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				<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1218385p1.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Article</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>In an attempt to address the lingering "Han shot first" controversy, Star Wars creator George Lucas may have only fanned the flames of fandom even more. You see, Lucas says Han Solo never actually fired first in his classic showdown with Greedo. Fans only wanted to think that. So basically it's all your own fault. <br /> <br /> In a chat with The Hollywood Reporter (via /Film), Lucas said, "The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn't. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down." <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm stealing the quote from Cracked: "you will never love a woman as much as this man hates his fans".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>George Lucas wrote:</cite>...but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down." <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Or, just maybe, that he wasn't an idiot.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ dogma]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Mr.Lucas what did we do wrong?  Did we not call you daddy enough?  Did we break eye-contact when you were doing unspeakable things to us with the three prequels?  Please just tell us.... We want your love but all you do is give us Force Unleashed and remakes of those *sob* movies.....]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow. Lucas' stupidity astounds me. Han is a bad-ass outlaw not a murderer and I doubt anyone ever thought of him as anything else.<br /> <br /> And this is the many who's spent the last 15 years ruining the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> for the rest of us...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:23:04]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This just in: George Lucas is out of touch with the fanbase of his films.<br /> <br /> My disdain for him grows each time he complains about people not liking his films and unnecessary editing.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Funny thing is, Lucas kind of has a point.  Han shooting first in the original edit is the only point where the person who starts the violence benefits from it, so on a thematic level the change makes sense.  It's just the final edit requires us to believe that Greedo missed Han from across a table, and that someone so staggeringly incompetent could have gotten the drop on Han in the first place... which basically just makes everyone look bad.<br /> <br /> Lucas, of course, continues to not understand this, because he's rich and successful and owns one of the profitable setting in the world, and so really doesn't need to bother about suffering the ego hit that'd come from admitting he screwed up.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>And this is the many who's spent the last 15 years ruining the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> for the rest of us...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> was pretty ridiculous even when Lucas wasn't involved.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:35:31]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ In terms of pulp fiction the Star Wars Universe is one of the better ones. If you're readying any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> based on a media franchise expecting high literature it's not the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span>'s fault <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>In terms of pulp fiction the Star Wars Universe is one of the better ones. If you're readying any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> based on a media franchise expecting high literature it's not the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span>'s fault <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I’m not asking for high art, I’m asking for a universe where Jedi fetuses can’t force lightning people.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:01:44]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ sebster]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It's okay, George. I stopped listening to you years ago. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:05:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>In terms of pulp fiction the Star Wars Universe is one of the better ones. If you're readying any <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> based on a media franchise expecting high literature it's not the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span>'s fault <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This is an artists' depiction of an actual event in an <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> book.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081002230340/starwars/images/thumb/a/ac/Beldorian_Leia_Duel_TEC.jpg/757px-Beldorian_Leia_Duel_TEC.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ dogma]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Hutt Jedi?  Hell yeah!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:26:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Han shot first because it was the only way to resolve the situation... aside from handing himself over to Jabba to be killed. He may be a smuggler with a heart of gold, but he ain't STUPID.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:52:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If he walked through the bar, and Greedo walks up to him and before he could even say one word Han guns him down....THEN he would have been a cold blooded killer.<br /> <br /> Here are two outlaws meeting in a bar, one getting the drop on the other, in a situation that is basically a future version of the classic Wild West standoff. <br /> <br /> And in any Wild West standoff you want to shoot first, not hope that the other guy misses. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was actually contemplating seeing the Phantom Menace in 3D. <br /> <br /> The possibility of that happening now is approximately 3,720 to 1. <br /> <br /> Why do you want me to hate your films George!?!!??  <img src="/s/i/a/b3ae9cf68ec71745d6b110374d581299.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Who will inherit the franchise when he dies?<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><a href="http://movies.ign.com/articles/121/1218385p1.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Article</a><br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>In an attempt to address the lingering "Han shot first" controversy, Star Wars creator George Lucas may have only fanned the flames of fandom even more. You see, Lucas says Han Solo never actually fired first in his classic showdown with Greedo. Fans only wanted to think that. So basically it's all your own fault. <br /> <br /> In a chat with The Hollywood Reporter (via /Film), Lucas said, "The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn't. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down." <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm stealing the quote from Cracked: "you will never love a woman as much as this man hates his fans".</div></blockquote><br /> <span style="font-size: 24px; line-height: normal;"><br /> LIAR!!!!</span><br /> <br /> I saw the original more times than God. He needs to stick that where the sun, don't shine. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Excellent point. <br /> <br /> I swear to The Great Wiener Dog, I shall never watch a Lucas directed film ever again. In the words of Master Blaster: "EMBARGO!"<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 7px; line-height: normal;">Of course this means nothing, but then again, neither does 99.9999999% of Life. </span>]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:29:03]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ He must REALLY think his 'fans' are as stupid as him...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><br /> I'm stealing the quote from Cracked: "you will never love a woman as much as this man hates his fans".</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Not your quote, I realize, but just to nitpick:  Lucas has no fans.  I personally can not think of a single person I've met who will mourn the man when he is dead.  Star Wars has(had) many fans however.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I swear, you Star Wars fans have the worst case of battered wife syndrome ever.  Lucas's self-interest was on display as far back as 1983, when he chose teddy bears over Sasquatches for merchandizing reasons.  And it's been like that for over 30 years now.  <br /> <br /> And clearly he has some weird obsession with reworking his older films, but I think a bigger factor is how the cash register rings every time he releases a new "edition."  Of course he thinks the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> fans are stupid.  I'd be tempted to feel that way too if people just kept blindly buying the money-grubbing schlock I was pumping out.  If you really think about his career, it's not hard to see how his attitudes have formed. <br /> <br /> Lucas is and was a *great* businessman first and foremost.  Everything else is secondary.   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok, lets clear this up there was never a case where 'Han shot first'.<br /> <br /> Han shot, Greedo didn't fire at all.<br /> <br /> Besides how could be fire first and miss a sitting target at that range with a gun pointed at him.  Pointless witless retcon two brighten up Han Solos rep in Lucas' eyes. <br /> <br /> Besides there is no need to worry about Han Solo being a common murderer, when there is more than enough evidence to call him a terrorist.  He wasn't formally part of the rebel armed forces when he attacked Imperial military assets resulting in the deaths of Imperial citizens.  Sort of defeats the point saying he was defending himself against Greedo (which he was anyway as Greedo pulled a gun on him first) when as an illegal combatant he was blowing away soldiers on the Death Star: aka terrorism.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> Han was more an an insurgent than a terrorist (but that's hard to say as the empire was all encompassing for the galaxy save a few places).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> Han was more an an insurgent than a terrorist (but that's hard to say as the empire was all encompassing for the galaxy save a few places).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If:<br /> <br /> <i>Lucas</i> can qualify <i>killing of civilian persons</i> as <i>murder</i> without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> then by the same logic:<br /> <br /> Han Solo = terrorist.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> In other words: Han was fine as he was whether shooting Greedo or Imperial stormtroopers, no need for a retcon.