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I am currently building a Command Squand with 4 Melta, 3 Vet Squads with 3 Melta each, 4 Chimera (Multi Laser and Heavy Flamer), and 3 Vendetta.

Is this good or bad, and what can I do with it to combat Orks and BA Razorback spam?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895442.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies IG. However, I notice that you don't have much in the way of dealing with hordes, as Orkz are wont to do. Sure you got H.Flamers on the Chimera, and that is rock on great. However, maybe take out a Vendetta and shave some points elsewhere to get a LR Battletank or some other long range, dual purpose platform would be swell. And what you have is 'A-OK' for dealing with BA Razorback spam. But, a LRBT wouldn't hurt there either. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895733.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
Dr.Dakka wrote:If I have 35 infantry, 4 chimeras, and 3 vendettas, is this competitive at 1000 points?

I am currently building a Command Squand with 4 Melta, 3 Vet Squads with 3 Melta each, 4 Chimera (Multi Laser and Heavy Flamer), and 3 Vendetta.

Is this good or bad, and what can I do with it to combat Orks and BA Razorback spam?


I'd say solid start. You can mix them up a little and do different things.
I'd say at least double your troops. Gives you option to add platoons or
more Vets. Then as mentioned, a LRBT, a Manticore, buying/converting
some Hydras. As you get over 1k, I'd get 2-4 more Chimera if you decide
to go with a Mech IG list.

Good luck!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3895816.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
As for troops I think 3 seems like a lot at 1000. I have seen a few lists with 3, but most guys seem to use 2 at the most and go for more killy units.

My real question is on how to use Vendettas. I mean they don't ever really benefit from cover, they can move really fast, and they have a lot of guns. I am not used to fielding a model like this, and this seems a little out of my comfort zone. I am afraid I will lose them first turn to a Long Fang squad or Lootas and waist their points.

How should I field them? How do you guys feel about keeping them in reserve?

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Dr.Dakka wrote:Thanks for the advice guys. I will say I feel confident when it comes to dealing with Orks seeing how i have 12 S6 AP6 shots with a range of 36" and heavy flamers. I also feel like I have to many vehicles for most 1000 point armies to deal with.

As for troops I think 3 seems like a lot at 1000. I have seen a few lists with 3, but most guys seem to use 2 at the most and go for more killy units.

My real question is on how to use Vendettas. I mean they don't ever really benefit from cover, they can move really fast, and they have a lot of guns. I am not used to fielding a model like this, and this seems a little out of my comfort zone. I am afraid I will lose them first turn to a Long Fang squad or Lootas and waist their points.

How should I field them? How do you guys feel about keeping them in reserve?



I start mine on the board, move them 6" at least, until something kills them. If they are drawing attention, then something
else is moving/shooting. Keep in mind the reason people get Manticores and Hydras is due to they add long rang AT that can
fill the gap if the Vendettas go down. Redundancy is one advantage of the IG army. Most things are cheap enough to take more
than 1 or 2 of.

I don't use my Vendettas as transports. They are gunships that are there to kill only. If you load up with Meltavets or a CCS, it goes
down and they've removed close and long range AT in one shot. I keep my CCS and Vets in Chimeras to pose a different threat. I don't
use platoons, but I could see a SWS being the only exception.

I really think you're pushing it with 3 troops at 1k. I think it's important to remember they're IG. If you look at them mean enough they might run.
Cough on one they might die.

And remember, these are my views, YMMV. Have fun and do whatever you want.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896460.page GMT Re:Imperial Guard Strategies I was originally going to post initially for Imperial Guard Strategies - Step one don't get out of your vehicles, an exposed imperial guard is a dead imperial guard...

In all seriousness, I would consider a manticore or Leman russes, hell a squadron of LR punishers would deal out a ton of shots, which will slaughter hordes like Nids and Orks.
Cheers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896485.page GMT Re:Imperial Guard Strategies
Eiluj The Farseer wrote:Vendettas are ridiculously cheap. You can start them on the board and scout move, they can even move full out on this move, giving them a cover save if you go second. Otherwise start them in reserve and outflank them. With you command squad take the master of the fleet, this should help your units arrive at good times. They will likely get shot at, but that is because they are good units and will draw a lot of fire, but if they dropped off their payload and killed a unit or vehicle, then they did their job.
I was originally going to post initially for Imperial Guard Strategies - Step one don't get out of your vehicles, an exposed imperial guard is a dead imperial guard...

In all seriousness, I would consider a manticore or Leman russes, hell a squadron of LR punishers would deal out a ton of shots, which will slaughter hordes like Nids and Orks.
Cheers


If you Outflank with the Vendettas, you lose a turn of firing with 3 TL lascannons.

And no disrespect intended, but Punishers suck. There are much better
choices. It's too many points and too short ranged. 1-3 str 10/ap 4 pie plates from
a Manticore are a great example of points better spent, IMHO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896496.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies The Chimeras wont keep them alive? That is my hope here, that the AV 12 will keep them on the board.

I am going for a theme here, so the models I have are what I am looking for. I am more inquiring as to how to use this army, and how often I should expect to lose.

My community is mostly Space Wolf players, but I already know I can beat them. It is the DE, BA, Ork BW Biker spam, and Tau players I am worried about... And this is a very different army than I am used to.

Did not know Flat Out worked with Scouts, I am about to abuse that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896511.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
Dr.Dakka wrote:@alarmingrick
The Chimeras wont keep them alive? That is my hope here, that the AV 12 will keep them on the board.

I am going for a theme here, so the models I have are what I am looking for. I am more inquiring as to how to use this army, and how often I should expect to lose.

