops (Bad Moon list from Chapter Approved) and my single meganob mob.<br /> <br /> The 2nd Ed. models looked to me to be a little on the heavy side, not quite a 4+ save. A terrible idea was thus hatched. <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/gkorks1.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Converting</a> <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/gkorks4.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">them</a> <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/100_01721.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">up</a>, I purchased a copy of the Daemon Hunters codex. Single wound 'nobs' were a bit naff though...<br /> <br /> Anyway, two years later the current Ork Codex was released and I could stop mucking about with 'grey knights' and could take a 'true' DeffWing, with nothing but two wound, stompy, battle wagon-bound proppa orks. Even if the kustom jobs, upgrades and things meganobs could take were gone...<br /> <br /> 3 more years and the Dark Corners of My Mind spew forth a new desecration, for in this new incarnation I saw potential for a tooled up, over equiped, Bad Moonish, elite force of nob-like units allowed as troops by a Gazzy stat-lined nutter.<br /> <br /> It whispers to me, and it's vile promises are hard to resist.<br /> <br /> So, would this - given some self imposed restrictions - ever be OK, or would it forever be seen as shallow unjustifyable bandwagoning?<br /> <br /> Restrictions I would set for myself:<br /> <br /> No grenades - Just no, completely out of the question.<br /> No Halberds - Just unfluffy. Probably go with Falchions for the same number of attacks as nobs.<br /> Hammerhand only - No Force Weapon shenanegans. Probably no other powers either.<br /> No Banner -  See above.<br /> No Apothecary - Don't care if you could try to pass him off as a Painboy in mega armour, not happening.<br /> <a href="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/Picture201.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Land Raiders only</a> - No Storm Ravens.<br /> No Dreadknights, Dreadnoughts, Inquisitors/Henchmen, Power Armour, Librarians, Techmarines and the like.<br /> <br /> Or shall I suck it up until  the next codex (Ha!) and continue with my current army that despite what most people I play against think, is largely unviable?]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Dribble Joy]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Acceptable or a horrid violation of all that is just and a betrayal of where I am now?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ So you're making an Ork army that "counts as" Grey Knights?<br /> <br /> No Dread Knight? Or Deffdreadnite?<br /> <br /> I think it sounds fine but I thought all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GKs</span> had grenades already.]]></description>
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				<title>Re:Acceptable or a horrid violation of all that is just and a betrayal of where I am now?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ As long as it is all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(150);'>WYSIWYG</span>, I don't think it will be a problem.<br /> <br /> Your orks (which you should post pictures of in the actual thread) are pretty severely converted and already look like ork marines.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:28:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't see the problem with the Deffwing as is.  One thing I would look at - seeing you don't have access to painboyz or banner with the orks.<br /> <br /> Grishnak - attached to one unit of meganobz giving them <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> and Cybork bodies.<br /> <br /> That of course means one troop choice that will not be nobz... how about a cowering unit of grots?  Cheap, plant the flag your opponent should ignore it all game.<br /> <br /> Led by Ghazi it should do the trick.  2 wound 2+/5++ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> orks with a 14" waagh range coming out of a red paint job battlewagon....  Sounds good.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:28:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ DAaddict]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ultimately, it's your hobby. <br /> No matter what other people might think, you can do what you please with it.<br /> Besides, considering the effort you seem to be putting into the models, it seems more like a genuinely fluffy idea to me, so I say go for it.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:29:59]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Gorskar.da.Lost]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Acceptable or a horrid violation of all that is just and a betrayal of where I am now?</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>DeffDred wrote:</cite>I think it sounds fine but I thought all <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(305);'>GKs</span> had grenades already.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I mean the daft stuff like Rad, Psychotrope and Psych-out.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>DAaddict wrote:</cite>I don't see the problem with the Deffwing as is.  One thing I would look at - seeing you don't have access to painboyz or banner with the orks.<br /> <br /> Grishnak - attached to one unit of meganobz giving them <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(265);'>FNP</span> and Cybork bodies.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It's Grotsnik, and yes, I have considered taking him (and have done several times) .<br /> The problem is that you loose any any all control over the unit he's attached to, even when transported.<br /> <br /> I have been working on a Bad Moon list with the guys over at <a href="http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Da Waaagh!</a> (shameless plug) as part of our Klanz Projekt, but you know how people are with fan based rules, even if you have been working on them for years.<br /> <br /> Piccies:<br /> <br /> <img src="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/Picture266.jpg" border="0" /><br /> <br /> <img src="http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j223/Muffdemon/nuggruzcmon.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Tue, 7 Feb 2012 23:50:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Dribble Joy]]></author>
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