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Orlanth]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I own an original trilogy on cassette that was the first release of the trilogy, so its from the early 80s (pretty neat if I say so myself) so I get to watch it completely un altered when I want. And Ive watched that scene closely, on slow mo, and Im sorry Mr Lucas, your an idiot. <br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> Also, we know Greedo is a terrible shot <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Orlanth wrote:</cite><i>Lucas</i> can qualify <i>killing of civilian persons</i> as <i>murder</i> without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Except Lucas is an idiot... If the fans didn't have to deal with him I doubt anyone would pay attention to what he has to say XD I wish he'd just get out of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> and let the authors handle it (they can start by killing the 60 year old who has no room left to develop but for some reason is still the center piece of the SWEU because Lucas won't let anyone kill him).]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Never noticed or cared about that scene, but okay george, you win.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Hell, I was a 10 year old kid watching this movie in the theater, and <i>I</i> wanted to go for a gun when I saw who was behind that door.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair, that happened a long time ago.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> To be fair, that happened a long time ago.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Good thing it was far away]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> Han was more an an insurgent than a terrorist (but that's hard to say as the empire was all encompassing for the galaxy save a few places).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's a separate argument.<br /> <br /> The point of the "Han shot first" situation is that as the films progress, his character changes from cold-hearted, selfish bastard to warm-hearted hero. In other words, a story of redemption.<br /> <br /> It is only possible if the character starts from a bad position.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Good thing it was far away</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dude, my aunt, Beru, died in a terrorist attack.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> Han was more an an insurgent than a terrorist (but that's hard to say as the empire was all encompassing for the galaxy save a few places).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Han was a mercenary, who had his desire for money overcome by a desire for ass.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Anyone seen ep1 in 3D yet?<br /> Good/bad/nonsense?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Seeing it on sunday, I think. May possible skip school to see it.<br /> <br /> I saw it when it came out. I think I was like... 4.. or five. Or something. I want to experience Star wars on the big screen a couple more times in my life.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ratius wrote:</cite>Anyone seen ep1 in 3D yet?<br /> Good/bad/nonsense?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Im sure itll be the same thing....but with blaster shots coming at you, instead of missing Luke and hitting walls]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>instead of missing Luke and hitting walls</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Hey. The Storm Troopers trained very hard to achieve that level of precision and accuracy!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:13:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ C c c count me in so!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ratius wrote:</cite>Anyone seen ep1 in 3D yet?<br /> Good/bad/nonsense?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Im sure itll be the same thing....but with blaster shots coming at you, instead of missing Luke and hitting walls</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Generally if it is converted to 3D it will usually be crappy, if it is filmed in 3D it will usually be decent.<br /> Just a cheap gimmick thrown onto the movie to get even more money from it. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Also no Luke yet.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:29:23]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Forgive my ignorance but its gotta be converted 3D right?<br /> <br /> Ep1 was 1998 production, '99 release?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Something like that, so yes. I don't think the current ability to film in 3D existed back then.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Good thing it was far away</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dude, my aunt, Beru, died in a terrorist attack.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I really miss that blue milk.<br /> <br /> I've long since stopped worrying about Lucas and his antics. While I can understand his loathing of internet haters, I will once again point out that I never said a bad word about the man and yet he put that dance break involving Sy Snootles in Jedi. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Good thing it was far away</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dude, my aunt, Beru, died in a terrorist attack.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I saw that on the Holonet.<br /> <br /> Reading about that really <i>burned me up</i>. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Nerivant wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Good thing it was far away</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Dude, my aunt, Beru, died in a terrorist attack.<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I saw that on the Holonet.<br /> <br /> Reading about that really <i>burned me up</i>. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> They deserved it, didn't you see it on that episode of troopers.<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tcoZBDIPDP8?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>instead of missing Luke and hitting walls</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Hey. The Storm Troopers trained very hard to achieve that level of precision and accuracy!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Yea I dont get it personally, in Ep 1-3 they are incredible shots, like a highly trained military force should be. THEN in ep4-6 they are what I was referring too......what happened?<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>n0t_u wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ratius wrote:</cite>Anyone seen ep1 in 3D yet?<br /> Good/bad/nonsense?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Im sure itll be the same thing....but with blaster shots coming at you, instead of missing Luke and hitting walls</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Generally if it is converted to 3D it will usually be crappy, if it is filmed in 3D it will usually be decent.<br /> Just a cheap gimmick thrown onto the movie to get even more money from it. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> Also no Luke yet.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> That was meant as an example.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ "Watching The Phantom Menace in 3D would be like the car actually crashing into your face as opposed to just unfolding before your eyes." - Simon Pegg<br /> <br /> <img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5057/5530147402_39c0cca985.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Andrew1975 wrote:</cite><br /> <br /> They deserved it, didn't you see it on that episode of troopers.<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tcoZBDIPDP8?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Oh god I loled. How much do storm trooper costumes run?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I quite enjoyed the Phantom Menace, it's a bit disjointed being set so far before the other films.  Surely they could have just skipped it and started the first film with Anakin already and adult?<br /> <br /> I find it inoffensive.  Jar Jar Binks is bloody annoying but it's just lightweight stuff, there are specific things I don't like about episodes 2 and 3 though.  None are a patch on the originals though, and I look forward to them in 3D, the bit with the Death Star Trench had better be good!<br /> <br /> I'll be going to see this in 3D, not sure about the other films.  But I might not get another chance to see them on the big screen for some time.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was excited to see the "recent" blu-ray release of the real trilogy, but was highly disappointed to see who they put into the absolute final scene at the end of Jedi...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Kilkrazy wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>I don't think you can qualify attacks against military targets as terrorism without expanding the word so widely that it loses all meaning...<br /> <br /> Han was more an an insurgent than a terrorist (but that's hard to say as the empire was all encompassing for the galaxy save a few places).</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That's a separate argument.<br /> <br /> The point of the "Han shot first" situation is that as the films progress, his character changes from cold-hearted, selfish bastard to warm-hearted hero. In other words, a story of redemption.<br /> <br /> It is only possible if the character starts from a bad position.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Kinda like how Vader redeems his humanity at the end of Jedi, huh?  Silly George manages to put forshadowing into his own movies without realizing (or apparently wanting to).  Thats some mad skills!!!<br /> <br /> Its almost like the man has no understanding of what he did. For all he touted reading Campbell,  he completely missed the idea of a redemptive arc with Solo.  Heck, for a "western in space" to miss the idea of an antihero?  Seriously, he just makes himself sound more and more stupid as time goes on...<br /> <br /> Valete,<br /> <br /> JohnS<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I thought lucas edited that scene so that Vader throws a fork at him first?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm surprised he didn't take away Han's blaster and put a walkie-talkie in there instead.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(436);'>CT</span> GAMER wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I thought lucas edited that scene so that Vader throws a fork at him first?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think he did. Fortunately, Vader missed...   <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> Valete,<br /> <br /> JohnS]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>I'm surprised he didn't take away Han's blaster and put a walkie-talkie in there instead.</div></blockquote><br /> Make it a pair!