My community is mostly Space Wolf players, but I already know I can beat them. It is the DE, BA, Ork BW Biker spam, and Tau players I am worried about... And this is a very different army than I am used to.

Did not know Flat Out worked with Scouts, I am about to abuse that.


These: "DE, BA, Ork BW Biker spam" would all hate a pair of Hydras with a passion.
And the pair only costs 150 points to field.

As for what you have:

CCS - 145
4 Plasma.
Chimera ML/HF

Vet Sqd 1-3 - 465
3 Melta

3 Chimera ML/HF

Vendetta - 390
Sqd 1-3

Comes to exactly 1k. I switched the CCS' Melta for Plasma. I think you'll need it(and probably more)
to help with the BA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896559.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896559.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies

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To those that did help thank you for the advice. I will say though I think it is odd that most people confuse tactics with list design... Tactics are how you use your models, not which ones you bring.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896571.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies AT, and Valks with rocket pods is the same cost. The rocket pods are S4 large blast, and moving 12" you can fire a multilas and two pie plates. I've found that AMAZING at tearing up Ork mobs and Tyranid Gaunts (the little guys, Gaunts, right?) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896775.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896827.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
I did not ask for list advice, I even specifically said this is what i have, how can I use it...


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A user above suggested Scout moving the Vendetta flat out to benefit from a 4+ cover save if I go second. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896842.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies


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Only deepstrike them in as they then can;t shoot their lascannons as well.
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Dr.Dakka wrote:
Is this good or bad, and what can I do with it to combat Orks and BA Razorback spam?


Now, that being said, Vendettas are huge and high in the air. You will likely never get cover with them. They also move very slowly if you want to use more than one shot each. Moving fast, you are paying for three weapons when you can only use one. Since moving slowly with such a high value target that won't get cover is suicide, you can assign them a life expectancy of one round of shooting. Starting them on the table and scout moving flat out, you can get into position turn 1 for killing a priority target. This best used against IG tank squadrons, IG artillery groups, and Land Raiders: things that have a use early on AND late game. If you outflank with them, you will get side shots on something late game. It's especially good for laying down a short wall of fire late game. I also would not squad them. Firing all nine shots at any single target is usually a complete waste, plus if out flanking you will (probably) have them coming in from different table edges if not squaded.

You're simply screwed with hoards. Best I can suggest is keep moving, use that multi-las to kill some every round, and hopefully wear them down enough that you can flamer/tank shock them away. For Nids focus on the synapse creatures, so you can turn the hoards away easy.

The multi-las and meltas are good for MC and up to medium vehicles.

DE can bring in one skiff, blow a transport, and and the passengers in the skiff will shoot your now rideless vets. This can be done on a deep strike, and the only way to really defend from it is positioning well.

.....Can vets take Chimeras? I didn't think they could.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896915.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
So you would suggest outflanking?

How do you mean positioning well?

A single Chimera above can adverage about 4-5 kills on a hord unit with a save of 4+ or worse. With the others helping (and they would be) i can kill anywhere from 9-12 more in a single turn. That gives us 13-17 kills on a hord unit on adverage. And that is not bad, especially since I will have been picking them off from range prior. I would expect even a 30 boy mob to be leadership 7 or 8 by the time I resort to tank shock.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896949.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
Obviously the vendettas should focus first on targets that can hurt them. That way, if you can eliminate all your opponent's long-range threats, he has to move up into your killing field.

Also if you're going first--this is an old tactic, but might work a couple times at your FLGS if nobody has seen it before--a unit of vets or SWS inside a vendetta can scout move up to 12" from an enemy vehicle or exposed unit, then in turn 1 the vendetta zooms up, the passengers disembark and drop one or more demo charges on your target. It's a suicide run for the squad, and possibly also for the vendetta, but if you can kill something important, it's sometimes worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3896993.page GMT Imperial Guard Strategies
By positioning I mean placement of your units around terrain to deny favorable deep strike locations. It's not always easy (terrain dependent) but if you place close enough together, and cover gaps between terrains and such, you can sometimes dissuade your opponent from deep striking into areas you don't want him to as he's worried about mishaps. Then again, he may just take the gamble and drop in that six inch gape between your rear armour and the table edge.

Hahaha, vet demo charge suicide runs are AMAZING.

With the vendettas mobility, and weapon range, worry less about melta trucks and more about say.... Laser Predators.

Those chimeras will draw a lot of fire. Make good use of cover, and use your smoke when out in the open.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3897312.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3897312.page GMT Re:Imperial Guard Strategies I also gave you some stategy advice.

1)Keep the Vendettas on the table, don't Outflank unless you absolutely have to.
If you do reserve, reserve everything. The Vendettas won't last long on the table by themselves.
Part of making them work starting them on the table is the fact there are other targets for them besides
the Vendettas. Those 4 Chimera are going to be(maybe) screeming towards them as well as 3 Vendetta
bobbing and weaving in your back field.
2)Keep the Vendettas empty.
3)Plasma would be helpful in your list. Yes, meltas will kill BA and all the armies you listed.
Plasma will keep them from getting as close to do it.
4) Scouting flatout will put you close enough to them turn 1, but then what? If you're running them
empty why would you? They can't use their 3 TL lascannons if you do. Makes no strategical sense to me.
5)Adding Hydras/Manticore/LRBT doesn't fall into a strategy really, but you also asked what else to add.
6)Adding more than 3 troop choices seemed like good tactical advice.You're running IG. They aren't SM.
Those Chimera will help, but I commonly call them a metal t-shirt.

Good luck. And have fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3898689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428927/3898689.page GMT