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				<description><![CDATA[ I was recommended shields for my black orcs here. 4+ shooting save plus a third melee combat option sounds interesting enough.  My problem is that first Black orcs dont get many shields, four in a pack of ten; secondly black orcs dont rank up easily without shields, with is gonna be difficult.<br /> <br /> So what to do?<br /> <br /> Options include:<br /> <br /> <b>The Enchanted Drum</b><br /> My Black orc musician has a magic drum that adds +1 save at the cost of 1pt per black orc in the unit.<br /> <br /> <b>Gots what the boss's got.</b><br /> Model the unit champion and standard bearer with shield, now they all have them.  As its only the command.<br /> <br /> <b>Fiat</b><br /> They got shields ok.<br /> <br /> <b>Glue shields on.</b><br /> And number all the bases and pray I they all fit.<br /> <br /> <b>Dont bother.</b><br /> Its all a waste of points because.....<br /> <br /> <br /> I am not interested in a poll, I prefer actual posted answers, <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(111);'>raw</span> volume of opinion doesnt count much <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(71);'>IMHO</span>.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:57:19]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Orlanth]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I use shields against shooty armies but against armies like <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(385);'>WoC</span> I don't go with shields. I hope that answers one of your questions.<br /> <br /> About the shields on models - don't worry about it. Every Black Orc are equipped with two choppas and a great choppa yet you only see one option on each model. <img src="/s/i/a/c944477abc92c1c101da485e07ff06d8.gif" border="0"> But if it really bothers you I would probably use the regular Orc Boyz shields and put them on their back.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:02:08]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tjyven]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It doesn't bother me, it might bother opponents.<br /> <br /> Can you see any reason to use shields in melee when you have two choppa or great weapon.  Most opponents would require one or the other, normally the great weapon.<br /> <br /> If shields are not really needed at all in melee then the Enchanted Drum  +unit pts sounds best to me.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:23:36]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Orlanth]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Actually, yeah. Sometimes I even use shields and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> in combat. There are times when i'm up against a lot of enemies and I want the Black Orcs to survive as long as possible so that my Night Goblins can attack the enemy unit in the rear or flank. Heck, sometimes I even use shield and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> against Skaven slaves just to make sure that I won't lose that many expensive Black Orcs to 2pt trash.<br /> <br /> But really, don't worry about the shields. No one will point it out. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:30:53]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Tjyven]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote><div><cite>Muppas wrote:</cite>Actually, yeah. Sometimes I even use shields and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> in combat. There are times when i'm up against a lot of enemies and I want the Black Orcs to survive as long as possible so that my Night Goblins can attack the enemy unit in the rear or flank. Heck, sometimes I even use shield and <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(59);'>HW</span> against Skaven clanrats just to make sure that I won't lose that many expensive Black Orcs to 2pt trash.<br /> <br /> But really, don't worry about the shields. No one will point it out. </div></blockquote><br /> <br /> Your Avatar frightens and confuses me.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:43:07]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ TheRobotLol]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I agree you're probably pretty safe from <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(127);'>TFG</span> bothering you about the lack of actual shield models. Fit whatever ones you can and don't worry about the rest. ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:06:13]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Malleus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I usually mix it up. Some actually holding shields and some have them on their back -  examples can be seen in my gallery. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:27:25]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Gorbad]]></author>
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				<title>Re:Counts as shields</title>
				<description><![CDATA[ My local group and gaming buddies have a simple agreement that issues like this are presented prior to the game.  If you need a "counts as" condition it's no prob as long as you have paid for it on the list.  No-one likes playing with a tight@$$, it dtracts from the whole game.  Just my 2 cents.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:30:06]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Cpt Horatius]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Just get basic orc shields and slap them on the back of the Blorc]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:48:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ Johnny-Crass]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I saw a unit where shields where put on the bases, and the orcs where standing on them.  <br /> The guy said that they just dropped the shield to pull out that extra choppa/great weapon.  Don't worry, they will pick them back up if you shoot at them.<br /> <br /> -Matt]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Sat, 11 Feb 2012 09:45:39]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ HawaiiMatt]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You might try just gluingf the sheilds on their backs so they would be out of the way... did that with some of my saurus<br /> ]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 13 Feb 2012 02:51:41]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ caledoneus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Dont worry so much about <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(150);'>wysiwyg</span>, just identify the unit to your opponent to let him know what is going on.  Put shields on some but dont be too worried about it.  <br /> <br /> However I am not saying full on proxies are fine (a goblin is not a giant) but dont feel so uptight about that kind of thing in fantasy as many players get in the <span class="glossaryitem" onmouseover='gp(3);'>40k</span> community.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:36:29]]> GMT</pubDate>
				<author><![CDATA[ praetorian_aak]]></author>
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