<br /> <br /> "Hey, i need you to hold this for a minute 'cause-.. I'm going to talk you to death!" <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Maybe Lucas could get a deal with Boost Mobile for a product placement deal.<br /> <br /> <i>*chirp*</i><br /> <br /> "Yo Vader, where you at dawg?"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>Maybe Lucas could get a deal with Boost Mobile for a product placement deal.<br /> <br /> <i>*chirp*</i><br /> <br /> "Yo Vader, where you at dawg?"</div></blockquote><br /> Haha! I can just imagine that too clearly...<br /> <br /> *Imperial Marsh theme out of nowhere followed by the deep Darth Vader voice*<br /> <br /> "Oh... Sorry... That's mine!" <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Samus_aran115 wrote:</cite>Seeing it on sunday, I think. May possible skip school to see it.<br /> <br /> I saw it when it came out. I think I was like... 4.. or five. Or something. I want to experience Star wars on the big screen a couple more times in my life.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I skipped school to see it the first time. We had a crappy theater we lovingly dubbed "the rathole" and were able to get tickets 15 minutes before the first showing <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> Continue the legacy!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ My ring tone is the Imperial March <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>My ring tone is the Imperial March <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(264);'>FTW</span>!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>d-usa wrote:</cite>If he walked through the bar, and Greedo walks up to him and before he could even say one word Han guns him down....THEN he would have been a cold blooded killer.<br /> <br /> Here are two outlaws meeting in a bar, one getting the drop on the other, in a situation that is basically a future version of the classic Wild West standoff. <br /> <br /> And in any Wild West standoff you want to shoot first, not hope that the other guy misses. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The point is that having a scene out of the Wild West doesn't fit with the pulp sensibilities of the rest of the trilogy.  But there's a million and one pulp ways to finish that scene, grabbing the gun, punching Greedo, flinging the table up, and whatever else.  None of which are anywhere near as cool as what happened originally, but more along the lines of what Lucas would probably have done if he could go back and reshoot the scene, instead of just putting some crappy effects over the original footage.<br /> <br /> Now, you, I, and everyone other Star Wars fan will likely say 'don't care if it doesn't quite fit with everything else, Han blowing Greedo away was cool as hell, and so who cares if it doesn't fit with the rest of the theme'.  And that's fine, and a good argument, but there's no point in just not understanding what Lucas is saying.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Orlanth wrote:</cite>Besides there is no need to worry about Han Solo being a common murderer, when there is more than enough evidence to call him a terrorist.  He wasn't formally part of the rebel armed forces when he attacked Imperial military assets resulting in the deaths of Imperial citizens.  Sort of defeats the point saying he was defending himself against Greedo (which he was anyway as Greedo pulled a gun on him first) when as an illegal combatant he was blowing away soldiers on the Death Star: aka terrorism.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> You're applying modern morality, and that approach doesn't apply, and makes no sense.  This is a pulp action series, and the rule is you don't cold bloodedly murder someone.  Even when it makes no sense and only causes a million and one bigger problems down the road.<br /> <br /> And when you point out they were shooting loads of guys on the Death Star, well go back and watch it again, and look who shoots first every single time... it isn't the heroes.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Yea I dont get it personally, in Ep 1-3 they are incredible shots, like a highly trained military force should be. THEN in ep4-6 they are what I was referring too......what happened?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> They only missed when shooting at heroes and ewoks.  Other than that they defeated the guards in the opening scenes of Star Wars, beat the hell out of the Jawas and Luke's family, overran Hoth very quickly, and beat the rebel attack on Endor.<br /> <br /> Missing the heroes all the time makes sense, because they're the heroes and if they don't have plot immunity then you don't have much of a movie series.  Might as well ask why none of those highly trained CIA operatives ever managed to hit Jason Bourne.<br /> <br /> The ewoks... is well, the ewoks.  Ignore that whole ewok thing and Return of the Jedi is a pretty good movie.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sebster wrote:</cite>The point is that having a scene out of the Wild West doesn't fit with the pulp sensibilities of the rest of the trilogy.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I was about to go into a long post about Lucas and his influence by Kurosawa and in turn Kurosawa's influence from Western films... but in weighing the time spent/pay off ratio I think I'll just say...<br /> <br /> I disagree.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Aww cmon <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(408);'>MR</span>, that would of been fun to read]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>I was about to go into a long post about Lucas and his influence by Kurosawa and in turn Kurosawa's influence from Western films... but in weighing the time spent/pay off ratio I think I'll just say...<br /> <br /> I disagree.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The influences of Kurosawa are well documented, but it's a long bow to argue a film is a Western because it was influenced by a guy, who was in turn influenced in the creation of some of his movies by Westerns.<br /> <br /> Really, what you'd have to do is look at what the Western is, and look at how much of that is present in Star Wars.  Conquest of the frontier by civilisation?  Focused around an issue of personal honour?  The duality of the uncivilised gunfighter defending civilisation?  None of that is there.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It doesn't have to be a western to be stylistically influenced by them. <br /> <br /> None of the themes you mention have much to do with "being quick on the draw" tropes from Westerns...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>It doesn't have to be a western to be stylistically influenced by them.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sure, no argument there.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>None of the themes you mention have much to do with "being quick on the draw" tropes from Westerns...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, but that's not the point.  The point is that the quick on the draw trope isn't just a trope, but a key theme of Westerns, that you don't just have to be noble, but tough enough to make it count (which in turn leads to all kinds of issues about the 'man with a gun').  That flies in direct contrast to the theme and rules of pulp action that Star Wars was directly built around, where the man who initiates violence is always weaker, and always defeated.  How many times did Buck Rogers shoot a guy with a gun concealed under the table?<br /> <br /> You might want to argue that Star Wars is more than that, more than just a faithful homage to old movie serials, and I'd agree, and I think maybe George Lucas circa 1979 would agree as well.  George Lucas circa 2012 disagrees, unfortunately.  But just because he's wrong doesn't mean we need to fail to understand his argument.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ His argument has changed over the years.<br /> <br /> I specifically remember interviews where he dismissed people attributing too much depth to the Star Wars films, specifically mentioning that it's "good guys vs. bad guys" in space and using the phrase "white hats."<br /> <br /> I can't cite a source, as it was something I read in the mid-90's. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> There's a whole line of argument to be made that Han Solo shooting first was rebellion against the established "He who shoots first is the bad buy" trope, in order to shake up the movie-going public's perception of what a hero is.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Han shot first just like the FBI had guns in ET. Lucas is a fething hack that likes to sit with his coffee and film everything on a sterilized green set. His best work happened when he had to work under difficult conditions.<br /> <br /> 300 years of war gave Italy the Renaissance. 2000 years of piece gave Sweden the Cuckoo Clock.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Bleak_Fantasy wrote:</cite>Han shot first just like the FBI had guns in ET.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In all fairness Spielberg has apologized for that and undone all those changes.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well maybe he can talk some sense into Lucas and get him to release the original versions for the original trilogy.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Good luck with that man.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I didn't see <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> in the theatre (I was 9 when it came out - we didn't have a local cinema that showed it).<br /> I saw it on video.  About a month before Empire Strikes Back was released.<br /> I saw Empire for the first time on video.<br /> I saw Jedi on the big screen and hated Lucas for the ewoks.<br /> <br /> George didn't rape my childhood - I have no rose-tinted memories of <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> as a child.<br /> The same as Michael Bay did not do it to my Transformers childhood memories - I was into electronics when that cartoon was on tv, and I didn't watch it, so he had no memories to spoil.  All I knew about it was that it was a cartoon that linked to a toy line.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>His argument has changed over the years.<br /> <br /> I specifically remember interviews where he dismissed people attributing too much depth to the Star Wars films, specifically mentioning that it's "good guys vs. bad guys" in space and using the phrase "white hats."<br /> <br /> I can't cite a source, as it was something I read in the mid-90's. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Lucas has changed his mind about everything over the years.  It was a standalone trilogy, until it was part of nine films, until it was just six films.<br /> <br /> That Lucas seems to change his mind and either not realise it, or not acknowledge strikes me as a major part of the problem.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>There's a whole line of argument to be made that Han Solo shooting first was rebellion against the established "He who shoots first is the bad buy" trope, in order to shake up the movie-going public's perception of what a hero is.