http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/69.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net CC Termies) can get to them with minimal fuss. If you are playing a game where that type of speed isn't really necessary for whatever reason, they could be deployed as bubble wrap or a counter-punch unit to protect an objective or valuable unit. Any thoughts on the validity of this in terms of it being competitive at any level?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898093.page GMT TH/SS Terminators are very tough and a good buy, making them expensive but effective bubble wrap, while Guard blobs get a ton of models on the ground cheaply enough to be worth it. Assault Marines are just MEQ, they don't have the staying power or numbers to make effective bubble wrap.

Now if by "tarpit" and "bubble wrap" you mean a sacrificial unit to take charges or tie an enemy unit up for a turn, you can certainly use Assault Marines to run interference for your other squads. However, this is generally a poor idea because Assault Marines are way too expensive to be used as a sacrificial unit - it would be be better to spend their points in Land Speeders to help shoot the enemy down before they get to assault.

Possible? Yes. Competitive? Definitely not.

Edit: Same deal for Vanguard Vets, only they cost even more for the same staying power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898196.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898196.page GMT SS and the jump pack they are going to cost as much or more than your true hammer unit. In that case, why not buy another hammer?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898214.page GMT
Roboute I can not say I can disagree with anything you said other than If I take a landspeeder (which don't get me wrong the only reason I don't is lack of physical models) to soften up a unit shooting before assault 2 things have happened.
1) I am no longer trying to slow down a specific unit so it can be attacked by my Termies.
2) I am now shooting the squad I am trying to assault and honestly in my experience a player that is trying to avoid cc will take models from the side closest to the assaulting threat, often pushing the squad out of assault range if the shooting was too good.
Again I may be over representing how many armies actually play like that at a competitive level so I guess this leaves me with the question.. How many competitive lists would actually play like this? (Very mobile and evasive that is)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898345.page GMT
If you want a counterassault unit. Then no need to worry as you can have a rhino with a counterattack unit within 8" of whatever your opponent assaults. This is the job of tacticals and I would just stick the points into another tactical squad - or grey hunter - or whatever troop choice. You need troops to control objectives and if you think you are going to need to sacrifice one to an opponents charge, why not just take an extra troop choice?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898627.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3898627.page GMT That sounds logical enough.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3899375.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429091/3899375.page GMT