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, Han shooting first is a cooler resolution to the scene, it makes Han more interesting as a character, and it makes his eventual return to save Luke that much more awesome.  Those things should matter more than fitting with the rules of pulp sci-fi, and it appears they did matter more to Lucas circa 1979 (who'd just been given a two week one on one lesson in storytelling from Franics Ford Coppollat), but unfortunately that isn't the case for Lucas circa 2012.<br /> <br /> I think the point I realised Lucas didn't get it anymore was when I was watching the director's commentary for Attack of the Clones.  In it he mentions that he created the Geonosians as an ugly, insect like race, because people had mentioned that when the rebels blew up the second death star it was full of private contractors - the Geonosians.  This way the rebellion never killed innocent people and isn't that nice.  Except Lucas missed that the death of innocents on board the second Death Star wasn't a problem, it was a thing that fans got to talk about, if they wanted to, to add a level of grit that made the thing more interesting to them.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I like the fact that turning them into an ugly, insect like race instantly makes it okay to kill them en masse.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Fafnir wrote:</cite>I like the fact that turning them into an ugly, insect like race instantly makes it okay to kill them en masse.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, there's also that.  Mind you, that fits with robots being treated as slaves despite demonstrating very high levels of intelligence.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ So Kevin Smith and Clerks is why Attack of The Clones sucked?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sebster wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>His argument has changed over the years.<br /> <br /> I specifically remember interviews where he dismissed people attributing too much depth to the Star Wars films, specifically mentioning that it's "good guys vs. bad guys" in space and using the phrase "white hats."<br /> <br /> I can't cite a source, as it was something I read in the mid-90's. <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Lucas has changed his mind about everything over the years.  It was a standalone trilogy, until it was part of nine films, until it was just six films.<br /> <br /> That Lucas seems to change his mind and either not realise it, or not acknowledge strikes me as a major part of the problem.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Yeah, I'm sure he has an explanation for the flirting/tension between Luke and Leia and how it's not the least bit incestuous and was all part of his master plan.  <br /> <br /> Personally I think the guy is prone to changing his mind a lot, but his ego doesn't allow him to acknowledge it.  I think he wants to see himself as a master visionary, and admitting he made stuff up as he went along somehow damages that self-image.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Arguably the flirting/tension is less evidence of incetuous feelings and more an acknowledgment of an underlying connection. Lucas is fickle but he is capable of planning. Early scripts of the Star Wars movies actually didn't hide Luke and Leia's familial connection. It was revealed much earlier in the storyline. Of course in the final product it feels kind of tacked on and sudden.<br /> <br /> I think originally the relationship was going to be completely removed, because practically it doesn't serve any purpose in the storyline. Events would have happened the same way even if Luke and Leia weren't related and I think there was a camp in the original trilogies team that just wanted to nix the whole thing but bowed to Lucas in the end.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>Arguably the flirting/tension is less evidence of incetuous feelings and more an acknowledgment of an underlying connection.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not sure I buy the line of reasoning that becuase Luke and Leia wanted to get it on was proof that they were related.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>Lucas is fickle but he is capable of planning. Early scripts of the Star Wars movies actually didn't hide Luke and Leia's familial connection. It was revealed much earlier in the storyline. Of course in the final product it feels kind of tacked on and sudden.<br /> <br /> I think originally the relationship was going to be completely removed, because practically it doesn't serve any purpose in the storyline. Events would have happened the same way even if Luke and Leia weren't related and I think there was a camp in the original trilogies team that just wanted to nix the whole thing but bowed to Lucas in the end.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> All the back and forth on what it was supposed to be or what it might have been seems to be more proof that there was little planning and things just sort of changed as they went along and that it was a collaborative effort much more than George coming down from on high with his unerring vision and bestowing it upon us.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>Arguably the flirting/tension is less evidence of incetuous feelings and more an acknowledgment of an underlying connection.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I mean, aside from genetic issues incestuousness is primarily based on an established emotional connection and a taboo.  Not knowing someone is your sibling, or having a sibling relationship, pretty much precludes both.  There is the force, but its not like Luke really knew what he was doing with that at the time.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite><br /> I think originally the relationship was going to be completely removed, because practically it doesn't serve any purpose in the storyline.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Besides being the primary means by which Vader and the Emperor manipulated Luke (at the end), you mean.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The kiss early on in Empire wasn't quite sisterly, and Luke's reaction to said kiss wasn't what most men do when kissed by their sister.  There's a whole triangle thing going on in that hospital room.  So either Lucas had decided by that point but for some inexplicable reason wanted an "ewww" factor to set in later, or he didn't really make up his mind that they were siblings until ROTJ.<br /> <br /> The latter would be fine.  There's nothing wrong with saying "Look, I didn't even know if I'd get a sequel to Star Wars.  So there were a lot of things that changed and evolved along the way."  But Lucas' ego won't let him say that anymore.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>The kiss early on in Empire wasn't quite sisterly, and Luke's reaction to said kiss wasn't what most men do when kissed by their sister.  There's a whole triangle thing going on in that hospital room.  So either Lucas had decided by that point but for some inexplicable reason wanted an "ewww" factor to set in later, or he didn't really make up his mind that they were siblings until ROTJ.<br /> <br /> The latter would be fine.  There's nothing wrong with saying "Look, I didn't even know if I'd get a sequel to Star Wars.  So there were a lot of things that changed and evolved along the way."  But Lucas' ego won't let him say that anymore.  </div></blockquote><br /> Which is odd because a lot of directors seem to pride themselves on how difficult it was for them  to get their film even made...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>The kiss early on in Empire wasn't quite sisterly, and Luke's reaction to said kiss wasn't what most men do when kissed by their sister.  There's a whole triangle thing going on in that hospital room.  So either Lucas had decided by that point but for some inexplicable reason wanted an "ewww" factor to set in later, or he didn't really make up his mind that they were siblings until ROTJ.<br /> <br /> The latter would be fine.  There's nothing wrong with saying "Look, I didn't even know if I'd get a sequel to Star Wars.  So there were a lot of things that changed and evolved along the way."  But Lucas' ego won't let him say that anymore.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> There's a number of ways to read that scene.  I think its a pretty natural take on a pair of young siblings that don't know they're siblings, featuring a woman that isn't openly concerned with romance, at least not with Luke.  Its also possible to read it as Luke not being interested either, but trying to annoy Han.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite>Besides being the primary means by which Vader and the Emperor manipulated Luke (at the end), you mean.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And I'm sure that had that plot point been nixed another pathway existed, which is why I say the sibling relationship isn't that important. It amounts to a few lines in the last 30 minutes of a movie. It's not as integral as Vader being daddy.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>All the back and forth on what it was supposed to be or what it might have been seems to be more proof that there was little planning and things just sort of changed as they went along and that it was a collaborative effort much more than George coming down from on high with his unerring vision and bestowing it upon us. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm not saying Lucas is a master planner or anything, just that some aspects of the series were always there, including Luke and Leia being siblings (hence their names being similar). Ignoring of course that Star Wars went through dozens of drafts and in the very earliest ones Leia wasn't related to the main character (who wasn't Luke) and had numerous siblings.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Bleak_Fantasy wrote:</cite>Han shot first just like the FBI had guns in ET. Lucas is a fething hack that likes to sit with his coffee and film everything on a sterilized green set. His best work happened when he had to work under difficult conditions.<br /> <br /> <b>300 years of war gave Italy the Renaissance. 2000 years of piece gave Sweden the Cuckoo Clock</b>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I like that line, Im saving it somewhere, itll come in handy one day. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span> its peace]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Bleak_Fantasy wrote:</cite>Han shot first just like the FBI had guns in ET. Lucas is a fething hack that likes to sit with his coffee and film everything on a sterilized green set. His best work happened when he had to work under difficult conditions.<br /> <br /> <b>300 years of war gave Italy the Renaissance. 2000 years of piece gave Sweden the Cuckoo Clock</b>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I like that line, Im saving it somewhere, itll come in handy one day. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span> its peace</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> If you like that you'll love where it comes from.<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cydkTy6GmFA?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite><br /> And I'm sure that had that plot point been nixed another pathway existed, which is why I say the sibling relationship isn't that important. It amounts to a few lines in the last 30 minutes of a movie. It's not as integral as Vader being daddy.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It also explicitly establishes why Leia isn't Luke's love interest.  Luke becomes more of a celibate monk if she is a possible partner, and so it changes the character significantly; most importantly making the transition to RTJ Luke less believable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(793);'>IDK</span> if I'd agree with that. In my view Leia was eliminated from that role in TESB when it became apparent it was Han she wanted to be with. Her being his sister had no effect on that side-plot. I'd actually argue it was obvious which way that storyline was going in ANH. The films offered a poor pseudo-love triangle <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>. I think the ending was very predictable.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Monster Rain wrote:</cite>I specifically remember interviews where he dismissed people attributing too much depth to the Star Wars films, specifically mentioning that it's "good guys vs. bad guys" in space and using the phrase "white hats."</div></blockquote>Sounds reasonable. I recall something about TIE-Fighter pilots and Stormtroopers wearing helmets because it made them look more evil than the rebel pilots and soldiers whose faces you could see. Apparently it was some trick Lucas learned from WW2 movies where the German pilots' faces were usually obscured by their oxygen masks and goggles.<br /> <br /> Still, I've always regarded Han shooting first as a character trait setting him apart from the "true-white" characters. He's been through a lot. He's a criminal, a scoundrel. Scoundrels don't have issues with shooting first. He does have a soft spot as is shown later, but this one only gets "awakened" after meeting Leia - even though he tries to attribute his comeback to the reward. But it's clear that there is some character progression going on there. Han shooting second simply takes away a bit of that progression.<br /> <br /> The Expanded Universe later ... uh ... expanded on the Empire vs Rebellion conflict by inserting more grey zones, especially regarding bad rebels (including actual terrorists) or good Imperials (<a href="http://images.tfaw.com/common/salestools/previews/swonemp36/swonemp36p3.jpg" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Lieutenant Sunber</a>, for example). It doesn't contradict anything shown on-screen, but of course it's a whole different tone when put into perspective.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Samus_aran115 wrote:</cite>Oh god I loled. How much do storm trooper costumes run?</div></blockquote>As far as I know, about 1-2k, depending on the quality you're aiming for.<br /> <br /> But if you thought that was cool, wait until you see IMPS:<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OdSpHwbWVTY?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Uh... Is that Optimus Prime @.@]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>Uh... Is that Optimus Prime @.@</div></blockquote>Yes. Yes it is.  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite><span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(793);'>IDK</span> if I'd agree with that. In my view Leia was eliminated from that role in TESB when it became apparent it was Han she wanted to be with. Her being his sister had no effect on that side-plot. I'd actually argue it was obvious which way that storyline was going in ANH. The films offered a poor pseudo-love triangle <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>imo</span>. I think the ending was very predictable.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It certainly did from Luke's perspective.  Love triangles are marked by the presence of at least one fickle participant.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Bleak_Fantasy wrote:</cite>So Kevin Smith and Clerks is why Attack of The Clones sucked?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Lucas's response to that scene in Clerks shows how Lucas doesn't understand his own creation, or what fans love about it.  If someone has made a hit movie with a famous scene talking about insane fan created detail in your own movie, don't work to undermine the point made in that scene, embrace it instead.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>Yeah, I'm sure he has an explanation for the flirting/tension between Luke and Leia and how it's not the least bit incestuous and was all part of his master plan.  <br /> <br /> Personally I think the guy is prone to changing his mind a lot, but his ego doesn't allow him to acknowledge it.  I think he wants to see himself as a master visionary, and admitting he made stuff up as he went along somehow damages that self-image.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Pretty much.  Thing is, if you read the early stories that Lucas wrote over and over again, refining it each time, you can see the process of development, from horribly clunky cheesefest The Adventures of Luke Starkiller to the much more refined Star Wars.<br /> <br /> I don't know why Lucas wants to pretend that process never took place, and that the films existed ready made in his mind, just waiting to be recorded onto the screen.  I suspect his ego doesn't want to admit how much his ideas were refined and improved by other creative minds, from Coppola to Irving Kirshner.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>Arguably the flirting/tension is less evidence of incetuous feelings and more an acknowledgment of an underlying connection. Lucas is fickle but he is capable of planning. Early scripts of the Star Wars movies actually didn't hide Luke and Leia's familial connection. It was revealed much earlier in the storyline. Of course in the final product it feels kind of tacked on and sudden.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That plotline came and went from early drafts of the story.  It was pretty clearly absent from the final shooting run of Star Wars - seriously, any director not trying to make incest a theme in his story just wouldn't have those two acting like they did, if he thought he was going to reveal that relationship later in the movies.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>I think originally the relationship was going to be completely removed, because practically it doesn't serve any purpose in the storyline. Events would have happened the same way even if Luke and Leia weren't related and I think there was a camp in the original trilogies team that just wanted to nix the whole thing but bowed to Lucas in the end.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> That relationship was key to the battle for Luke's soul in Return of the Jedi.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>I like that line, Im saving it somewhere, itll come in handy one day. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span> its peace</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It is, unfortunately, not true.<br /> <br /> Switzerland became neutral because constant war had all but wiped out the male population.  Far from stopping it's men from fighting, they merely became the most highly sought after mercenaries in Europe, the Swiss halberdiers were famous as an unbeatable infantry block, until German landsknecht directly copied the Swiss method of war.<br /> <br /> Switzerland was also an essential element of the Renaissance.  You know how it's famous for all those banks?  That's because of it's place in the Renaissance.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why Can't Lucas say anything without being Scrutinised? He's allowed to have unpopular opinions.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Of course he's bloody allowed to have unpopular opinions, as much as we're allowed to comment on them.<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/813fd55ae283423385e2697b5fbde8c7.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What he really needed, was to get off his ass, and get OUTSIDE and get dirty, and direct that way. The vast majority of his movies, when he actually DID that, were really, really good movies.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Respectfully, since Star Wars, I've found the only good movies he's made were the ones he DIDN'T direct. <br /> <br /> Lucas should stick with running a special effects company, and leave directing to directors. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sebster wrote:</cite><span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>Yeah, I'm sure he has an explanation for the flirting/tension between Luke and Leia and how it's not the least bit incestuous and was all part of his master plan.  <br /> <br /> Personally I think the guy is prone to changing his mind a lot, but his ego doesn't allow him to acknowledge it.  I think he wants to see himself as a master visionary, and admitting he made stuff up as he went along somehow damages that self-image.  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Pretty much.  Thing is, if you read the early stories that Lucas wrote over and over again, refining it each time, you can see the process of development, from horribly clunky cheesefest The Adventures of Luke Starkiller to the much more refined Star Wars.<br /> <br /> I don't know why Lucas wants to pretend that process never took place, and that the films existed ready made in his mind, just waiting to be recorded onto the screen.  I suspect his ego doesn't want to admit how much his ideas were refined and improved by other creative minds, from Coppola to Irving Kirshner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Although I wonder if he'd talk at length about it if you just asked him on the right day.<br /> <br /> Figure that when he's feeling particularly egomanical, he talks about Joseph Campbell and how Star Wars taps deeply into classic myth and various archetypes.  When he's feeling defensive, he reverses course and wants us to think that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> is just silly kid's stuff that the fans take too seriously.  When he's feeling obsessive...well, he's now superserious about it again and back in the lab changing something else about the series.  George's reality shifts quite a bit from day to day...as witnessed by "Greedo always shot first." <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>That plotline came and went from early drafts of the story.  It was pretty clearly absent from the final shooting run of Star Wars - seriously, any director not trying to make incest a theme in his story just wouldn't have those two acting like they did, if he thought he was going to reveal that relationship later in the movies. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> And while not canon, the storylines in the comics and novels like Splinter of the Mind's Eye almost certainly had to get authorized by George.  If he knew about the sibling relationship all along, wouldn't he have put the kibosh on the romantic stuff given how creepy it would later become?  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Respectfully, since Star Wars, I've found the only good movies he's made were the ones he DIDN'T direct. <br /> <br /> Lucas should stick with running a special effects company, and leave directing to directors. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> You know, I might be confusing him being part of those movies, with him directing them. So yea....................................]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>sebster wrote:</cite>Pretty much.  Thing is, if you read the early stories that Lucas wrote over and over again, refining it each time, you can see the process of development, from horribly clunky cheesefest The Adventures of Luke Starkiller to the much more refined Star Wars.<br /> I don't know why Lucas wants to pretend that process never took place, and that the films existed ready made in his mind, just waiting to be recorded onto the screen.</div></blockquote>Actually, doesn't the whole development process only "validate" Lucas' attempts at continueing the same trend, at least in his eyes? His only mistake is doing so <i>after</i> the movies were already released, which will of course anger the people who prefer continuity in their stories.<br /> As far as I'm aware, he never denied that it took place, either, quite the contrary. How would people even know of the early versions of the story if he did not tell them?<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>And while not canon, the storylines in the comics and novels like Splinter of the Mind's Eye almost certainly had to get authorized by George.</div></blockquote>Welllll... <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> stories actually are canon, for unlike <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, Star Wars does have an according policy (explained <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon" target="_new" rel="nofollow">here</a>) - it's just that Lucas still reserves the right to simply overrule it when doing his stuff, and by his own admittance he doesn't know a lot about what is going on in the Expanded Universe. So I suppose it depends on whether you want to look at the movies alone or Star Wars in its entirety.<br /> <br /> "Splinter in the Minds Eye" actually did involve a lot of guidance from Lucas, and - which may come as a surprise for the people who think they are a Prequel invention - midichlorians were being talked about even back then.<br /> <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#Origins" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#Origins</a><br /> <br /> We can only assume that the issue of personal relationship between the characters was discussed during these meetings as well.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Respectfully, since Star Wars, I've found the only good movies he's made were the ones he DIDN'T direct. <br /> <br /> Lucas should stick with running a special effects company, and leave directing to directors. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> You know, I might be confusing him being part of those movies, with him directing them. So yea....................................</div></blockquote><br /> A New Hope was directed by Lucas (although reports at the time is that the studio and actors were able to push him around quite a bit to change things)<br /> The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner<br /> Return of the Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand<br /> <br /> Lucas directed all 3 prequels without as much editing from the studio/actors (because he was a big name, rather than just a struggling director like he was in A New Hope)<br /> <br /> <br /> The simple fact of the matter is that Lucas is a not a good director.  He did an amazing job of coming up with characters and a setting.  And, he does great special effects work.  But, the movie-making itself is much better when he stays away from it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Indeed. No more prequels. Ever. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lucas will invent a new number that will fit between 3 and 4 just so he can  make more monniez <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> <br /> The first one is for you RobotLol <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> **NOTE NSFW***<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkCJDkG3fg&feature=relmfu" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkCJDkG3fg&feature=relmfu</a><br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZnsOZsA7_4&feature=relmfu" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZnsOZsA7_4&feature=relmfu</a><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>Lucas will invent a new number that will fit between 3 and 4 just so he can  make more monniez <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> <br /> The first one is for you RobotLol <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> **NOTE NSFW***<br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hUkCJDkG3fg?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EZnsOZsA7_4?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/><br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Oh dear Matt ward!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Change the tubes to links <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>Change the tubes to links <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> Whaaaa?<br /> <br /> <br /> -  <img src="/s/i/a/9462a899d0ebdd7c3e25f259108a2daa.gif" border="0"> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ As in the youtube links to links to youtube <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> What on earth did you think I ment? <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>As in the youtube links to links to youtube <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> <br /> What on earth did you think I ment? <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ....sewage tubes?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Fair point, now who wants a jaffa cake <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>Fair point, now who wants a jaffa cake <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I prefer pringles  <img src="/s/i/a/b3ae9cf68ec71745d6b110374d581299.gif" border="0"> <br /> <br /> PRINGLESSS!!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Grakmar wrote:</cite><br /> A New Hope was directed by Lucas (although reports at the time is that the studio and actors were able to push him around quite a bit to change things)<br /> The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner<br /> Return of the Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> How much more entertaining would ROTJ have been if directed by David Lynch like Lucas originally wanted?   <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Lucas directed all 3 prequels without as much editing from the studio/actors (because he was a big name, rather than just a struggling director like he was in A New Hope)<br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(70);'>IIRC</span>, Lucas (being a jillionaire) financed the prequels on his own.  So there was really no one with the authority to say "Umm, George?  About this dialogue..."<br /> <br /> While studio meddling seems to be a complaint you hear from some directors, I think occasionally that outside viewpoint can actually help a film.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>, Peter Jackson's King Kong is another good example of what can happen when a director gets a blank check and no studio interference.  <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>While studio meddling seems to be a complaint you hear from some directors, I think occasionally that outside viewpoint can actually help a film.  <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(72);'>IMO</span>, Peter Jackson's King Kong is another good example of what can happen when a director gets a blank check and no studio interference.  <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> Agreed.  Studios can often times interfere with the creative process.  However, having a competent editor (a studio executive in this case) helps insure that the artist's vision doesn't get the best of him.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Grakmar wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite>Respectfully, since Star Wars, I've found the only good movies he's made were the ones he DIDN'T direct. <br /> <br /> Lucas should stick with running a special effects company, and leave directing to directors. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> You know, I might be confusing him being part of those movies, with him directing them. So yea....................................</div></blockquote><br /> A New Hope was directed by Lucas (although reports at the time is that the studio and actors were able to push him around quite a bit to change things)<br /> The Empire Strikes Back was directed by Irvin Kershner<br /> Return of the Jedi was directed by Richard Marquand<br /> <br /> Lucas directed all 3 prequels without as much editing from the studio/actors (because he was a big name, rather than just a struggling director like he was in A New Hope)<br /> <br /> <br /> The simple fact of the matter is that Lucas is a not a good director.  He did an amazing job of coming up with characters and a setting.  And, he does great special effects work.  But, the movie-making itself is much better when he stays away from it.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span> I wasnt talking about StarWars Lucas movies.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sorry, but what movie after Star Wars that he directed would be considered good? <br /> <br /> Previously:<br /> THX: its decent, sort of. <br /> American Graffiti. Its quite good but I thought Hollywood Knights was substantially better. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I was talking about THX and American Graffiti <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(325);'>TBH</span>. Were we talking about movies he did after? I was just talking about in general. And personally, I prefer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> to Hollywood Knights, its a good movie dont get me wrong, its just a preference thing]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>And personally, I prefer <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(160);'>AG</span> to Hollywood Knights, its a good movie dont get me wrong, its just a preference thing</div></blockquote><br /> Sorry, but you're wrong. WHIPPY STICK FIGHT HAVE <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> YOU! <img src="/s/i/a/9576fdd015edbd19edbaabd1556a4944.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Finally a use for those <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(505);'>AOBR</span> measure sticks <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Well according to Wiki<br /> <br /> American Graffiti box office sales were $140,000,000<br /> Hollywood Knights made around $10,000,000 State side<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> So I win by numbers alone, EN GARDE!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I really wanted to like Red Tails, but the I read about the acting and dialogue, crazy editing and stereotypical "bad guy" Germans. Blech. Keep it Lucas. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>WHIPPY STICK FIGHT HAVE <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(482);'>AT</span> YOU!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Mwahahaha]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Harlem Nights &gt; Hollywood Knights]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Ok wow, robot your quote is all kinds of jacked up, it was FRAZZ that started the whippy stick fight not me.....<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Im a dink you said Harlem knights <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. Did that have Richard Greico?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Ok wow, robot your quote is all kinds of jacked up, it was FRAZZ that started the whippy stick fight not me.....<br /> <br /> <br /> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Weird..]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea, I <i>tried</i> saying that with a quote of what you quoted, but no matter what I did, EVERYTHING was in quotes and all kinds of F'ed up <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Yea, I <i>tried</i> saying that with a quote of what you quoted, but no matter what I did, EVERYTHING was in quotes and all kinds of F'ed up <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/3280d57d913d8178fb42a55db16d1e89.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">  <img src="/s/i/a/053f30f6773034eb25223d86f0e00d8d.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Ok wow, robot your quote is all kinds of jacked up, it was FRAZZ that started the whippy stick fight not me.....<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Im a dink you said Harlem knights <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. Did that have Richard Greico?</div></blockquote><br /> Careful, my whippy sticks are wielded by angry smelly wiener dogs. Poor reach but they go right for the cojones. I know. I KNOW!!!!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Pff those dogs are easily foiled by my sticky handed children horde! Ill just turn them loose, with 3 suckers and a bag full of sugar, those dogs wont know what hit em. But theyll know soon enough, as they wont ever come apart again <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Pff those dogs are easily foiled by my sticky handed children horde! Ill just turn them loose, with 3 suckers and a bag full of sugar, those dogs wont know what hit em. But theyll know soon enough, as they wont ever come apart again <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> Pitiful human, sticky fingers are but a temporary delay. Once the wieners have licked every last molecule of food goodness from their fingers, your children horde will be turned against you in a wall of kids and wiener breath. Your doom is nigh!]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:18:56]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Im a dink you said Harlem knights <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. Did that have Richard Greico?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No, Harlem Nights.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y_OKmpD5zzc/TEH7CMHgl8I/AAAAAAAAAUA/o5w7QvaAG_I/s1600/harlem+nights.jpg" border="0" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>Although I wonder if he'd talk at length about it if you just asked him on the right day.<br /> <br /> Figure that when he's feeling particularly egomanical, he talks about Joseph Campbell and how Star Wars taps deeply into classic myth and various archetypes.  When he's feeling defensive, he reverses course and wants us to think that <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(124);'>SW</span> is just silly kid's stuff that the fans take too seriously.  When he's feeling obsessive...well, he's now superserious about it again and back in the lab changing something else about the series.  George's reality shifts quite a bit from day to day...as witnessed by "Greedo always shot first." </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Fair point.  I've never seen him spend time acknowledging other people's contributions to Star Wars though, and as I understand some of other people are kind of bitter about it.<br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>And while not canon, the storylines in the comics and novels like Splinter of the Mind's Eye almost certainly had to get authorized by George.  If he knew about the sibling relationship all along, wouldn't he have put the kibosh on the romantic stuff given how creepy it would later become?  </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I think it's a thing that he wanted as part of the story some times, while at other times it wasn't.  That's kind of how art works, ideas make sense as part of the story in one iteration, and in others they don't.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Lynata wrote:</cite>Actually, doesn't the whole development process only "validate" Lucas' attempts at continueing the same trend, at least in his eyes? His only mistake is doing so <i>after</i> the movies were already released, which will of course anger the people who prefer continuity in their stories.<br /> As far as I'm aware, he never denied that it took place, either, quite the contrary. How would people even know of the early versions of the story if he did not tell them?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The thing is that Lucas seems to believe there is one perfect, unchanging story of Star Wars in his head, and everything else has just been him trying to get that onto the screen.<br /> <br /> <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>And while not canon, the storylines in the comics and novels like Splinter of the Mind's Eye almost certainly had to get authorized by George.</div></blockquote>Welllll... <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> stories actually are canon, for unlike <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span>, Star Wars does have an according policy (explained <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon" target="_new" rel="nofollow">here</a>) - it's just that Lucas still reserves the right to simply overrule it when doing his stuff, and by his own admittance he doesn't know a lot about what is going on in the Expanded Universe. So I suppose it depends on whether you want to look at the movies alone or Star Wars in its entirety.<br /> <br /> <blockquote class="uncited"><div>"Splinter in the Minds Eye" actually did involve a lot of guidance from Lucas, and - which may come as a surprise for the people who think they are a Prequel invention - midichlorians were being talked about even back then.<br /> <a href="http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#Origins" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Midi-chlorian#Origins</a></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> In some early drafts the Force was even more convoluted mess of silliness.  I've posted an early version of the speech Obi Wan gives before on this site, where he goes into all kinds of nonsense about the history of the Jedi and Sith families, and how the light side and the dark side had different names, and compared it to the final version given by Alec Guiness, which is such genius in it's simplicity.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>Grakmar wrote:</cite>A New Hope was directed by Lucas (although reports at the time is that the studio and actors were able to push him around quite a bit to change things)</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Lucas remained very distant from his actors during Star Wars though, most of the coaching of the actors was left to his assistant director, while Lucas focussed on various elements of production.  It's why he naturally took a step back for ESB, and stayed away from the camera, working on ideas, scripts and technical aspects right up until TPM, when for some reason he forgot he'd never been one to coach actors.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="font-size: 9px; line-height: normal;">Automatically Appended Next Post:</span><br /> <blockquote><div><cite>gorgon wrote:</cite>How much more entertaining would ROTJ have been if directed by David Lynch like Lucas originally wanted?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It would have been Dune.  So, not very cool at all <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Careful, my whippy sticks are wielded by angry smelly wiener dogs.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure that's illegal in Texas.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>dogma wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><br /> Careful, my whippy sticks are wielded by angry smelly wiener dogs.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure that's illegal in Texas.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Well, the law is a "flexible" concept.  <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Frazzled wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Pff those dogs are easily foiled by my sticky handed children horde! Ill just turn them loose, with 3 suckers and a bag full of sugar, those dogs wont know what hit em. But theyll know soon enough, as they wont ever come apart again <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> Pitiful human, sticky fingers are but a temporary delay. Once the wieners have licked every last molecule of food goodness from their fingers, your children horde will be turned against you in a wall of kids and wiener breath. Your doom is nigh!</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> This would make amazing dialog for my upcoming film.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ahtman wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite>Im a dink you said Harlem knights <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>lol</span>. Did that have Richard Greico?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> No, Harlem Nights.<br /> <br /> <img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Y_OKmpD5zzc/TEH7CMHgl8I/AAAAAAAAAUA/o5w7QvaAG_I/s1600/harlem+nights.jpg" border="0" /></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> Yea that movie is hilarious. <br /> <br /> *bunch of machinegun fire*<br /> Pop*handgun*<br /> *bunch of machinegun fire*<br /> pop *handgun*<br /> *bunch of machinegun fire*<br /> pop*handgun*<br /> WOULD YOU STOP THAT!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Great point there, never considered that <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0">]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Henners91 wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Thanatos_elNyx wrote:</cite>I hope no one pointed out that Han shot first when they meet [an apparently unarmed] Darth Vader who had invited them to a nice dinner.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Great point there, never considered that <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"></div></blockquote><br /> <br /> What away to treat your host! *tut tut tut*]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>Lucas will invent a new number that will fit between 3 and 4 just so he can  make more monniez <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The sad thing is, he kind of did. Though not between 3 and 4, there is now a Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie taking place between 2 and 3, followed by an animated TV show...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Locclo wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Ribon Fox wrote:</cite>Lucas will invent a new number that will fit between 3 and 4 just so he can  make more monniez <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The sad thing is, he kind of did. Though not between 3 and 4, there is now a Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie taking place between 2 and 3, followed by an animated TV show...</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> they keep making episodes too.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And fans hate the episodes because they're pretty much tearing the entire Clone Wars <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> into pieces.<br /> <br /> Although I suppose I can at least be happy that the series finally got rid of Karen Travis... But then she went to writing Halo books and I died a little on the inside...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(84);'>Lol</span>@Greedo missing point blank. Oh yeah that was sure some expert bountyhunter.<br /> <br /> As for George Lucas and Star Wars, I shall quote a wise man who once said "THIS DEAL KEEPS GETTING WORSE ALL THE TIME".]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>LordofHats wrote:</cite>And fans hate the episodes because they're pretty much tearing the entire Clone Wars <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> into pieces.</div></blockquote>It's not as bad as the internet rage makes it sound like. The only strong contradictions I noticed were that they made Ryloth a normal off-the-rack desert planet instead of the storm-ravaged hellhole that has people huddle up in equatorial caverns, as well as turning the Zygerrians from space elves into furries.<br /> <br /> Aside from that ... well, most of the rage is aimed at how the series is portraying the Mandalorians, but the funny thing is that it was Traviss who fethed up first, as the peaceful government era was already mentioned before the first Republic Commando novel was released.<br /> <br /> I for one like that the Clone Wars series actually does a better job at connecting to the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> than Lucas' prequels themselves. Like having Y-Wings, Z-95s, and a ton of other stuff you'd expect in this era but that never shows up in the movies.<br /> <br /> <iframe type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/9A9C1S1QCGU?autoplay=0&origin=http://www.dakkadakka.com&fs=1" frameborder="0"></iframe><br/>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Wow that looks...stupid. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I think the 3D animation has come pretty far, actually.<br /> <br /> What did you expect - lifelike realism like in a multimillion dollar movie a la Final Fantasy or Avatar?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="uncited"><div>Aside from that ... well, most of the rage is aimed at how the series is portraying the Mandalorians, but the funny thing is that it was Traviss who fethed up first, as the peaceful government era was already mentioned before the first Republic Commando novel was released. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> It doesn't shock me that she wrote books with absolutely no consideration for  what the rest of the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> was doing. Its kind of her <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(616);'>MO</span>. A lot of the older SWEU fans left when Sacrifice was released, so there are fewer people around now he remember just how much she messed things up. Her first couple of years as a writer was nothing but screwing other authors.<br /> <br /> But there is a lot being messed up by the series. The Battle of Mon Calamari for example is very different in the series than in the original <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(731);'>EU</span> material. Asaj Ventress' storyline has likewise been messed up quite a bit in terms of chronology. <br /> <br /> However I do really like some of the series episodes. The 4-parter in Season 4 that mostly centered around Rex and the Clones was a very good bit of Television for me, and my favorite episode is probably Rookies all the way back in season 1. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:14:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Lynata wrote:</cite>I think the 3D animation has come pretty far, actually.<br /> <br /> What did you expect - lifelike realism like in a multimillion dollar movie a la Final Fantasy or Avatar?</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> The usual. <br /> plot <br /> writing<br /> acting<br /> special effects that weren't a rehash of the craptacular first three films<br /> <br /> And my personal peeve, less about the  <img src="/s/i/a/7ae18ba11c7ba79f6898e876a4b8ba4a.gif" border="0">ing  jedi already. <br /> <br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:18:05]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ That's actually a big complaint about the series Fraz. Back before it launched there was a lot of talk about it focusing more on the Clones and other stories that didn't include Anakin Skywalker/Obi Wan/That annoying Togruta no one gives a damn about. However the series as it turned out isn't like that and some people got really peeved. I think they were hoping for a show that followed the Clone Wars comic series, which is less Jedi centric and a fairly decent comic series.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:20:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>KingCracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>Bleak_Fantasy wrote:</cite>Han shot first just like the FBI had guns in ET. Lucas is a fething hack that likes to sit with his coffee and film everything on a sterilized green set. His best work happened when he had to work under difficult conditions.<br /> <br /> <b>300 years of war gave Italy the Renaissance. 2000 years of piece gave Sweden the Cuckoo Clock</b>.</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I like that line, Im saving it somewhere, itll come in handy one day. <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(40);'>FYI</span> its peace</div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Firstly, Sweden and Denmark are the world record holders of greatest amount of wars fought between any two nations, so not 2000 years of peace.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, <b><i><u><font color='red'><span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;"> SWIZERLAND</span></font></u></i></b> makes cukoo clocks. Sure, I'd heard about the silly people who confuse Swizerland and Sweden, but I only thought it was an urban myth...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Thu, 16 Feb 2012 20:42:34]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>AlmightyWalrus wrote:</cite>Secondly, <b><i><u><font color='red'><span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;"> SWIZERLAND</span></font></u></i></b> makes cukoo clocks. Sure, I'd heard about the silly people who confuse Swizerland and Sweden, but I only thought it was an urban myth...</div></blockquote><br /> Yeah, everyone knows Sweden is an incredibly cold country with lots of mountains that wasn't a major participant in either World War, and is known for being technologically advanced, fairly wealthy, and having beautiful women.  Whereas Switzerland...<br /> <br /> Okay, I give up.  What's the difference?<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Cheese.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Are you sure just cheese? I heard someone mention cukoo clock. They make those right? <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>AlmightyWalrus wrote:</cite>Secondly, <b><i><u><font color='red'><span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;"> SWIZERLAND</span></font></u></i></b> makes cukoo clocks. Sure, I'd heard about the silly people who confuse Swizerland and Sweden, but I only thought it was an urban myth...</div></blockquote>Actually cuckoo clocks are Austrian. You know, where the kangaroos come from. <img src="/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif" border="0"><br /> <br /> What I hate most about new Star Wars is the music. You hear the music and your child brain takes over making you think it's going to be good. But it never is.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You know what, your right! I never realized that until you said it. All I hear is *da daDADADAA dum da DADADAA <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(25);'>DA</span> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!"<br /> And I start getting all googly eyed, and then strict disappointment ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:17:58]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Grakmar wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><cite>AlmightyWalrus wrote:</cite>Secondly, <b><i><u><font color='red'><span style="font-size: 18px; line-height: normal;"> SWIZERLAND</span></font></u></i></b> makes cukoo clocks. Sure, I'd heard about the silly people who confuse Swizerland and Sweden, but I only thought it was an urban myth...</div></blockquote><br /> Yeah, everyone knows Sweden is an incredibly cold country with lots of mountains that wasn't a major participant in either World War, and is known for being technologically advanced, fairly wealthy, and having beautiful women.  Whereas Switzerland...<br /> <br /> Okay, I give up.  What's the difference?<br /> <br />  <img src="/s/i/a/39ea8e0dbfb45dcc6b802cd0e198dba3.gif" border="0"> </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Sweden doesn't have lots of mountains. There's your difference! <img src="/s/i/a/baf5f2e54c6b17d5c5d39aecadfa1272.gif" border="0"> ]]></description>
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